Please leave ratings for all players who have played 20 mins or more.


Scoring is from 3 to 10 as follows:

10 - Out of this World
9 - Excellent
8 - Very Good
7 -Good
6 - Average
5 - Below Par
4 - Poor
3 - Abysmal

Trafford 6
Vitinho 6
Beyer 6
O'Shea 6
Taylor 5
Gudmundsson 6
Berge 6
Brownhill 5
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 6
Rodriguez 6

Ramsey 5

Threw three points away against a very average side. The subs made us go backwards. Utterly embarrassing.

Trafford - 7
Vitinho - 5
Beyer - 6
O'shea - 5
Taylor - 7
Gudmundsson - 7
Berge - 7
Brownhill - 6
Koleosho - 8 (mom)
Amdouni - 7
Rodriguez - 7 I thought it was Jay's best game for a while, defended better than our whole right side of defence

Ramsey - 5

Trafford 6
Vitinho 6
Beyer 7
O'Shea 5
Taylor 5
Gudmundsson 6
Berge 7
Brownhill 5
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 6
Rodriguez 6
Ramsey 5

Trafford 4 didn't have much to do but what he did do he did poorly
Vitinho 5
Taylor 7
Beyer 7
O Shea 5
Berge 7
Brownhill 7
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 8
JBG 7
Rodriguez 6

Trafford 6 1 flap 1 punch 0 saves
Vitinho 5
Beyer 6
O’Shea 6
Taylor 6
JBG 7
Berge 9 best player on the pitch
Brownhill 6
Koleoshu 8 should have scored
Amdouni 7 much better today
Rodriguez 6

Interesting that 3 of our better players were subbed !!

Trafford 6
Vitinho 6
Beyer 7
O'Shea 6
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 6
Berge 8
Brownhill 6
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 7
Rodriguez 7
Ramsey 6

Game management cost us that game. There were plenty of good performances.

Trafford 7
Vitinho 6
Beyer 7
O'Shea 5
Taylor 5
Gudmundsson 6
Berge 8
Brownhill 6
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 6
Rodriguez 6
Ramsey 5

To not get anything from that game is absolutely on Kompany, in fact from the summer transfer policy onwards he's played a large enough part in our current situation

Trafford 6
Vitinho 7
O Shea 7
Beyer 5
Taylor 8
Brownhill 5
Berge 8
Gudmundsson 7
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 7
Rodriguez 5

Subs:
Ramsey 6
Zaroury na
Cullen na

Trafford 6 - did everything fine
Vitinho 6 - no goals conceded from his side
O’Shea 6 - fine but how did the striker beat them both to it?
Beyer 6 - fine but how did the striker beat them both to it?
Taylor 5 - shocking piece of defending for the 1st
JBG 6 - solid performance
Brownhill 7 - felt he and Berge won a tough midfield battle
Berge 8* - hope he fancies the Championship again
Koleosho 7 - another key part in one of our goals
Amdouni 7 - his busiest showing yet
Rodriguez 6 - battled, scored but lost Soucek for the 2nd

Ramsey 6 - did ok but Obafemi’s pace in behind was needed

Kompany - I feel the players are giving their all for him but we are just coming up short in key moments. Also we just aren’t creating good enough chances from open play despite some nice bits of play. Unfortunately more naive decision making today with Brownhill - Berge playing well together, then shifting Brownhill out wide for Cullen, you just don’t do that.

Trafford 6
Vitinho 6
Beyer 6
O’Shea 6
Taylor 6
Berge 8*
Gudmundsson 7 - taking him off for Cullen was a massive error.
Brownhill 7
Amdouni 7
Koleosho 7
Rodriguez 6
Ramsey 6
Kompany 3

Trafford 7 - far better at corners when protected. No fault with either goal
Vitinho 6 some good, some bad
Beyer 7
O'Shea 5 his best game but cost us again
Taylor 7 solid
Gudmundsson 8 experience showed
Berge 8 good performance
Brownhill 7 solid
Koleosho 8* should have had 2 penalties
Amdouni 8 best performance so far
Rodriguez 7 pretty decent

Ramsey 7 looked ok, not his fault he was brought on

Obviously VK made some major errors but we missed lots of chances

Trafford 5
Vitinho 6
O’Shea 6
Beyer 6
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Berge 8
Brownhill 6
Amdouni 7
Koleosho 7
Rodriguez 5

Ramsey 5

Really difficult to score as for 75 minutes we were much the better team.

Trafford - 5. Not much to do but he can’t seem to catch, his punches were mostly dodgy, and he is soooo ponderous in possession.

