Kompany: time to go

[brexit]

I’d be amazed if Kompany didn’t sanction all signings. And rightly so. I’m not one who believes in the DoF model.

If such an algorithm did exist - which it might - that it’d have been developed by MUD analytics, Kompany’s company. So he’d be as bought in as anyone.

I can see why ALK would be drawn in to the allure of that, but I think they’ll all (Kompany included) be reflecting on this and realising that it needed supplementing with experienced players. Leaders.

I just hope if we come back up again our leadership will recruit differently.

Agreed. I wonder if our financial wizards chester perry and paul waine can shed any light on this

[NewClaret]

Agreed. I wonder if our financial wizards chester perry and paul waine can shed any light on this

I think the recent “incoming” funds provide me some potentially false hope that actually behind our seemingly crazily naive transfer business theres actually some cash that’ll allow us to keep hold of our new players if we go down.

If that’s true I think we’ll be okay because I think we have acquired some amazing talent and look hugely stronger than when we last went down.

The issue is we don’t have the experience and strength in the core of the squad to complement it.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Derby after ten games in that season:

6 points. Minus 17 goal difference.

Yikes

We are a honking side but there’s no way we’ll have get a points tally lower than Derby.

[ksrclaret]

I think the recent “incoming” funds provide me some potentially false hope that actually behind our seemingly crazily naive transfer business theres actually some cash that’ll allow us to keep hold of our new players if we go down.

If that’s true I think we’ll be okay because I think we have acquired some amazing talent and look hugely stronger than when we last went down.

The issue is we don’t have the experience and strength in the core of the squad to complement it.

And if we come back up we’ll be playing against teams that have still spent more money than us, so we’ll come straight back down again, no?

[Rick_Muller]

Kompany must stay. He is integral to our success. We need to support him and the players to find what is missing.

We’ve had such a crap start to the season fixture wise, and had key players out injured for games we wanted to get something from like today, so much bad luck.

I agree the performance today wasn’t great, but we scored first and had other chances with a weakened team.

Patience is needed now more that ever.

[northeastclaret]

The sad thing regarding his mistakes ,is that he is not learning from them, so he repeats them every week. Brilliant managers don’t do that.

The other worrying thing about his other mistakes, the ones he made in the transfer window cannot be rectified.

The brilliant manager we thought he was wouldn’t have done or continuing to make those mistakes

Sadly that combination means we are going down.

It’s now looking like he is going to be consigned to the list of brilliant players becoming much less brilliant managers such as Gerard, Lampard and Rooney.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Don’t you think he can actually change? Also wouldn’t you want hik to bring us back up?

[Jakubclaret]

Kompany must stay. He is integral to our success. We need to support him and the players to find what is missing.

We’ve had such a crap start to the season fixture wise, and had key players out injured for games we wanted to get something from like today, so much bad luck.

I agree the performance today wasn’t great, but we scored first and had other chances with a weakened team.

Patience is needed now more that ever.

It’s starting to become an habitual theme every week the same old excuses trotted out about patience & learning. The PL is not the right environment for experimental learning exercises & hard luck stories. The reality is (if we want to stop in this division) Vincent has to leave & take a gamble elsewhere. The club shouldn’t be used as some of a tuitional school for the individual career advancement as an overall detriment.

[northeastclaret]

Don’t you think he can actually change? Also wouldn’t you want hik to bring us back up?

Sadly there is no evidence that he is learning or will change. I don’t recall him saying he has even made a mistake himself this season ? Correct me if I am wrong?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

The utter turds on this thread.

[northeastclaret]

Don’t you think he can actually change? Also wouldn’t you want hik to bring us back up?

If the season remains as miserable as this to the end, no fans will want him to stay next season.

[NewClaret]

And if we come back up we’ll be playing against teams that have still spent more money than us, so we’ll come straight back down again, no?

Possibly.

Let’s be realistic, we’re always going to be in the bottom 25% of this league, so if we’re in it, we’re always going to be making up the numbers and losing a good proportion of our games.

Where I have some hope is that having had a year in the PL, I’d like to think Kompany would better prepare us for a return whilst in the Championship. Simple examples would be I thought our passing was way too slow last year and I also think we need to be more direct on occasions at this level (esp dead balls). I’d hope he’d make us better on all those.

Unless that cash really has come from Middle East as rumoured, of course

[KlyBfc]

Firstly I want him to stay, secondly I think to a degree he tried to address some mistakes made today. However he has to be much more clinical in his thought process, selection and tactics.

