He's an absolute breath of fresh air, perfect response
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce5DRxClHbA

I've just read the transcript of what he said on sky, you really can't fault a word he said.
Everything absolutely spot on.

If it continues like it is doing, I think I'm done with Top level football

Goodness me I guy that’s talking sense even after a defeat ,I wish there were another 19 top flight managers with that attitude.

It’s good to hear what he had to say. I’m with him. VAR is killing the beautiful game.

It makes you wonder if he would have said the same thing with a reverse scoreline & his team benefiting.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:10 am

It makes you wonder if he would have said the same thing with a reverse scoreline & his team benefiting.

Ange always tells it as he sees it. Same in Australia, Japan and Scotland.

Thank you Ange. VAR and associated technology is killing the 'beautiful game'. Lets get back to basics, lets get shut of this white elephant.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:10 am

It makes you wonder if he would have said the same thing with a reverse scoreline & his team benefiting.

The evidence would suggest yes.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/i ... f6a1d0ddf2

ebby wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:19 am

Ange always tells it as he sees it. Same in Australia, Japan and Scotland.

To some neutrals it might come across as sour grapes, it shouldn't take a 1-4 defeat say the same thing in a draw or a victory when you've benefited.

He really is.

More Ange, Dyche... Less Klipperty, Arteta please

Have been waiting for a manager to come out and say this.

Hard to argue with him.

A man expressing my own views on VAR and everything else which is ruining the game in search of Utopia!
Well done Ange, mind you, he will probably get fined by the PL for expressing his views honestly but not agreeing with the way that the modern game is being shaped!

He is spot on and I found his comment about Managers trying to find a way around the rules (laws) refreshingly honest.
Football is a mess, nowhere more so than the Premier League and it's purely down to money being more important than the game. It's no longer about where you finish at the end of a season but about how many millions you have won or lost.

Every decision that costs a point has a financial implication which potentially puts the Manager out of a job. It's no longer about competing fairly to achieve success.

VAR is trying to sterilise the game because the Managers argue and whinge every single decision which loads pressure onto the Referee. It results in Managers whining about things they have instigated in the first place.

JohnMac wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:59 am

He is spot on and I found his comment about Managers trying to find a way around the rules (laws) refreshingly honest.
Football is a mess, nowhere more so than the Premier League and it's purely down to money being more important than the game. It's no longer about where you finish at the end of a season but about how many millions you have won or lost.

Every decision that costs a point has a financial implication which potentially puts the Manager out of a job. It's no longer about competing fairly to achieve success.

VAR is trying to sterilise the game because the Managers argue and whinge every single decision which loads pressure onto the Referee. It results in Managers whining about things they have instigated in the first place.

Your post aligns with what I posted on the VAR thread re the amount of money now in the game dictating how it is run. If it was left just down to refereeing decisions, as Ange suggested it was 20 odd years ago, I wonder how Daniel Levy and the money men at Spurs would react if they missed out on a top 4 finish by losing to an offside goal in the final game of the season. Probably not very well.

I agree with everything Ange said about VAR.

Spoken from the heart and Tottenham are fortunate to have him.

mkmel wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:12 am

I agree with everything Ange said about VAR.

Spoken from the heart and Tottenham are fortunate to have him.

What Ange spoke about wasn’t really about VAR but more the way in which his fellow managers are demanding that it be used to eradicate all errors and mistakes, leading to long delays on the decision making while everything is examined forensically.

kentonclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:20 am

What Ange spoke about wasn’t really about VAR but more the way in which his fellow managers are demanding that it be used to eradicate all errors and mistakes, leading to long delays on the decision making while everything is examined forensically.

His fellow managers could also help by demanding their players cut out the blatant and widespread cheating and faking of injuries, which is a huge blight on the game....

....but i wouldn't expect too much joy on that front.

didn't he get booked last night for complaining about decisions?

he should perhaps... concentrate on how to set a defence up when down to 9 men instead

kentonclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:09 am

Your post aligns with what I posted on the VAR thread re the amount of money now in the game dictating how it is run. If it was left just down to refereeing decisions, as Ange suggested it was 20 odd years ago, I wonder how Daniel Levy and the money men at Spurs would react if they missed out on a top 4 finish by losing to an offside goal in the final game of the season. Probably not very well.

Probably not very well as you say, but that could still happen even WITH var, and that’s the point. It’s solved nothing, and has directly contributed to the standard of refereeing dropping through the floor. It’s reffed from a monitor, and relayed to the on field official. That’s spoiling the whole thing.

Managers can’t/won’t be impartial or even honest to refs decisions, and that doesn’t help anyone. In fact, quite the opposite.

Ange is a proper football man.

theduke wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:43 pm

didn't he get booked last night for complaining about decisions?

he should perhaps... concentrate on how to set a defence up when down to 9 men instead

he got booked for stepping out of his technical area

JohnMac wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:59 am

He is spot on and I found his comment about Managers trying to find a way around the rules (laws) refreshingly honest.
Football is a mess, nowhere more so than the Premier League and it's purely down to money being more important than the game. It's no longer about where you finish at the end of a season but about how many millions you have won or lost.

Every decision that costs a point has a financial implication which potentially puts the Manager out of a job. It's no longer about competing fairly to achieve success.

VAR is trying to sterilise the game because the Managers argue and whinge every single decision which loads pressure onto the Referee. It results in Managers whining about things they have instigated in the first place.

Refs don’t have any pressure they just blame VAR

ClaretFelix wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:02 am

I've just read the transcript of what he said on sky, you really can't fault a word he said.
Everything absolutely spot on.

If it continues like it is doing, I think I'm done with Top level football

But VAR got every decision right , isn’t that what it was brought in for ?