Vitinho - 6. Started well. But we really need a better right back

O’Shea - 6. Did OK. Should do better with the headers in their box

Beyer - 6

Taylor - 6 Could have been an 8 until the last 15 minutes

Berge - 8 Best player on the pitch

Brownhill - 6

JGB - 7 Spread the play well. Shame he doesn’t run at full backs any more.

Koleosho - 8. Should have had 2 penalties. Should scor though.

Andoumi - 7. Moments

Jay - 7. Best game for a while.

Note. Criticism of bringing Ramsey on, thought he was lively, made some good runs and could have made the game safe. Think he’ll be a good en.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:35 pm

Taylor 5 - shocking piece of defending for the 1st

Why was it 'shocking'? Charlie faced him up, showed him the outside, the fact he smacked a hopeful cross that got deflected in is hardly Taylor's fault!

5 ffs!

Trafford 7
Vitinho 6
O’Shea 6
Beyer 7
Taylor 7
Gudmundsson 7
Berge 8
Brownhill 7
Amdouni 8
Koleosho 8
Rodriguez 7

Ramsey 7

Trafford 6
Vitinho 5
O'Shea 6
Beyer 5
Taylor 6
Guðmundsson 7
Brownhill 6
Berge 8
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 7
Rodriguez 6

equinox wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:53 pm

Why was it 'shocking'? Charlie faced him up, showed him the outside, the fact he smacked a hopeful cross that got deflected in is hardly Taylor's fault!

5 ffs!

RVClaret doesn’t like Taylor, but he also thinks this team would beat last season’s team 7-0, when it’s more than likely they’d lose 8-7 in the last few minutes.

Trafford 4 Flapper
Vitinho 5
Beyer 6
O’Shea 5
Taylor 6
Berge 7
Brownhill 6
JBG 7
Amdouni 5
Koleosho 8
Jay Rod 7

Ramsey 6
Zaroury 4
Cullen 4

Spineless

Trafford - 5
Nothing great, nothing awful but doesn't fill me with confidence. Still don't see it.
Vitinho - 6
Good first half then slowed down and was worse in the second half
Beyer - 6
Not so sure Beyer is physical enough to play centre half in the Prem - may be more effective at fullback ?
O’Shea - 6
Was ok today but still not a PL centre half
Taylor - 6
Minus one for the goal conceded but he had a difficult afternoon against Kudus and won most of the battles
JBG - 8
One of our best players of the season and another great performance - doesn't deserve to be on a losing side.
Berge - 8
See JBG
Brownhill - 7
Was performing well in CM and the decision to move him outwide for Cullen was bizzare and lead to our downfall
Koleosho - 7
If he'd have bagged would've been an 8 - a bright spark in our team, excited to see his progress.
Amdouni- 7
Better from Amdouni - clearly talented and if he tightens up a bit of his game he will be a top player
JayRod - 7
Defended well in our box and was a bit of a focal point. Took his penalty well.

Ramsey - 6
Some good movement but lost the ball a few times and should have been a bit more decisive with his options when he got into decent positions...very powderpuff.
Zaroury - 6
Barely touched the ball
Cullen - 5
Sadly his inclusion into midfield led to our demise.

Kompany - 3

Set up really well to start then chucked the game away.

Trafford - 6. Best distribution he's shown but flapped and I'd like to see their first goal again as I've just no idea how it got past him, in real time looked like he was part fault.
Vitinho-6. Had moments. Would love to see how he does with a more dynamic winger helping him attack but Gudmundsson does so much to help him defensively.
O'Shea 6- was doing good until the late capitulation.
Beyer-6. Seemed to lose bottle as the game went on and step off.
Taylor-6. Had been doing well but crumbled late, looked like he needed Luca's pace to help him.
Gudmundsson -6. Solid but unspectacular, helps us tick but still feel he's more a central playmaker in a 3 than a winger at this level now.
Brownhill- 7. Did alright at everything, nothing spectacular but kept them stifled until he was moved right for no good reason.
Berge-8. He's what we've needed for so long.
Koleosho-8. Should have had two pens, good shot, scared them to death.
Amdouni-5. Thought he fluffed some half chances and a lot of his runs weren't achieving much. Not as good a performance as his last two IMO where he actually looked threatening before getting subbed. Needs a goal ASAP.
Jay-6. Never going to score without the pen but held it up well and battled hard.
Ramsey -5. Out of position, not been playing, showed on both fronts had a couple decent runs but didn't look like he knew what to do especially when Cullen came on and Brownhill switched.

Kompany -4. Again. His reading of the game is baffling me as of late. Last season he was so good at judging things especially second half of the season, this season I dont see what he sees half the time or what his selection criteria is especially for who he subs on.

equinox wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:53 pm

Why was it 'shocking'? Charlie faced him up, showed him the outside, the fact he smacked a hopeful cross that got deflected in is hardly Taylor's fault!

5 ffs!