We are NOT getting better, if we were i could live with the defeats knowing / hoping that improvement on the points tally was round the corner. But it’s not the case. We have sub standard players and so need to find a way of playing that give us a fighting chance. We also need to find a team and stick to it. Too much chopping and changing is making us more and more disjointed.

I don’t back any of the recruitment group (im sure its not just VK) to improve us sufficiently in January and so he’s got to start managing like he played (winners/fighting mentality).

[Hedontplayforyou]

If the season remains as miserable as this to the end, no fans will want him to stay next season.

I would want him there given that most of the signings have come to play for him if we are honest and not lured by Burnley alone.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

6 pages of mostly idiots. Sad to see.

[Newcastleclaret93]

6 pages of mostly idiots. Sad to see.

Yep that’s it call anyone that disagrees with you derogatory names.

[ksrclaret]

Yep that’s it call anyone that disagrees with you derogatory names.

Bit rich as well when you see what he’s posting on the Trafford thread

It’s fine to call people shite etc as long as it’s directed at the ‘right’ people, apparently

[Newcastleclaret93]

Bit rich as well when you see what he’s posting on the Trafford thread

It’s fine to call people shite etc as long as it’s directed at the ‘right’ people, apparently

Yep, he was making up stories on another thread as well before the mods deleted his posts.

[BillyIngham'sShorts]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but where VK has made a mistake (possibly encouraged by Pace)is to stock pile a load of mediocre players (by premier standards), when we should have broken the bank to start with the team that got us up, with a 2 or3 quality signings. matsen would probably not have come whatever we offered but should have made sure we got Tella and thb. Then play muric and players who earned the right. Instead he has taken a huge gamble with a bunch of players who have never done it in premiership. We have 31 squad players and vast majority are not good enough. The signings don’t make any sense from what I have seen . We have been unlucky with injuries to key players..benson, zakoury and beyer but why have we for example bought tresore but shipped twine out. I don’t think tactics will help much, the players don’t look stroke enough. Hope I’m wrong.

[NewClaret]

If the season remains as miserable as this to the end, no fans will want him to stay next season.

Disagree with this. I think most realise:

- he joined us at a very low moment in our history, post relegation and facing in to a huge overhaul.
- transformed our style and gave us a 101 point season, beating rovers twice and winning the league at Ewood.
- the step up is huge.
- he’s still a young manager learning his trade.

He deserves time.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Disagree with this. I think most realise:

- he joined us at a very low moment in our history, post relegation and facing in to a huge overhaul.
- transformed our style and gave us a 101 point season, beating rovers twice and winning the league at Ewood.
- the step up is huge.
- he’s still a young manager learning his trade.

He deserves time.

I think you’re incredibly naive there Newclaret. If we keep losing like this there’s no way the majority will want him to stay.

[NewClaret]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but where VK has made a mistake (possibly encouraged by Pace)is to stock pile a load of mediocre players (by premier standards), when we should have broken the bank to start with the team that got us up, with a 2 or3 quality signings. matsen would probably not have come whatever we offered but should have made sure we got Tella and thb. Then play muric and players who earned the right. Instead he has taken a huge gamble with a bunch of players who have never done it in premiership. We have 31 squad players and vast majority are not good enough. The signings don’t make any sense from what I have seen . We have been unlucky with injuries to key players..benson, zakoury and beyer but why have we for example bought tresore but shipped twine out. I don’t think tactics will help much, the players don’t look stroke enough. Hope I’m wrong.

Think you are wrong about THB, Tella and Maatsen. Reasons being:

- THB was slow and not particularly commanding in my opinion.
- Tella scored lots but mainly against the weaker teams (12 came vs bottom half teams I think). He’s not scoring regularly in the Bundesliga (a league Weghorst can score in!) despite being in a team at the top of the league.
- Maatsen is a cracking player but very suspect defensively where he’d be asked a lot more questions this season.

I don’t think they significantly improve the team we have today.

I’d agree that fewer signings with more experience and strength may have served us better (none of the above players are more experienced or stronger though).

[NewClaret]

I think you’re incredibly naive there Newclaret. If we keep losing like this there’s no way the majority will want him to stay.

I don’t think this message board or social media in general represents the average match going fan Newcastle.

I’ve just counted up and there’s 17 logged in and 119 guests. Vs 16,500 season ticket holders.

