That ball to the near post? Anyone?

When we get a corner it feels like a chance for our opposition. I’d have massive respect for our set piece coach if we kick our next corner out for a throw-in next to the corner flag.

what_no_pies wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:18 pm

That ball to the near post? Anyone?

I think those corners Tresor took were not planned, just p!ss poor corners. On pitches like we see today all players should be able to consistently whip a decent corner in as it’s like taking one on your living room carpet.
Not like taking one up the Prairie or Lower Towneley in the old days!

I have noticed the set piece coach come out in to the Technical area to watch the corners and VK sits down. I think VK might want to watch one or two of them to feed back to the Set Piece coach and ask him what it is he has actually asked them to do, and drop this zonal marking at the other end.

I had this debate on the way home from Brentford. Do we have anyone who can take them ?

Full backs - Likely wanted to cover defensively.

Centre Halves - In the middle

Berge - Height

Cullen - need to cover

Amdouni/Foster - Want to attack

Tresor/Odebert therefore the only options. Are either actually profocient at corner taking ?

The corners on Saturday were shocking from Tresor. I thought he was meant to be a dead ball specialist when we signed him. Brownhill did get a decent one over when Tresor had gone off. However, in the PL, who have we got who could get his head on a decent corner. We were spoiled with Westwood or McNeil delivering, and Wood, Tarks and Mee challenging. Can honestly say our corners under the old regime were infinitely better than now we had a set piece specialist. Unbelievable Geoff

Bring back Westwood as a corner coach

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:14 am

The corners on Saturday were shocking from Tresor. I thought he was meant to be a dead ball specialist when we signed him. Brownhill did get a decent one over when Tresor had gone off. However, in the PL, who have we got who could get his head on a decent corner. We were spoiled with Westwood or McNeil delivering, and Wood, Tarks and Mee challenging. Can honestly say our corners under the old regime were infinitely better than now we had a set piece specialist. Unbelievable Geoff

Shocking is putting it mildly. We don’t have many candidates who can put a big slapping forehead on a corner like the three you mentioned above. However, if we have a corner taker capable of dropping corners between the six yard box and penalty spot it will ask questions of opposing defences and maybe someone like O Shea or Ekdal when fit or selected can get on the end of them.

Given our lack of height and no rule saying you have to kick it aimlessly into the box from the corner I wish we’d be a bit more inventive.

Same with free kicks outside the box where again it seems to be you have to shoot no matter what.

Any professional footballer should be able to take a decent corner.

JBG is our best. Benson is okay. Anass should be Okay as well. If none playing I'd try Cullin. Brownhill never.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:42 am

Given our lack of height and no rule saying you have to kick it aimlessly into the box from the corner I wish we’d be a bit more inventive.

Same with free kicks outside the box where again it seems to be you have to shoot no matter what.

Agree 100% with this.
There’s no variation at al, other than “kick somewhere towards the 6yrd box”

Use to love seeing the Elliot/step over/low shot routine which caught teams out.

Obviously need to use sparingly but we’ve got to make the opposition think about what me might do

If I was one of our far too many wingers, I'd be practising corners taking all the time to give me something extra to say pick me.

Our corners have been very poor for quite a while.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:49 am

I think those corners Tresor took were not planned, just p!ss poor corners. On pitches like we see today all players should be able to consistently whip a decent corner in as it’s like taking one on your living room carpet.
Not like taking one up the Prairie or Lower Towneley in the old days!

We've favoured going to nobody at the near post all season. I think they are planned but we're creating nothing from them.

what_no_pies wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:12 am

We've favoured going to nobody at the near post all season. I think they are planned but we're creating nothing from them.

If those on Saturday were planned then we should be firing the set piece coach.

I think we’re trying to be too clever with them. I know we’re not the biggest team, but without wishing to sound too Mike Bassett, when we did get it into the mixer ( possibly the Spurs game) it caused some problems.

When our corners are an advantage to the defending team - the coach needs to find the door and quickly.

We look toothless on corners/set pieces in both boxes at the moment.

I still cannot fathom what the on earth this set piece specialist coach is actually bringing to the party? We have absolutely appalling from set pieces since the first game and he's either completely out of his depth, or the players are ignoring him. Whatever it is, it needs to change because it quite clear he is having a negative effect, not even a neutral effect!

The feeling I had about the squad, the club and the coaching staff as I left the ground after the final game of last season has completely evaporated. It's a crying shame because we had so much momentum, so much that was positive and now we've completely regressed. We seem to have signed players because 'they became available' as opposed to being required and have left ourselves woefully short of experience defensively. Even that 'you'll never win anything with kids' team still had the spine of Schmeichel, Bruce and Pallister - with the likes of Irwin, Cantona and Keane thrown in for good measure.

Before anyone says anything, I'm not comparing our squad to the Manchester United squad of the mid-90's either

It's not just corners is it, all our set pieces are poor. Watching the Villa/Hammers game yesterday I thought that Villa had some good set pieces that had obviously been worked on, not all of them were successful but at least they were trying something different.

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:39 am

It's not just corners is it, all our set pieces are poor. Watching the Villa/Hammers game yesterday I thought that Villa had some good set pieces that had obviously been worked on, not all of them were successful but at least they were trying something different.

Conroy-was just about to say exactly the same thing. The "long haired" set piece coach at Villa was chuckling all game, after every corner, and was playing them back on his lap-top saying to the man next to me "look that was down to me". It had West Ham thinking whats coming next

When I looked across from the corner to the box, on Saturday, there was a sea of tall red and white and if I looked closely, some smaller C&B in amongst it.

The inevitable clearance happened.

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:55 am

Conroy-was just about to say exactly the same thing. The "long haired" set piece coach at Villa was chuckling all game, after every corner, and was playing them back on his lap-top saying to the man next to me "look that was down to me". It had West Ham thinking whats coming next

That’s the fella that looks like Rick Wakeman isn’t it? He also works for Steve Clarke on Scotland duty. It’s quite depressing when we get a corner knowing nothing is going to come of it. In fact it’s perhaps a good time to nip out for a quick slash.

Four words

Bring back Ben Mee

ClaretAndBlue94 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:09 am

I had this debate on the way home from Brentford. Do we have anyone who can take them ?

Full backs - Likely wanted to cover defensively.

Centre Halves - In the middle

Berge - Height

Cullen - need to cover

Amdouni/Foster - Want to attack

Tresor/Odebert therefore the only options. Are either actually profocient at corner taking ?

There's always Brownhill

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:56 am

When I looked across from the corner to the box, on Saturday, there was a sea of tall red and white and if I looked closely, some smaller C&B in amongst it.

The inevitable clearance happened.

Exactly this.......it's pointless putting it into the mixer, we have a team of midgets.

Just as it's pointless Trafford rolling it out to a defender who is marked, who then passes it to another defender who is marked, who then passes it back to Trafford .....who then hoofs it to the opposing team, who then bear down on our goal.
This process is repeated until the opposition score......Awful stuff.