Another who feels the first goal was all on the group of four, one of them had to engage before the West Ham player entered the box, once there we were literally on the back foot.

I think Charlie had a decent game.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:56 pm

RVClaret doesn’t like Taylor, but he also thinks this team would beat last season’s team 7-0, when it’s more than likely they’d lose 8-7 in the last few minutes.

Sorry buts it’s really poor defending. Watch it back. Kudus has 4 players around him, there’s enough cover inside for Taylor to get tighter on the outside. I marked him minus 1 for this as it cost us an undeserved goal.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:56 pm

RVClaret doesn’t like Taylor, but he also thinks this team would beat last season’s team 7-0, when it’s more than likely they’d lose 8-7 in the last few minutes.

Spot on

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:02 pm

Sorry buts it’s really poor defending. Watch it back. Kudus has 4 players around him, there’s enough cover inside for Taylor to get tighter on the outside. I marked him minus 1 for this as it cost us an undeserved goal.

I wouldn't go as far as really poor defending, I too gave minus one but it is an incredible bit of wing play from Kudus. He'd have done every single one of our players with that move there. Strong, quick and powerful.

Trafford 6
Vitinho 6
O Shea 7
Beyer 6
Taylor 7

Brownhill 6
Berge 8 ***
Guddy 7

Koleosho 7
Amdouni 7
Rodriguez 6

Subs:
Ramsey 6


We really do need to learn how to win games again.
The lads must be shot away after losing that.
I'm gutted watching.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:02 pm

Sorry buts it’s really poor defending. Watch it back. Kudus has 4 players around him, there’s enough cover inside for Taylor to get tighter on the outside. I marked him minus 1 for this as it cost us an undeserved goal.

That’s on all 4 players, and to be honest, I’d find Taylor less culpable than the other three.

Watching it back I think Trafford maybe could’ve done slightly better, too.

Trafford 6
Vitinho 5
O'Shea 6
Beyer 5
Taylor 5
Gudmudsson 7
Brownhill 6
Berge 7
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 7
Rodriguez 6

That was a really sore one. Should never have thrown that away.

Trafford - 7 - Better today but needs to recycle the ball quicker at times and look both ways!
Vitinho - 6 - Linked up well with Taylor
Beyer - 6 - I thought he was poor today despite giving 100%
O'shea - 6 - Won plenty of headers from our corners, no chance with og from what I could see.
Taylor - 7 - Almost an 8 today.
Gudmundsson - 7 - Covered a lot of ground today.
Berge - 8 - Involved everywhere
Brownhill - 7 - He can't shoot but we need his energy
Koleosho - 8* - Frightened them every time he ran forward, a bit more composure and this boy will fly.
Amdouni - 7 - Struggled to get the ball past a player several times but I think he is technically very good.
Rodriguez - 7 - Glad he was on for the Pen. Ran the channels and defended well too.

Ramsey - 6 - Instant impact when he came on and looked lively.

The effort was there for 80+ minutes but then BOOM and we disappear quicker than a Tortoises head.

The Referee unexplicably failed to give a free kick when Ramsey was blatantly wrestled to the ground which led to them winning one and scoring. It changed the whole complexion of the game.

So frustrating, so disappointing

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:10 pm

That’s on all 4 players, and to be honest, I’d find Taylor less culpable than the other three.

Watching it back I think Trafford maybe could’ve done slightly better, too.

Just seen it what an absolute shambles all the defending was, it was also given as an o shea og

Trafford 5
Vitinho 5
O'Shea 5
Beyer 5
Taylor 6
Gudmudsson 7
Brownhill 7
Berge 8
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 5
Rodriguez 6

Trafford 6 didn't have much to do, decent enough.
Vitinho 6 faded slightly
O'Shea 7 thought he had his best game
Beyer 7
Taylor 6
Gudmudsson 8
Brownhill 7
Berge 8
Koleosho 8 mom,why sub him they were terrified of him.
Amdouni 7
Rodriguez 7 led the line well

Kompany 3 his substitutions cost us.

Trafford - 6

Vitinho - 5
O’Shea - 5 - please VK open your eyes
Beyer - 7
Taylor - 6

JBG - 7
Berge - 8
Brownhill - 7
Koleosho - 7

Amdouni - 7
Jay - 8*

Ramsey - 6

Bringing Cullen on and moving Brownhill wide just made absolutely no sense at all. Shocking management. Shocking game management

The fat lady is all but singing

bumba wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:28 pm

Trafford 4 didn't have much to do but what he did do he did poorly
Vitinho 5
Taylor 7
Beyer 7
O Shea 5
Berge 7
Brownhill 7
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 8
JBG 7
Rodriguez 6

It not an agenda is it?...... I've ever abused anyone one here but you are tempting me to risk a ban.... What did Trafford do poorly?