I can tell you 100% categorically that the conversations I hear on the terraces don’t reflect what I hear on here. They’re much more balanced, pragmatic and sensible.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don’t think this message board or social media in general represents the average match going fan Newcastle.

I’ve just counted up and there’s 17 logged in and 119 guests. Vs 16,500 season ticket holders.

I can tell you 100% categorically that the conversations I hear on the terraces don’t reflect what I hear on here. They’re much more balanced, pragmatic and sensible.

This is ten games in, you’re saying that the majority will be happy with VK staying if we lose like this all season?

There’s absolutely no chance he’s here regardless but fans will turn 100%. People are paying hundreds of pounds if not thousands to support us this season, there no way they will be happy watching this dross all season.

[Jakubclaret]

Disagree with this. I think most realise:

- he joined us at a very low moment in our history, post relegation and facing in to a huge overhaul.
- transformed our style and gave us a 101 point season, beating rovers twice and winning the league at Ewood.
- the step up is huge.
- he’s still a young manager learning his trade.

He deserves time.

He didn't come over on a charity expedition the opportunity offered presented itself to make a proper managerial footprint & with the squad & money available in a really weak league he would have heavily backed himself. He did exceptionally well but he wasn't turning water into wine. It wasn't that low of a moment in terms of him risking much of a managerial reputation because he never had 1 to really start with.

[Raconteur]

I don’t think this message board or social media in general represents the average match going fan Newcastle.

I’ve just counted up and there’s 17 logged in and 119 guests. Vs 16,500 season ticket holders.

I can tell you 100% categorically that the conversations I hear on the terraces don’t reflect what I hear on here. They’re much more balanced, pragmatic and sensible.

I have just got back from Bournemouth and i totally agree. Don't get me wrong, some of us were a bit down beat but nothing like that characters on here.

[bumba]

I have just got back from Bournemouth and i totally agree. Don't get me wrong, some of us were a bit down beat but nothing like that characters on here.

Wait for the coke to wear off those fans and let them watch the highlights

[ksrclaret]

Wait for the coke to wear off those fans and let them watch the highlights

[NewClaret]

This is ten games in, you’re saying that the majority will be happy with VK staying if we lose like this all season?

There’s absolutely no chance he’s here regardless but fans will turn 100%. People are paying hundreds of pounds if not thousands to support us this season, there no way they will be happy watching this dross all season.

I know you don’t go to many/any games mate but I can tell you for certain that the atmosphere in the ground is not reflected by what you see on here and social media.

You basically get about 100 regular posters on here. A tiny % of the fan base.

We’re the mouthy ones that think our opinion is so important others want to hear it. The noisy minority.

But frankly if our fans can’t remember what happened when we afforded Dyche some time to develop the team and his own management ability, they’re not really worth listening to anyway.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I know you don’t go to many/any games mate but I can tell you for certain that the atmosphere in the ground is not reflected by what you see on here and social media.

You basically get about 100 regular posters on here. A tiny % of the fan base.

We’re the mouthy ones that think our opinion is so important others want to hear it. The noisy minority.

But frankly our fans can’t remember what happened when we afforded Dyche some time to develop the team and his own management ability, they’re not really worth listening to anyway.

I’ve been to half the games this season and I have not had that experience.

I also think the ground emptying at 70 mins most weeks is a good indicator as well

[Raconteur]

Wait for the coke to wear off those fans and let them watch the highlights

I will leave that to you. No cocaine taking, it was families and they don't need to see the highlights, they were there in the flesh watching a poor performance.

They supported the team and Dyche in his first season in the Premier league when we got relegated and they will do the same with the team and Kompany. Why throw everything in the bin at the first sign of trouble.

[bumba]

I will leave that to you. No cocaine taking, it was families and they don't need to see the highlights, they were there in the flesh watching a poor performance.

They supported the team and Dyche in his first season in the Premier league when we got relegated and they will do the same with the team and Kompany. Why throw everything in the bin at the first sign of trouble.

It's the 8th out of 10 bin bags mate

[NewClaret]

I’ve been to half the games this season and I have not had that experience.

I also think the ground emptying at 70 mins most weeks is a good indicator as well

Which games have you been on?

[Nonayforever]

I don't want Kompany to go.
Last season was a breath of fresh air.
Pre season was brilliant, the game against Benfica was thrilling. I thought, after watching those games that we would be mid table with a couple more solid signings ( Townsend ) unfortunately, that's when the mistakes started to appear.
Loads more young players rather than solid pro's. The mistakes just seem to carry on, as though he is too proud to admit them.
I hope it's not too far down the line to address his mistakes and become the promising manager that he undoubtedly is.

