Any news on Ramsays fitness?

Ramsey played in our last game so I’d think he’s ok.

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't want to see him in the first team this season. From what I have seen, I don't think he is currently ready for top-flight football. I think he should spend more time on loan at Middlesbrough.

As above. Needs a loan to the Champ. Nowhere near ready for the PL ( as Aston Villa knew).

Was in caterpillar in Peterlee with work this week, they all asked about Ramsey, loved him and rated him higher than all their loan signings last year

Yep. Hes not good enough for prem

I’d be intrigued on the reasoning behind writing off this talented youngsters season?

Can’t surely be based on the few minutes he’s played thus far in a misfiring, ever changing but thankfully finally settling side.

Like a few of our new lads it may take a while to figure their best role for the team/squad.

I'm not writing him off, but I believe he will develop better as a player with Middlesbrough, where he's already had a good spell before, rather than getting a few minutes from the bench this season.

Silly signing in all honesty. Another one that will probably come good but during what time span?

Not to mention, have a number of players that can currently play in his position.

Sigh, I’ve enjoyed not particularly thinking about Burnley during this international break…

Great business for villa, particularly if they have a buy back clause if he does come good.

Kilson810 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:45 pm

Great business for villa, particularly if they have a buy back clause if he does come good.

He’s talented, but if Villa carry on with their current trajectory then I’m not sure he’ll ever be good enough for them.

Best player on the pitch against Man UTD

Florian wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:15 pm

Yep. Hes not good enough for prem

I think if you can tell that from the limited time he's had on the pitch, you should be sending your cv to all the top clubs, your skill would be invaluable

Bowclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:54 pm

Best player on the pitch against Man UTD

Agreed was our best player again man United when he got a full game deffo shouldn’t be wrote off already

He’s a class act. Needs to play in a settled team.

Put in the same bracket as Trafford.

Bags of potential
Huge fee
Not quite ready
Weakens us as a unit
Not what we needed, and the cash would have been better used elsewhere

* please note I'm not sating he won't be good enough, just hecshouldn't be anywhere near the 11 , nor be playing regularly.

Absolutely none of our players bar Lyle are good enough for the prem, but that doesn't stop them getting games. Weird to spend so much on Ramsay only for him to be practically forgotten about.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:16 pm

Absolutely none of our players bar Lyle are good enough for the prem, but that doesn't stop them getting games. Weird to spend so much on Ramsay only for him to be practically forgotten about.

Berge has shown he can compete in the PL to a decent level.

The problem is with Ramseys and Traff etc is that they cost a lot and haven’t elevated our starting XI level, whilst we needed to upgrade it in certain areas - full back, defensive midfield etc.

Good to see posters giving him until the end of November after playing a handful of games before totally writing him off!

Spiral wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:16 pm

Absolutely none of our players bar Lyle are good enough for the prem, but that doesn't stop them getting games. Weird to spend so much on Ramsay only for him to be practically forgotten about.

Forgotten about by who?

He’s had a few niggles and has probably spent a bit of time out on top of that to work on his game after making costly mistakes in dangerous areas . Some need taking out of the firing line at that age and he’s been one of them in my opinion .

Berge, Brownhill, Roberts, Rodriguez, Cork, Gudmundsson, Taylor - 7 players who have all played a full season and survived at this level so are proven.

Beyer, Foster, Amdouni - all good enough now too

Koleosho, Al Dakhil, Tresor, Brun Larsen, Ekdal - all very close, young and kearning

Trafford, Ramsey, Zaroury, Benson, Odobert - a bit further away but still bags of talent and a chance of bursting through

Cullen, O’Shea, Vitinho, Muric - less clear to me that they’ll excel but still offer potential to

That list (and I’ll have forgotten some) tells me we have a potentially very good team and shouldn’t be writing anyone off like on this thread. Arguably though the way to get success is with those who have had it before, i.e. start at the top of this list and build a squad working downwards.

The problem is that we get to row 4 before we hit a goalkeeper. But every team has some young potential in it, it just can’t be in too many positions.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:54 pm

That list (and I’ll have forgotten some) tells me we have a potentially very good team and shouldn’t be writing anyone off like on this thread. Arguably though the way to get success is with those who have had it before, i.e. start at the top of this list and build a squad working downwards.