Refreshing to hear, especially about respect for referees. Kompany said similar the other week.

Arteta on the other ranted about the whole system and then got the club to put out a statement backing him.

Referees are scrutinised in a negative way week in week out. It would be refreshing to see Arteta severely punished as well as Arsenal.

They need support and help, not the endless scrutiny they are constantly under by the media, managers,players and fans.

Casper2 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:36 pm

But VAR got every decision right , isn’t that what it was brought in for ?

Because I haven't the time to invest in something that should only be a 90 minute game, not to mention the endless fall out from examining every single decision in microscopic detail.
Human error or decsions made subjectively has always been part and parcel of the game. It used to create genuine talking points first thing Monday morning at work, when now it's the same conversation time after time. It's VAR and how it's rubbish and doesn't work and is getting extremely boring.
VAR hasn't improved the game one iota.

Good old hard nosed Aussie is Ange and he is absolutely bang on with what he said in that clip!

A couple of things spring to my mind with this, one being the fact that even with all of the different camera angles, slow motion replays and colourful lines on screen, you are often still left with a decision that is purely subjective. What I mean by this is and for example, you can have Gary Neville on TV saying one thing, Jamie Carragher saying another, only for VAR to interpret the situation in a different way ultimately making the decision a subjective one. A perfect example is when they are debating red card offences. This is why goal line tech works, because it’s not based on opinion; it’s either a goal or it isn’t and we trust the tech to get it right which it does consistently well in a matter of seconds taking away the risk of human error or a subjective based decision making process. Tackles, coming together incidents, penalties, and offsides etc… will often still be uncertain as things stand even with the use of technology, hence the 7 minutes it takes VAR to make a bloody decision!!

Surely the game would be better off leaving these sorts of decisions with the officials? Surely the game would be better off giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacker instead of halting fans celebrating a goal followed by 12 minutes of line drawing which kills the moment? Surely the game would be better off if the FA once and for all stamped on players and managers arguing/shouting/slagging off officials?

Just a few thoughts…….

12 minutes of line drawing ?

ClaretFelix wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:20 pm

Because I haven't the time to invest in something that should only be a 90 minute game, not to mention the endless fall out from examining every single decision in microscopic detail.
Human error or decsions made subjectively has always been part and parcel of the game. It used to create genuine talking points first thing Monday morning at work, when now it's the same conversation time after time. It's VAR and how it's rubbish and doesn't work and is getting extremely boring.
VAR hasn't improved the game one iota.

You haven’t the time to invest in something that should only be a 90 minute game , so you can’t be bothered watching extra time in a cup game then ?

Technology isn't killing this game.

TV and the media is killing it. Every mistake or error is reported and analysed a thousand times. Pressure builds that much the powers in charge have to come up with a solution to eradicate errors, football is a subjective game. Everyone has different opinions so should be left to the referee in charge on the day to run the game and the result is what it is.

fanzone wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:53 pm

Technology isn't killing this game.

TV and the media is killing it. Every mistake or error is reported and analysed a thousand times. Pressure builds that much the powers in charge have to come up with a solution to eradicate errors, football is a subjective game. Everyone has different opinions so should be left to the referee in charge on the day to run the game and the result is what it is.

Spot on that's the way it should be, it's worth remembering collectively the reason why VAR was introduced in the first place was people moaning about costly erroneous decisions & why VAR was implemented in an attempt to eradicate such incidents, I'd scrap VAR tomorrow & go back to the old way & just accept the officials make mistakes & aren't perfect. Some might moan about VAR but it's important to understand why the powers that be decided that VAR was the way forward.

A great manager who is destined for success at the top level hopefully not with Spurs he deserves better than their fickle fans

Unpopular opinion but I don't really agree with him. I think the system needs to be faster and more efficient but all the talk about taking power away from refs is stupid. Refs are making the VAR decisions too! Refs being poor and partial to make unfair decisions based on bias is what causes VAR, not fans complaining about decisions. Decisions that get complained about get complained about because they are bad decisions, period.

I also disagree that refs audio being broadcasted is a bad thing.

He's old and has old school beliefs. A lot of people on here agree with him because they may also have the same old school values but I think there's a desperate need to improve the game and I see technology and transparency being a big part of that.

He's also a massive hypocrite. There's no way he'd be happy if his player got a red card incorrectly. In fact, given his personality he'd likely get a ban for complaining about it.

I quite like Postecoglou, but I thought this from Paddy Power was quite amusing.

fanzone wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:53 pm

Technology isn't killing this game.

TV and the media is killing it. Every mistake or error is reported and analysed a thousand times. Pressure builds that much the powers in charge have to come up with a solution to eradicate errors, football is a subjective game. Everyone has different opinions so should be left to the referee in charge on the day to run the game and the result is what it is.

So, what are you proposing exactly? Scrapping live coverage of football on TV? Even if VAR was scrapped tomorrow the games and refereeing decisions would still be analysed and put under the microscope because it is Sky that is providing and has all the technology.
When it was announced that VAR was being introduced and some voiced concerns that all talking points would be removed from the game, I said that there would
still be the big debates, but over the VAR decisions instead of the refereeing one’s because that will always be the case when human error and interpretation are involved. Anybody who thought otherwise was being very naive.
I could not name any top level sport where technology was introduced and then scrapped, tennis, cricket, rugby, horse racing all employ it to some degree.
The VAR process will doubtless be tinkered with and improved over time but it is here to stay like it or loathe it. Too many vested interests involved in keeping it in place. Sky must be doing very nicely out of providing all the technology, camera work etc. You cannot put the Genie back in the bottle.