Deducted 10 points but still not bottom, that's how bad we've started
Really though 10 points this season is the only ruling after cheating for years, what an absolute farce the premier league is.
So basically the cheating worked they survived the other year then get points deducted when the bottom 3 start poorly so they'll still survive comfortably

Everton will stay up comfortably regardless.

Dyche has turned them into a fairly decent outfit.

That's why I don't understand this 'punishment' if it was two seasons ago Everton get relegated and lose out on hundreds of millions of pounds yet now they'll survive comfortably and it'll have no impact on them whatsoever.
Really though we should be further up the table and thinking well that's one position almost nailed on for relegation

Tinfoil hat on but Imo they’ve handed this knowing that they’ll still stay up as the bottom of the league is that poor.

An attempt at a deterrent.

Seems to send exactly the wrong message.

Bet the ranch and prey you spend it wisely, and deal with it when you are far healthier down the road…

Is that not exactly why fair play was brought in… Leicester etc.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:33 pm

Tinfoil hat on but Imo they’ve handed this knowing that they’ll still stay up as the bottom of the league is that poor.

An attempt at a deterrent.

Couldn't agree more then they'll reduce it on appeal to 6 points just to make sure Everton have an helping hand.
Should be under a transfer embargo and made to sell players too to clear the financial debt but they'll carry on as before

Embarrassing that we are still below them this early in the season.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:27 pm

Dyche has turned them into a fairly decent outfit.

Are you talking about the same Dyche you banged on about sacking every other week, for at least a couple of seasons, or are we talking about a different one?

If the 10 point deduction actually happens then Chelsea and Manchester City would have to be sent down several Divisions to make it fair

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:33 pm

Tinfoil hat on but Imo they’ve handed this knowing that they’ll still stay up as the bottom of the league is that poor.

An attempt at a deterrent.

My thoughts exactly. Even with the deduction they only need 1 win to take them out of the relegation places. They will be fine with Sean Dyche in charge

Self pity city will be in overdrive time.

Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:38 pm

Are you talking about the same Dyche you banged on about sacking every other week, for at least a couple of seasons, or are we talking about a different one?

If you remembered correctly (which of course you haven’t) I said that Pace would sack him, but I was Dyche in.

The difference in this circumstance is Pace will Sack VK and I could understand why.

Good news for us as it's another team we will finish above.

Not enough but at least something has been done

Dyche will use this to motivate the team now

If you’re not concerned about our season so far, a team has lost 10 points and we are still bottom.

An absolute non-punishment. If clubs cheat, relegate them. Dead simple. Expect City to be awarded some points if their day of reckoning ever comes, that's how toothless the people in charge are.

Now the fun begins because we and other clubs will sue them after being found guilty.

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:50 pm

Good news for us as it's another team we will finish above.

You've not seen us play much this season, have you?

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:41 pm

If the 10 point deduction actually happens then Chelsea and Manchester City would have to be sent down several Divisions to make it fair

If the Premier League relegate them as a direct punishment, without parachute payments, then the EFL can refuse to have them, Not saying this will happen, but they could end up in League 2 or the National League and like Rangers be forced to build again this time with more stringent financial protocols in place.

Such a punishment would effectively be closer to a truer one, though realistically that would only apply when they get back to the top flight - these clubs could still benefit from their well established academies which fall outside the financial protocols

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:27 pm

Everton will stay up comfortably regardless.

Dyche has turned them into a fairly decent outfit.

Outfit?

Sean, is that you?

Does every ******* thread need to have same bitching about the club? It’s ******* boring.

Clive 1960 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:51 pm

Now the fun begins because we and other clubs will sue them after being found guilty.

and how will we do that if they go into administration? which is a possibility if the sale to 777 Partners is blocked

Our plans to take them to court, along with Leeds and Leicester, is now most certainly on the cards.

Clive 1960 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:51 pm

Now the fun begins because we and other clubs will sue them after being found guilty.

That's the interesting bit for me. Surely we would have a case.

Semi justice it should have been 20 points
We now need to kick on in our games 6 points in next. 2 games a minimum requirement

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:50 pm

Good news for us as it's another team we will finish above.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:56 pm

Semi justice it should have been 20 points
We now need to kick on in our games 6 points in next. 2 games a minimum requirement

What’s the maximum then?

If anything it will galvanise them this season and they’ll stay up with points to spare.

It’s going to be interesting what Alan Pace does now, as they’ve been found to be in breach of the rules, it then supports our argument for compensation when they should have gone down instead of us.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:53 pm

Does every ******* thread need to have same bitching about the club? It’s ******* boring.

I couldn't agree more.
A thread that was started to specifically lambast the pathetic punishment served on Everton has once again been used as a platform by some to have another dig at the club.

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:54 pm

and how will we do that if they go into administration? which is a possibility if the sale to 777 Partners is blocked

Would they not get even more points deducted for going into administration?

