Caps off a rubbish weekend. Norwich in awful form.

Though they are down to ten now so who knows…

Wagner on course for being sacked in the morning- or even this afternoon

Think Norwich are hampered by injuries. No Barnes, and I think Sargent too. Shame cos they started the season so well.

Norwich are a great example of sacking a manager, losing their identity and now ending up in no man’s land, with an unhappy fanbase, empty stadium, ageing players and parachute payments running out. I hope we don’t follow paths.

Bad side Norwich

Rovers look a good bet for play offs

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:27 pm

Rovers look a good bet for play offs

You must’ve watched a different game to me.

Rovers attacked well, with purpose and precision, but the defending from Norwich was abysmal. And they’re attacking even worse. They tore rovers open several times and then wasted the chance.

To me Rovers looked okay going forward but very shaky at the back.

forest 1 up.
Great goal though.

Forest on 10 points before today…and only 2 wins above us - they are similar to Everton and need to lose games against the likes of Villa for us to be able to catch them!

Call me on you Villa!

mean…come on you Villa!

Forest be around half way at the end of season

now 2 - 0

47 mins

I do like watching Forest when they play at home. The crowd is usually well up for it and the speed at which Forest break is excellent.

Can’t believe this is the same Villa that ripped us to pieces. Martinez shocker for second goal. Forest keeper looks commanding !!

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:18 pm

Norwich are a great example of sacking a manager, losing their identity and now ending up in no man’s land, with an unhappy fanbase, empty stadium, ageing players and parachute payments running out. I hope we don’t follow paths.

'empty stadium'? Nearly 26,000 today.

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:16 pm

Can’t believe this is the same Villa that ripped us to pieces. Martinez shocker for second goal. Forest keeper looks commanding !!

It's the same Villa that ripped Everton, Palace, West Ham, Luton and especially Brighton to pieces too. Fortunately, teams don't always play to the same level every game.

After Forest looked totally out of their depth at the beginning of last season, it’s amazing to see them now looking really good.

I’d love Burnley to end up doing similar.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:21 pm

It's the same Villa that ripped Everton, Palace, West Ham, Luton and especially Brighton to pieces too. Fortunately, teams don't always play to the same level every game.

Teams ALWAYS seem to play well against us. I wonder why

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:22 pm

After Forest looked totally out of their depth at the beginning of last season, it’s amazing to see them now looking really good.

I’d love Burnley to end up doing similar.

They have dramatically changed their system from the start of last season.

We will have to do similar if we want similar returns

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:29 pm

They have dramatically changed their system from the start of last season.

We will have to do similar if we want similar returns

Yes very true

Copper has found his feet at this level now

Forrest have used 73 players in 2 years
Mental stat

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:25 pm

Teams ALWAYS seem to play well against us. I wonder why

Because they are a bigger club with a better team. They've looked very impressive so far this season and under Emery over the last year. His win % is excellent.

What was Forest’s system at the beginning of last season? Genuine q. Isn’t it more that they’ve bought a shitload of players?

I see that Townsend starts for Luton against Liverpool. No sign of Lokonga.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:21 pm

It's the same Villa that ripped Everton, Palace, West Ham, Luton and especially Brighton to pieces too. Fortunately, teams don't always play to the same level every game.

I think it’s fair to give forest some sort of credit that they haven’t allowed themselves to be ripped into pieces & made villa look gash.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:46 pm

I think it’s fair to give forest some sort of credit that they haven’t allowed themselves to be ripped into pieces & made villa look gash.

Yes of course Forest deserve credit for what looks like is going to be a very good performance and home win.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:47 pm

Yes of course Forest deserve credit for what looks like is going to be a very good performance and home win.

I’ve been impressed with forest throughout the season & I don’t think they’ll be relegation contenders like some people thought they would be.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:50 pm

I’ve been impressed with forest throughout the season & I don’t think they’ll be relegation contenders like some people thought they would be.

Almost impossible to see beyond the obvious four for the relegation contenders

Therefore begs the question as to why we couldn't use the good performance and tactics against Forest in other matches, as we were the better team and deserved all three points.

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:43 pm

I see that Townsend starts for Luton against Liverpool. No sign of Lokonga.