[KRBFC]

The sad thing regarding his mistakes ,is that he is not learning from them, so he repeats them every week. Brilliant managers don’t do that.
.

I disagree, he changed it today and went with a more solid 3 in midfield, even brought back Anass. We are now no longer passing from the goalkeeper, Trafford is hitting it long.

[bumba]

I disagree, he changed it today and went with a more solid 3 in midfield, even brought back Anass. We are now no longer passing from the goalkeeper, Trafford is hitting it long.

Really??
He went with the same 4 3 3 with Cullen holding and fully exposing our entire defence, you didn't see that?

[KRBFC]

Really??
He went with the same 4 3 3 with Cullen holding and fully exposing our entire defence, you didn't see that?

He took out Amdouni and Berge and replaced them with Gudmundsson (who has played that CM role many times under him) and Brownhill.

[jojomk1]

He took out Amdouni and Berge and replaced them with Gudmundsson (who has played that CM role many times under him) and Brownhill.

I must have been watching another game
I'm sure Amdouni started the match

Whether Kompany goes or stays there will be very little difference to our results sequence with the central midfield options we have at this moment in time

Cullen, Brownhill, JBG, Berge, Ramsey and the invisible Cork

[Anthonini]

Yep that’s it call anyone that disagrees with you derogatory names.

Well he's not wrong is he?
Asking for the manager's head after getting robbed of a draw against a team worth 100m more than us.


The mere fact we stayed in the game and deserved a draw is a good thing.

Start getting realistic instead of expecting us to win or dominate against these teams. Financially only Luton and Sheffield have a weaker squad than us. So the draw against Nottingham was already a surprise. We even beat them in the cup. Then we got robbed a few times I feel we could have gotten more than what we deserved.

Everything is realistic so far. We can't start inventing nonsense like with muric and Maatsen we would have done this or that. No it doesn't work like that. We would still have a hard time beating better teams. Simple as that.


Sad to see how some fans want to see the manager gone after he brought us here in the first place. Things were looking really bad for Burnley.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Well he's not wrong is he?
Asking for the manager's head after getting robbed of a draw against a team worth 100m more than us.


The mere fact we stayed in the game and deserved a draw is a good thing.

Start getting realistic instead of expecting us to win or dominate against these teams. Financially only Luton and Sheffield have a weaker squad than us. So the draw against Nottingham was already a surprise. We even beat them in the cup. Then we got robbed a few times I feel we could have gotten more than what we deserved.

Everything is realistic so far. We can't start inventing nonsense like with muric and Maatsen we would have done this or that. No it doesn't work like that. We would still have a hard time beating better teams. Simple as that.


Sad to see how some fans want to see the manager gone after he brought us here in the first place. Things were looking really bad for Burnley.

What a ridiculous post. It’s not unrealistic for fans to expect to get something from sides like Bournemouth.

[LoveCurryPies]

SOME FANS ARE SPINELESS!

[Anthonini]

It's not in the sense of having an objective, but it is if you're going to start crying after losing against a team that's just ahead of us in terms of development.

Like I said only Luton and Sheffield should be certain wins. All the rest is optional. Of course we go in trying to win every game but be a bit reasonable if it doesn't happen.

[scamander]

This isn't just about Kompany, it's about how the club is perceived and what it says to the wider footballing world.

Sacking a manager after having significant success and then giving him the war chest makes the club look foolish. To give some context it's made worse because we are where we expected to be - in a dogfight.

I kept quiet last season because I didn't want to be seens as 'that guy'. But we did well in a very, very poor Championship. We often relied on worldies to win a match and often conceded. The former are always going to be less frequent in the Prem and the latter made me realise just how tough it would be. Just to expand on this consider how high our possession % was, yet teams with 30% possession could often snag a goal. I found that worrying.

As ever with promoted teams it can be easy to get drunk on expectation. When I spoke to a mate at the beginning of the season (Brighton fan). I said we'd be carved open at points but what we could hope for are 3 worse teams than us. Luton and Sheff Utd are obvious candidates, let's hope we can find a 3rd.

As for Kompany, I'm unsure who would come in and do much better given the lopsided squad. Let's get behind him and hope he can find a way because he I don't doubt his commitment to keeping us up. Teams in our situation often have managers looking to go, at least (it seems) we don't have that concern.