JR1882 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:51 pm

If you’re not concerned about our season so far, a team has lost 10 points and we are still bottom.

Not just any team, the team most Burnley fans laughed at least season and said we'd comfortably finish above this season.
Imagine come May when we're relegated and a team who's only just survived year on year who had 10 points deducted still finish above us

The delay in punishments is a joke. Why do they get to keep last season's PL money which would have been ours if they weren't cheating. PL money which they also used to sign McNeil and pay Tarky's wages to rub salt in our wounds.

The more I think about it the punishment is worse for us than them with the embarrassment well suffer

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:33 pm

Tinfoil hat on but Imo they’ve handed this knowing that they’ll still stay up as the bottom of the league is that poor.

An attempt at a deterrent.

This. I hope we sue them for a **** load of money, now.

The Premier League can **** off.

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:54 pm

and how will we do that if they go into administration? which is a possibility if the sale to 777 Partners is blocked

They won't go into administration and if they do we can have Tarky and Mcneil back as a down payment.

It’s a shame it wasn’t back dated to when we were last in prem.

Hope Man City get relegated now, get the cheats out.

If it stands and Manchester City, Chelsea and other top Premiership Clubs are also deducted points then I would imagine the top 10 or 12 clubs would break away and form their own League ( either European of English) and get TV companies to pay big fees for viewing
Clubs like ourselves would get very poor TV coverage and money and it could be the death of lots of clubs

Everton say they are going to appeal if they lose the appeal would they be deducted more points.

I am hoping City get a massive points deduction

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:18 pm

If it stands and Manchester City, Chelsea and other top Premiership Clubs are also deducted points then I would imagine the top 10 or 12 clubs would break away and form their own League ( either European of English) and get TV companies to pay big fees for viewing
Clubs like ourselves would get very poor TV coverage and money and it could be the death of lots of clubs

Here's hoping.

Be nice to have a proper sporting pyramid again. They can enjoy their plastic league

Couldn't have come at a better time for Everton, I've no doubt they'll recover from this.
Only point in launching an appeal would be to stave off claims for compensation from the likes of us.
Other than that, they're better off accepting it and move on.

Juan Tanamera wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:05 pm

Would they not get even more points deducted for going into administration?

possibly * but unlike the EFL the Premier League does not have a set ruling for this. and that does not help our private court case

The points deduction for Everton is an absolute precedent - unheard of for non-sporting reasons (think Middlesbrough failing to field a team)

In the end, I think this will be appealed against with some likelihood of change. It is unprecedented and in the end it came down to a relatively small sum of £20 million or so.

The problem for the independent panel is what to do with the likes of City and Chelsea who look to be much bigger cases than Everton.

We are just 2 points from safety as things stand so this should give us a boost regardless of whether we will finish above Everton or not.

If someone had told us pre this season started that Everton would be imposed a 10 point ban, we would have done the proverbial and bit their hand off. But now that our club has made one of the very worst starts in the PL since it was formed-that's not enough according to many.

Everton are on the ascendancy-quite hard to beat with a good shape, Calvert Lewin seems to be fit (well done SD for managing his comeback), they have two very good wingers in McNeil & Harrison,who both score and assist, and a midfield that chip in goals. They are now a comfy mid table side and contrast us in so many ways.

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:21 pm

I am hoping City get a massive points deduction

If they gave City a 60 point deduction I think they’d still finish above us.

I expect BFC, primarily, in that the 3 years ended in 2021/22, to sue them, and I would expect it to settle out of court for far, far more than what Sheffield United got after the Tevez issue (£20m).

Everton won’t enter administration because of the further points deduction and the impact it has on the stadium etc. How can they continue building the stadium for next season if in administration?

If we get, for example, £50m (though I am guessing more) that would be huge in terms of our transfer kitty either in January or next summer.

Also worth factoring in that if we get relegated again due to Everton having a multi-year Premier League squad and us having a brand new one, our loss could be argued to be based on two relegations, not one. That’s why I would expect a quick out of court settlement but not until the appeal has concluded.

Clive 1960 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:51 pm

Now the fun begins because we and other clubs will sue them after being found guilty.

This is a good point

Leeds, us and someone else wasn’t it, making the threats?

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:58 pm

This is a good point

Leeds, us and someone else wasn’t it, making the threats?

Leeds didn’t go down that season so it should be just us.

Everton were only 4 points ahead of us with a worse goal difference so even a 4 point deduction that season and they would have gone down. All adds to our argument which seems a strong one.

The points deduction feels irrelevant as we won’t get within ten points of a Sean Dyche managed Everton this season with or without this - they’re organised, experienced and sadly have too much in the tank.

The major plus here though is surely that it means our sueing of them alongside Leeds and Leicester has now got real momentum after they have officially been found guilty. What effect that will have on Everton long term (and their stadium) is anybodies guess.