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North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:53 pm
by Spijed
Darko Churlinov on the bench.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:55 pm
by Spijed
For those not aware, he's one of the numerous wingers we have at the club.

Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:56 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Pretty exciting England team tonight. Hoping for 4-5 goals
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:00 pm
by Rileybobs
Kane dropped. Is Southgate out of his mind?
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:13 pm
by fidelcastro
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:00 pm
Kane dropped. Is Southgate out of his mind?
It's a dead rubber, but I think you probably knew that!

Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:28 pm
by boatshed bill
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:13 pm
It's a dead rubber, but I think you probably knew that!
So was the Malta game which surely would have been the obvious time to leave Kane out, perhaps try Watkins
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:29 pm
by bfcjg

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Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:31 pm
by Nori1958
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:28 pm
So was the Malta game which surely would have been the obvious time to leave Kane out, perhaps try Watkins
Not sure 90k fans would have put up with a B team
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:31 pm
by fidelcastro
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:28 pm
So was the Malta game which surely would have been the obvious time to leave Kane out, perhaps try Watkins
Maybe the plan was to try Watkins against (slightly) tougher opposition.
Either way, it doesn't really matter.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:33 pm
by boatshed bill
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:31 pm
Not sure 90k fans would have put up with a B team
Why not? The A team could have been dismantled at half time for what it had done.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:40 pm
by Florian
Be another snooze fest
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:52 pm
by AfloatinClaret
Never realised that Sideshow Bob was English
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:08 pm
by Rileybobs
Haha. Definite penalty.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:15 pm
by Rileybobs
Why did they plough the pitch before kick off?
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:17 pm
by CoolClaret
AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:52 pm
Never realised that Sideshow Bob was English
Spanish and plays fullback for Chelsea I thought…
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:20 pm
by Bosscat
The wife just asked why Phil Foden has 47 tattooed under his ear ... I told her its his house number just in case he gets lost
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:23 pm
by mikeS
There seems to be more stewards than fans.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:24 pm
by Rileybobs
Haha. What a joke.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:25 pm
by Rileybobs
Imagine going to watch that incident in slow motion and thinking it was a penalty offence. Haha.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:26 pm
by PWBFC
Ludicrous penalty decision.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:26 pm
by Goodclaret
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:24 pm
Haha. What a joke.
Just made up for his error a few minutes ago. That is never, ever a penalty but, as you said, that first one was.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:26 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Serious question why are referees just so unbelievably bad at there jobs?
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:26 pm
by Rileybobs
Pope would have caught that.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:26 pm
by fidelcastro
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:25 pm
Imagine going to watch that incident in slow motion and thinking it was a penalty offence. Haha.
Every day I like football less and less.
That decision is another reason why.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:27 pm
by KRBFC
Ridiculous, seriously what has football become?
So predictable too, do referees just have no backbone? Every time they’re sent to the screen they fold like a deck chair and change their onfield decision. Are they admitting they’re useless or forced to fold?
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:27 pm
by bumba
That was never a penalty but think they realised they made a mistake by not giving the Maguire one so gave it.
Don't know what's worse these days though watching England be negative or Dion Dublin on commentary
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:27 pm
by RVclaret
Absolutely laughable decision. Seriously. Not a single player appealed for it.
Get. VAR. In. The. Bin.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:27 pm
by Bordeauxclaret
They’ve got both penalty decisions wrong there.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:27 pm
by Colburn_Claret
Never a pen, but Maguires was so it evens out.
England have been embarrassing, such great talent, such a crap team.
Thanks Gareth.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:28 pm
by Cirrus_Minor
Poor decision but England should be already ahead against a poor side
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:28 pm
by Buxtonclaret