[Sleeping Cat]

He still has my backing, but he is making a rod for his own back by continuing to set up with a style and system that clearly isn’t working with the players we’ve got against this level of opposition.

[jedi_master]

If we accept that it’s 80/20 likely we are getting relegated regardless of who the manager is (due to the makeup of our squad which Kompany has built in his image) then why would we get rid of a proven Championship winner? This was the basis of my argument when we sacked Dyche as I thought if we went down he was proven in the league below to bring us back.

Now, Pace proved me wrong as he brought someone in who delivered us promotion straight away regardless. If we sack Kompany though, you’re asking him to repeat that trick again consecutively. That is a very tough thing to do - and that’s without considering how this squad would do under anyone else as it’s built for the project Kompany has going on.

We know the league below is LAUGHABLY bad, it truly is - watch any game that isn’t Leicester and you cannot help but cynically smirk at the standard. This team would utterly walk that division, so why worry about Kompany’s position? If we go down, we go down. We would have another season just like last time out and it would be loads of fun as well. Upon promotion we can make sure we make less mistakes in the window than we did this time and have another pop at it.

People saying fans won’t stand for it - yes, we will. The vast, vast majority of MATCH GOING fans are totally patient and willing to look more long term than the reactionaries on here.

[Claretmisterg]

If we accept that it’s 80/20 likely we are getting relegated regardless of who the manager is (due to the makeup of our squad which Kompany has built in his image) then why would we get rid of a proven Championship winner? This was the basis of my argument when we sacked Dyche as I thought if we went down he was proven in the league below to bring us back.

Now, Pace proved me wrong as he brought someone in who delivered us promotion straight away regardless. If we sack Kompany though, you’re asking him to repeat that trick again consecutively. That is a very tough thing to do - and that’s without considering how this squad would do under anyone else as it’s built for the project Kompany has going on.

We know the league below is LAUGHABLY bad, it truly is - watch any game that isn’t Leicester and you cannot help but cynically smirk at the standard. This team would utterly walk that division, so why worry about Kompany’s position? If we go down, we go down. We would have another season just like last time out and it would be loads of fun as well. Upon promotion we can make sure we make less mistakes in the window than we did this time and have another pop at it.

People saying fans won’t stand for it - yes, we will. The vast, vast majority of MATCH GOING fans are totally patient and willing to look more long term than the reactionaries on here.

Spot on. I do not think Pace would consider potting Kompany unless we ended up floundering in the Championship. The main priority under this regime does seem to be developing young talent and I think staying in the Premier League would be seen as a bonus rather than an absolute necessity.

[Spijed]

The one thing that has surprised me is how poor VK has been in installing any fighting spirit into the players.

It's completely on him to give the players belief and the confidence to have a win at all costs mentality and both the management team and players have been totally gutless so far.

I really thought VK was a good leader but to date he's come across as very weak when the chips have been down. A good manager should at least be able to rally the players to battle in every match especially in adversity.

We've sunk without a trace in all but a couple. Something that was rarely lacking under SD.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Apart from Foster we are weak in every single position it's championship at best, the tactics from Kompany are amateurish trying by insisting we pass out all the time and loosing the press game after game, our midfield is terrible and most of the goal's we conced are carbon copy's we give the ball away the counter attack happens and within two to three passes it's in our net, Kompany is learning nothing week in week out.

I'm now dreading Arsenal it could end up 7 or 8 nil

Not playing Benson, Zaroury and not signing Tella has taken so much attack and goals out of our team, signing no defenders and cm is killing us

[beddie]

I’m 100% behind VK. It’s a tough learning kerb for him but we all knew it wouldn’t be easy this season, I’d rather we stick with him. If we go down so be it, we then go again. I just hope Pace and the Board have patience.

[taio]

Apart from Foster we are weak in every single position it's championship at best, the tactics from Kompany are amateurish trying by insisting we pass out all the time and loosing the press game after game, our midfield is terrible and most of the goal's we conced are carbon copy's we give the ball away the counter attack happens and within two to three passes it's in our net, Kompany is learning nothing week in week out.

I'm now dreading Arsenal it could end up 7 or 8 nil

Not playing Benson, Zaroury and not signing Tella has taken so much attack and goals out of our team, signing no defenders and cm is killing us

We signed defenders but unfortunately ones that aren't good enough.