• The handball

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:32 pm**

https://x.com/billyfoulkes/status/17183 ... 84372?s=20

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:33 pm**

I’ve watched that about 5 times and still can’t see a handball? Didn’t berge just head it

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:36 pm**

That should never be handball but based on current rules his arm is up in the air so if its struck his hand it should be a penalty

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:36 pm**

Nowhere near his head. There was another angle that showed he used his arm clearer.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:37 pm**

Watched it over ten times now and I can see Berge heads it on to his arm from less than a yard away.

Surely this can’t be what VK is referring to?

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:37 pm**

If a penalty went against us for that we would be livid

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:40 pm**

Embarrassing from Vincent bringing that up and also banging on about the Forest game.

We were awful and he needs to accept it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:44 pm**

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:40 pm
Embarrassing from Vincent bringing that up and also banging on about the Forest game.

We were awful and he needs to accept it.

What really is embarrassing is having your biggest rivals winning the championship at your ground. Especially when it happens after only a month on your rival's messageboard.

VK brought that feeling to your house. Let it go.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:46 pm**

If he’d anything about him he’d say ‘We’ve been terrible for the last 2 games ,and we’re going to get on the training ground and sort it out instead of making lame excuses.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:49 pm**

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:44 pm
What really is embarrassing is having your biggest rivals winning the championship at your ground. Especially when it happens after only a month on your rival's messageboard.

VK brought that feeling to your house. Let it go.

I suppose that would be terrible. Let’s hope it never happens to us.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:50 pm**

Can't see a handball there.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:51 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:33 pm
I’ve watched that about 5 times and still can’t see a handball? Didn’t berge just head it

Doesn't look like it, must admit though during the game I didn't see it nor did I see our players surround the ref and ask for the VAR check like they should have done

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:01 pm**

Doesn’t touch Berge’s head

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:04 pm**

It’s weak as ****, but should be a penalty by modern standards.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:08 pm**

Came off Berges arm.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:10 pm**

VAR!
I think the only people who should ask for a VAR check are the linos (via the ref if they think they may have made a mistake) and the ref himself.
All this players asking for a check is ruining the game.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:28 pm**

there are some ******* blind people on this thread. That's the contact, nobody else touches the ball

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:40 pm**

As the picture shows it is arm in unnatural position and so should have been checked by VAR. Our team shouldn’t need to surround the ref to tell him, the VAR should have seen it and advised the ref to look at a monitor. The VAR can’t do the job right when checking a goal let alone an incident like the handball at the end. Incompetence again that has cost us again as it did at Forest. That’s up to 3 points that has cost us against our rivals already.

You can argue whether we played well enough to get any points but we need officials to do a better job. Of that there is no doubt. It is also about time that our manager had a whinge about this because Klopp and co are always at it and so if you can’t beat em join em.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:41 pm**

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:44 pm
What really is embarrassing is having your biggest rivals winning the championship at your ground. Especially when it happens after only a month on your rival's messageboard.

VK brought that feeling to your house. Let it go.

You do realise he's not a rovers fan......don't you?

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:49 am**

It is interesting that Vinnie said we got a letter of appoloy after the forrest game concerning the 2 handball decisions there. VAR is poor, it is only as good as the people operating it, which with that being current or ex ref's its not going to get any better.

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:58 am**

Papering over massive cracks

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:09 am**

We were rubbish and deserved to lose.

Doesn't change the fact that should have been a penalty. Not to review it is incredible.

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:35 am**

Just seen it on MOTD. A definite pen, what's his arm doing in that position?
Only positives from yesterday were that we performed much better after going 2-1 behind and created enough moments to snatch a point. Albeit it was against a pretty poor Bournemouth side.

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:40 am**

It's 100% a penalty I've watched it about 30 times now. Berge doesn't head it. It hits the hand in an unnatural position.