Another pathetic penalty decision that's infecting footy these days.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:28 pm
by Rileybobs
Everything that is wrong with VAR there. As soon as he’s directed to view the monitor he’s in a pickle as he is under pressure to go with the advice in his ear. The system is so flawed. He seemed reluctant to give the penalty, which you can understand, as it’s impossible to come to the conclusion that it was one.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:30 pm
by Tricky Trevor
Why can’t modern keepers make saves out to the touchline?
All of them just block it back to the 6yd line.
Crap, the lot of them.
Why did he only watch slo-mo reviews? At normal speed it wasn’t, in slo-mo possibly.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:30 pm
by Roosterbooster
Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:27 pm
They’ve got both penalty decisions wrong there.
Spot on
I dont have the sound on, so wasn't sure what they were looking at. When I realised it was a foul I nearly fell off my chair. Bonkers decision
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:30 pm
by Rileybobs
Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:30 pm
Spot on
I dont have the sound on, so wasn't sure what they were looking at. When I realised it was a foul I nearly fell off my chair. Bonkers decision
I muted my tv too but I can still hear Dion Dublin.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:33 pm
by KRBFC
Doesn’t help the fella in the VAR room is arguing why it should be a penalty. Slow motion looks worse every time.
You essentially have two people who have seen a situation differently, the one sat in the VAR room has more power to win the argument and simply more tools at his disposal (like manipulating replays by pausing the image with Lewis hand on his face so it’s the first thing the onfield referees sees) to win his argument.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:35 pm
by RVclaret
KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:33 pm
Doesn’t help the fella in the VAR room is arguing why it should be a penalty. Slow motion looks worse every time.
You essentially have two people who have seen a situation differently, the one sat in the VAR room has more power to win the argument and simply more tools at his disposal (like manipulating replays by pausing the image with Lewis hand on his face so it’s the first thing the onfield referees sees) to win his argument.
Yup. Exact same happened with the Berge ‘handball’ at Forest.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:37 pm
by Spijed
Let's not forget Maguire gave away a blatant penalty earlier that wasn't given. So it fairly balanced itself out in the end.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:37 pm
by Rileybobs
Spijed wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:37 pm
Let's not forget Maguire gave away a blatant penalty earlier that wasn't given. So it fairly balanced itself out in the end.
Making two sh!t decisions is twice as bad as making one.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:39 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:00 pm
Kane dropped. Is Southgate out of his mind?
He's on a yellow card from the Malta game.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:39 pm
by boatshed bill
If Lewis' header had cleared the ball I don't think that penalty would have been given.
Still a bit soft, but the Maguire non-foul should have been a penalty
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:41 pm
by Spijed
Aside from the penalty, England have looked toothless without Kane.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:41 pm
by Vegas Claret
KRBFC wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:33 pm
Doesn’t help the fella in the VAR room is arguing why it should be a penalty. Slow motion looks worse every time.
You essentially have two people who have seen a situation differently, the one sat in the VAR room has more power to win the argument and simply more tools at his disposal (like manipulating replays by pausing the image with Lewis hand on his face so it’s the first thing the onfield referees sees) to win his argument.
I've (and others) have been saying for a good while that VAR should not be explaining anything to a ref. If the VAR thinks a decision is wrong then send a message to the watch that just informs them to check the screen. If the on field ref sees the clear and obvious error within 3 full speed replays then change the decision, if he doesn't then stick to their on field. VAR sucks balls because of the way they are using it
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:45 pm
by Rileybobs
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:39 pm
He's on a yellow card from the Malta game.
Ah fair do’s, can’t afford for him to miss the final.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:46 pm
by bfcjg
Who's put that porpoise on Joe Coles head?
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:48 pm
by boatshed bill
Spijed wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:41 pm
Aside from the penalty, England have looked toothless without Kane.
Watkins missed a sitter (header) early on which I'm sure Kane would have buried.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:51 pm
by RammyClaret61
This isn’t football.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:53 pm
by Rileybobs
Must have been some inspirational words by Southgate at half time.
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:53 pm
by Rileybobs
Looked off?
Re: North Macedonia v England
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:55 pm
by MrTopTier
POMO.