The problem is that we get to row 4 before we hit a goalkeeper. But every team has some young potential in it, it just can’t be in too many positions.

Strange list in all honesty.

Not sure how Cullen / Muric find themselves at the bottom of the list after being two of our stand out players from last year and both in the Champ TOTY.

Cullen of course has struggled (like all of them) but literally had 0 help in centre mid bar the first game against City.

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:24 pm

Forgotten about by who?

By me. I literally forgot we had him before opening this thread. I thought it was about the Welsh Ramsay.

Another example of how we have splashed the cash on unproven players with an eye watering fee yet thought Nathan Tella fee was way over the odds … madness

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:54 pm

That list (and I’ll have forgotten some) tells me we have a potentially very good team and shouldn’t be writing anyone off like on this thread. Arguably though the way to get success is with those who have had it before, i.e. start at the top of this list and build a squad working downwards.

The issue we have is that we need individuals who are going to be giving 7-8/10 every game. Unfortunately, we have players past their peak, far too many young players who are not ready at this level and inexperienced players who have been thrown into the deep end.

Fans should accept relegation now, (which isn't the worst thing in the world) but I think we should stick with VK and his project and be comforted that we will have a wicked team in 2025/26

Not sure what Amdouni is doing right now to install himself on the 'good enough' list.

He sure needs to do more for me.

I still think we'll survive but I reckon if you agree with Crosspool's assessment of how good our players are and ask why we're rock bottom of the league, the only possible answers are a little bit scary.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:54 pm

Berge, Brownhill, Roberts, Rodriguez, Cork, Gudmundsson, Taylor - 7 players who have all played a full season and survived at this level so are proven.

Beyer, Foster, Amdouni - all good enough now too

Koleosho, Al Dakhil, Tresor, Brun Larsen, Ekdal - all very close, young and kearning

Trafford, Ramsey, Zaroury, Benson, Odobert - a bit further away but still bags of talent and a chance of bursting through

Cullen, O’Shea, Vitinho, Muric - less clear to me that they’ll excel but still offer potential to

That list (and I’ll have forgotten some) tells me we have a potentially very good team and shouldn’t be writing anyone off like on this thread. Arguably though the way to get success is with those who have had it before, i.e. start at the top of this list and build a squad working downwards.

The problem is that we get to row 4 before we hit a goalkeeper. But every team has some young potential in it, it just can’t be in too many positions.

I clearly won't be by myself in thinking it strange you have Trafford in row 3 as opposed to MURIC in row 4, given our goals against column and after weeks of seeing Traffords weaknesses, no guarantees MURIC can excel in this league, but he certainly excelled in at least the 2nd half of last season which was a level above the alternative, and also knows the system vk wants to play, so I'd say he at least deserves a chance in proving himself, because on the current trajectory it appears we'll be shipping a 100 goals by the end of the season.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:16 pm

Absolutely none of our players bar Lyle are good enough for the prem, but that doesn't stop them getting games. Weird to spend so much on Ramsay only for him to be practically forgotten about.

He’s been injured until recently.

Bowclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:54 pm

Best player on the pitch against Man UTD

Agreed I wanna see more of him centrally, didn’t suit the wide left role away at Newcastle. I’d have Berge deep with Brownhill and Ramsey ahead of them in a midfield 3 today.

Carlos the Great wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:48 am

Another example of how we have splashed the cash on unproven players with an eye watering fee yet thought Nathan Tella fee was way over the odds … madness

Are you saying Nathan Tella wasn’t unproven at PL level?

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:54 pm

Berge, Brownhill, Roberts, Rodriguez, Cork, Gudmundsson, Taylor - 7 players who have all played a full season and survived at this level so are proven.

Beyer, Foster, Amdouni - all good enough now too

Koleosho, Al Dakhil, Tresor, Brun Larsen, Ekdal - all very close, young and kearning

Trafford, Ramsey, Zaroury, Benson, Odobert - a bit further away but still bags of talent and a chance of bursting through

Cullen, O’Shea, Vitinho, Muric - less clear to me that they’ll excel but still offer potential to

That list (and I’ll have forgotten some) tells me we have a potentially very good team and shouldn’t be writing anyone off like on this thread. Arguably though the way to get success is with those who have had it before, i.e. start at the top of this list and build a squad working downwards.