We deserve to have about 7 points this season based on our performances (over the Luton, Forest, Man U games - not yesterday). But VAR has cost us. And I'm not surprised in the slightest

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:51 am**

Having watched MOTD this morning, I thought they summarised the incident well with different camera angles too. It's either a handball or a penalty for shirt pulling, his arm is in an unnatural position due to how long he'd been pulling Berges shirt, to simply brush it off after they'd taken so long over the "offside" incident was pathetic imo, but I think they've panicked because of how long that review took

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:00 am**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:28 pm
there are some ******* blind people on this thread. That's the contact, nobody else touches the ball

Probably the same ones that were adamant that Berges goal at Forest ( which we've subsequently had a letter of apology for) should have been ruled out for handball

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:52 am**

ClaretMat wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:35 am
Just seen it on MOTD. A definite pen, what's his arm doing in that position?
Only positives from yesterday were that we performed much better after going 2-1 behind and created enough moments to snatch a point. Albeit it was against a pretty poor Bournemouth side.

The only real reason we played better for the last 10 mins of the game really is because Bournemouth abandoned their press and sat back, which further emphasises the fact that when we are playing around with it at the back and the opposition starts to put pressure on, we fold and go backwards.

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:12 am**

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:00 am
Probably the same ones that were adamant that Berges goal at Forest ( which we've subsequently had a letter of apology for) should have been ruled out for handball

I didn't know we'd had a letter of apology. Despite that I still think it was handball! However the apology should have been for a penalty not given when Foster was held (which lead to his stupid decision to elbow the player in the stomach and get sent off).

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 12:45 pm**

These decisions feel like they affect us disproportionately because teams at the bottom will have a much lower points tally. And getting relegated is surely a much bigger consequence of lost points?
I suppose if you’re going for Europe, a point or two can make all the difference at the top too. But it feels worse at the bottom and yet it sometimes appears as though these incidents get less not more scrutiny compared to the big teams at the top.
I suspect the Berge incident went down as a bit of six of one and half a dozen of the other. In reality a penalty could have been given for both hand ball and shirt pulling.
They’ve actually let fouling in the box get out of hand. Players obstruct, hold players and pull shirts at will without punishment it seems.

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:41 pm**

I can understand onfield missing it as from the behind the goal view, MotD, his hand is wrapped in Berges’ shirt. I can understand VAR not giving it as live I thought Berge headed it.
Sadly he didn’t and it should have been a pen.

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:00 pm**

Belial wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:52 am
The only real reason we played better for the last 10 mins of the game really is because Bournemouth abandoned their press and sat back, which further emphasises the fact that when we are playing around with it at the back and the opposition starts to put pressure on, we fold and go backwards.

That may be the case however we still created two big chances in the last few minutes.
Absolutely no doubt we need to move the ball quicker and at times longer. We are far too easy to play against.

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:24 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:32 pm

https://x.com/billyfoulkes/status/17183 ... 84372?s=20

That is a hand interfering with the trajectory of the ball!
Pen.

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:00 pm**

Mepham is so intent on keeping a grip of the shirt his arm ends up in an unnatural vertical position, and then the ball strikes his hand.

Penalty every day of the week.

As Ian Wright said on MOTD.

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:38 am**

Hipper wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:12 am
I didn't know we'd had a letter of apology. Despite that I still think it was handball! However the apology should have been for a penalty not given when Foster was held (which lead to his stupid decision to elbow the player in the stomach and get sent off).

Especially after today's game that shows how trivial a contact or hold needs to be for it to be a penalty. (At least, if you're Manchester City, that is.)

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:40 am**

This league is a shitshow!

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:54 am**

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:40 am
This league is a shitshow!

perfect description

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:59 am**

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:40 pm
Embarrassing from Vincent bringing that up and also banging on about the Forest game.

We were awful and he needs to accept it.

He was correct to mention it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:31 am**

We've been on the end of some dodgy decisions that's cost us points or affected how a game is going.
Villa at home we'd pulled one back and could have got back in to the game until their third with Watkins stood offside in front of Trafford but not given.
Forest away was a joke.
Man Utd home stone wall penalty denied.
Brentford we could have had a penalty at 0-0.
Bournemouth another penalty.