Injured

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:18 pm

Norwich are a great example of sacking a manager, losing their identity and now ending up in no man’s land, with an unhappy fanbase, empty stadium, ageing players and parachute payments running out. I hope we don’t follow paths.

Their capacity is 27,200 and the lowest crowd they’d had on this season is 25,585 you absolute mug.

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:43 pm

I see that Townsend starts for Luton against Liverpool. No sign of Lokonga.

I think Lokonga is out injured along with six other Luton players.

You see it's not just Burnley that have had a lot of injuries

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:41 pm

What was Forest’s system at the beginning of last season? Genuine q. Isn’t it more that they’ve bought a shitload of players?

I believe they began last season playing quite an open and attacking 3412 formation, carrying it forward from their successful promotion season.

After a heavy loss at Leicester I think it was, they switched to a very back to basics 433 (with 3 defensive mids) which seemed to stem the tide of defeats and they built from there.

Watch Townsend fire in the winner !!

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:59 pm

Watch Townsend fire in the winner !!

Please Buxton, it's no laughing matter.......

Aclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:08 pm

Please Buxton, it's no laughing matter.......

Him doing it is about how things are going for us just now.

Forest not reading the script about Villa at home being a free hit.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:59 pm

I believe they began last season playing quite an open and attacking 3412 formation, carrying it forward from their successful promotion season.

After a heavy loss at Leicester I think it was, they switched to a very back to basics 433 (with 3 defensive mids) which seemed to stem the tide of defeats and they built from there.

They played a back 3/5 for most of the season.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:29 pm

They have dramatically changed their system from the start of last season.

We will have to do similar if we want similar returns

They really haven’t changed much at all. Players, and manager, took time to gel and adapt, not much more to it. Don’t forget they were very much in the relegation mix with 3 games to spare.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:18 pm

They played a back 3/5 for most of the season.

Not from what I remember, and a quick look back at their fixtures supports that.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:19 pm

They really haven’t changed much at all. Players, and manager, took time to gel and adapt, not much more to it. Don’t forget they were very much in the relegation mix with 3 games to spare.

Clearly there was more to it, then…

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:25 pm

Not from what I remember, and a quick look back at their fixtures supports that.

9 out of 38 Premier League games according to this

https://www.footballcritic.com/nottingh ... /481/65452

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:19 pm

They really haven’t changed much at all. Players, and manager, took time to gel and adapt, not much more to it. Don’t forget they were very much in the relegation mix with 3 games to spare.

They changed personal and tactically changed from a 3 at the back system to a 433.

They had a dramatic change in form and survived comfortably.

For example there team first quarter of the season set up like this:

Henderson
Boly, cook, McKenna
Williams, Yates, Freuler, Lodi
Gibbs white
Johnson, Awoniyi

The first time they changed to a back four was a heavy loss against Leicester, but it was that system change that kept them up. The game after Leicester they set up like this:

Henderson
Aurier, cook, McKenna, Toffolo
Yates, Freuler, Kouyate
Johnson, Dennis, Gibbswhite

They ended up getting 6 points from their next five games including a win against Liverpool.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:44 pm

9 out of 38 Premier League games according to this

https://www.footballcritic.com/nottingh ... /481/65452

As I said, just look back at their fixtures from Leicester onwards. The various match reports (BBC, PL website etc) show most games as being a back four.

They definitely changed, and that was the original point made.

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:59 pm

Watch Townsend fire in the winner !!

Trialed for us didn’t he? , I think he’s a decent player, maybe a bit too old for VK’s team.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:29 pm

They have dramatically changed their system from the start of last season.

We will have to do similar if we want similar returns

Can you please explain how they changed ' dramatically'. Personnel I understand but I'm more concerned with their tactical approach that brought about a change in their fortunes. Looking forward to your reply.

Luton a frustrating Liverpool looking organised whilst not creating much themselves

Just need Liverpool to turn it up a bit and get ahead else I could see Town with a scabby 90+6 winner

Luton frustrating Liverpool. They don’t seem to have as much ability as us but they seem to have a better understanding of what they are/aren’t good at, and what their game plan is.

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 05, 2023 5:05 pm

Can you please explain how they changed ' dramatically'. Personnel I understand but I'm more concerned with their tactical approach that brought about a change in their fortunes. Looking forward to your reply.

Go up the page slightly,

I showed how the two formations