The problem is that we get to row 4 before we hit a goalkeeper. But every team has some young potential in it, it just can’t be in too many positions.

Strange list.
Tresor is older than Zaroury and yet to demonstrate anything in more time at this level.
Vitinho is still very young for his position, as is Muric who I'm unsure how he's currently below Trafford.
Ramsey we haven't seen nearly enough to judge.
Cork and Rodriguez are blatantly long past their best and past this level.
Ekdal I rate hugely but hasn't played in the Prem yet and isn't as young as the others on that tier.
Amdouni for all his talent we're not getting the most out of due to a mix of our tactics not fitting his natural profile and the players around him currently not supporting or offering enough so can't see how he's slotted in that level.
Roberts hasn't survived at this level, his one PL season we were relegated.

Our squad is raw and unbalanced, we have a reverse bell curve of players- most are either very young and completely unproven, or old and past their best we don't have many in the 25-28 sweet spot who we can say are definitely up to it.
What worries me is we seem to be settling certain players into the starting lineup who really ought not to be anymore (Jay, to a lesser degree Gudmundsson), that fans see Cork still as a solution, and for as happy as we are to experiment don't experiment with certain untested players, or experiment with position swaps (eg trying as a striker) in games where we're on to nothing from the off like Arsenal, etc.

City at home was a free hit that let us afford to try things out, we've had a couple since but our experimentation doesn't follow a ton of logic to me and we pretty much never shift game plan mid match. I've said before I think so many of our problems are with tempo and incisiveness/'directness' but I've got to admit I'm not sure what it says that our most settled side seems to be a reversion to 442 with some very aging personnel and have already written off the likes of Zaroury off of Bournemouth and his City blunder, and also our player rotation looks to have a hierarchy. Brun Larsen still being so low in the pecking order baffles me.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:23 pm

Agreed I wanna see more of him centrally, didn’t suit the wide left role away at Newcastle. I’d have Berge deep with Brownhill and Ramsey ahead of them in a midfield 3 today.

If he's fit enough I'd try this I'm just not sure of the frontline. I'd want maximum pace if possible so some combo of Amdouni/Koleosho/Odobert/Obafemi, or possibly Larsen in experimenting in a central role (believe he has played there a little in his career). But I think it could help with our tendency to faff around too much.

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:42 pm

Brun Larsen still being so low in the pecking order baffles me.

That’s what you get for scoring a worldie

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:24 pm

Are you saying Nathan Tella wasn’t unproven at PL level?

I think Tella had done enough for us to be given a chance in the premier league rather than a multitude of unknowns for similar money

Carlos the Great wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:11 pm

I think Tella had done enough for us to be given a chance in the premier league rather than a multitude of unknowns for similar money

But Tella was an unknown too

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:42 pm

Strange list.
Tresor is older than Zaroury and yet to demonstrate anything in more time at this level.
Vitinho is still very young for his position, as is Muric who I'm unsure how he's currently below Trafford.
Ramsey we haven't seen nearly enough to judge.
Cork and Rodriguez are blatantly long past their best and past this level.
Ekdal I rate hugely but hasn't played in the Prem yet and isn't as young as the others on that tier.
Amdouni for all his talent we're not getting the most out of due to a mix of our tactics not fitting his natural profile and the players around him currently not supporting or offering enough so can't see how he's slotted in that level.
Roberts hasn't survived at this level, his one PL season we were relegated.

Agree 100% spot on

Showed his class again when he came on today.

Totally agree.Ramsay showed some impressive touches.

Thought he was an unnecessary sub and he was fairly poor. Not ready for the PL whatsoever.

Is this a wind up?

He's not ready.

Ramsey is a real talent and if we do drop we would have one of the most exciting attacking players in the division.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:33 pm

Ramsey is a real talent and if we do drop we would have one of the most exciting attacking players in the division.

Well said RV

He made some really intelligent runs today, broke the lines well.

Showed some nice touches today and had good movement but physically not ready and I can’t see him imposing himself on a game yet.

Agreed he’d be great in the Champ

We’re at the Bee Hole End and I thought he looked much stronger today than last time he played made plenty of runs into the box late on.

Carlos the Great wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:11 pm

I think Tella had done enough for us to be given a chance in the premier league rather than a multitude of unknowns for similar money

I’m even just missing seeing Tella smiling now, never mind him ripping apart defences