VAR is a disgrace but then again so are our performances

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:35 am**

Pretty fair and rational post up until your last sentence but obviously there was no way you could post on any thread without tearing into the team.
Saying our teams performances are a “disgrace” is the kind of language you might use if there were players who were very clearly not trying.
VK and the players are obviously making mistakes this season but it’s beyond fickle to give VK and the players the praise they deserved only 6 months ago and now call the team you supposedly support a disgrace.

There are a few fans who just do not deserve the managers and teams we have had in the last 10 years. I can’t imagine what they would be like if they supported Preston, Blackburn, Bolton, Blackpool, and even the likes of Leeds and Notts Forest (2 much bigger clubs who have had far less success than Burnley).

So what if we get relegated ? I’d rather have had last season followed by relegation than the last few years many of these clubs have had.

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:51 am**

The last two performances were ****,the players look clueless as to what formation they are playing,and look to me like they aren't playing for Vinny.Soon as opposition score it's game over

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:59 am**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:35 am
Pretty fair and rational post up until your last sentence but obviously there was no way you could post on any thread without tearing into the team.
Saying our teams performances are a “disgrace” is the kind of language you might use if there were players who were very clearly not trying.
VK and the players are obviously making mistakes this season but it’s beyond fickle to give VK and the players the praise they deserved only 6 months ago and now call the team you supposedly support a disgrace.

There are a few fans who just do not deserve the managers and teams we have had in the last 10 years. I can’t imagine what they would be like if they supported Preston, Blackburn, Bolton, Blackpool, and even the likes of Leeds and Notts Forest (2 much bigger clubs who have had far less success than Burnley).

So what if we get relegated ? I’d rather have had last season followed by relegation than the last few years many of these clubs have had.

10 games in and making more silly mistakes than we started with, we've got worse each game and yes some performances team and individual have been a disgrace, VK since promotion has got the majority of his decisions wrong.
The players last season still have my praise what your not grasping is this is now a new team what happened last season is irrelevant to the current team.
I wasn't tearing in to them though I'm being honest, being a supporter doesn't mean you have to lie about the teams performances.
As for not trying it looks game on game that the players are trying less, they know as well as we do the outcome when the team is selected with stupid formations or tactics

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:05 am**

Go on then - which players are trying less?
In which games and point to the examples
It should be quite easy for you to remember specifics given you have reached this conclusion.

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:18 am**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:05 am
Go on then - which players are trying less?
In which games and point to the examples
It should be quite easy for you to remember specifics given you have reached this conclusion.

Zaroury was a disgrace on Saturday, body language said he didn’t want to be there .

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:23 am**

Tresor every game,Zaroury,Brownhill,Roberts, all look lost.Ramsey is shite,might as well kept Twine,at least he can take a free kick.Oh Vitinho aswell,if I think of any more will post.

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:36 am**

Odebert at Brentford

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:37 am**

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:18 am
Zaroury was a disgrace on Saturday, body language said he didn’t want to be there .

body language to me said he was fearful of making a mistake and disappointing himself and his teammates as they are all under intense pressure from the fans, but hey we cant all be accurate "body language" experts can we

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:55 am**

Ref Watch on Sky Sports would have given a foul against Berger. Quelle surprise ?!

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:56 am**

I think there's a difference between 'looking lost' and not trying hard enough. I mean, you can criticise their performances, but I'm not having Brownhill or Roberts as shirkers.

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:11 pm**

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:18 am
Zaroury was a disgrace on Saturday, body language said he didn’t want to be there .

How do you know that?
Belgian Maroccans have different body language to English footballers

Posted: **Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:42 pm**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:05 am
Go on then - which players are trying less?
In which games and point to the examples
It should be quite easy for you to remember specifics given you have reached this conclusion.

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