Trafford 5
Vitinho 6
O’Shea 5
Beyer 6
Taylor 6
JBG 7
Berge 8*
Brownhill 7
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 7
Rodriguez 7

Kompany 4 - he’s in big trouble

Thought the players did well in the main undone by suicidal substitutions and breathtakingly naive management. Apathy at the end from the fans who did everything they could during the game - writing’s on the wall.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:31 pm

It not an agenda is it?...... I've ever abused anyone one here but you are tempting me to risk a ban.... What did Trafford do poorly?

Too slow to edit..... I've never abused anyone....

Trafford 6
Vitinho 6
O'Shea 7
Beyer 7
Taylor 7
Gudmundson 8
Berge 7
Brownhill 7
Koleosho 8
Jay 8*
Amdouni 7
Ramsey 7

It was a good performance for 85 minutes. Off the ball we were really impressive.

But if can anyone give ONE reason why Kompany made any of the substitutions? Everything was fine as it was, but then Amdouni (who linked midfield and attack well) came off for Ramsey, wasn't too upset as it was like for like. With West Ham pushing on the last ten, we could have pushed O'Shea out to full back and brought on Ekdal, we could have took off the number 10 and went 3 cbs. But instead we break up a great centre midfield partnership and put Zahroury out wide who's defensively suspect.

I honestly don't think Dyche would have changed a thing in that match and we certainly panicked, changed system and paid the price.

Trafford 6 tries hard just not good enough for the prem
Vintinho 6 tries hard just not good enough for the prem
Taylor 6 tries hard but not enough quality
OShea 6 tries hard just not good enough for the prem
Beyer 5 tries hard just not good enough for the prem
Berge 7 mom
Brownhill 6.5 tries hard just not realistically good enough for the prem
JBG 6 6 tries hard just too old to be a winger in the prem
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 7
Jay 5 tries hard just too old for the prem

Vincent Kompany 3 tries hard to get it right just not good enough for the prem

Wasn't there today but seems to me Taylor has to do more to prevent the cross on the outside for the first goal, whilst Beyer makes a bad decision to commit in the first place which takes him out of position in the centre (but also means he was actually backing Taylor up on the inside, allowing Taylor to err on stopping him on thr outside).

For the second goal, I think it is Rodriguez has a shocker - gets suckered into a wrestling match with Soucek and loses, allowing Soucek to get free. Can make an argument Berge should do more to stop the cross.

Two desperately poor goals, but it's experienced players who make the errors.

Trafford 6
Vitinho 6
O'Shea 6
Beyer 6
Taylor 6
Guðmundsson 7
Brownhill 7
Berge 8
Koleosho 8
Amdouni 8
Rodriguez 8
Ramsey 6

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:31 pm

It not an agenda is it?...... I've ever abused anyone one here but you are tempting me to risk a ban.... What did Trafford do poorly?

Do you just close your eyes and watch him?
Did you not see the crosses in to the box he flapped at? I found the one he went to punch but got out jumped hilarious.
His passing was poor, his decision making was poor.
Can you give me one situation he did well?

Trafford 6
Vitinho 5
O'Shea 6
Beyer 5
Taylor 7
Gudmudsson 7
Brownhill 6
Berge 8
Koleosho 7
Amdouni 6
Rodriguez 6

bumba wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:13 pm

Do you just close your eyes and watch him?
Did you not see the crosses in to the box he flapped at? I found the one he went to punch but got out jumped hilarious.
His passing was poor, his decision making was poor.
Can you give me one situation he did well?

Did absolutely nothing wrong in the first half, because he had nothing to do

Wasn't at fault for either goal, although those you marked higher were.

I didn't see any misplaced passes, but may have missed one.

At times he was slow getting his passes away, but that was due to lack of movement in front of him, but the players you scored higher had exactly the same problem

Bearing in mind you are the only person marking him that low backs up my argument far more than yours....

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:18 pm

Did absolutely nothing wrong in the first half, because he had nothing to do

Wasn't at fault for either goal, although those you marked higher were.

I didn't see any misplaced passes, but may have missed one.

At times he was slow getting his passes away, but that was due to lack of movement in front of him, but the players you scored higher had exactly the same problem

Bearing in mind you are the only person marking him that low backs up my argument far more than yours....

Did absolutely nothing wrong first half because he had nothing to do is a plus point for him???? HE HAD NOTHING TO DO!!!!!!! he barely touched the ball to cock up.

When the pressure ramped up 2nd half he was flapping, hesitant with kicking or passing.
Seriously starting to think your his dad

bumba wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:13 pm

Do you just close your eyes and watch him?
Did you not see the crosses in to the box he flapped at? I found the one he went to punch but got out jumped hilarious.
His passing was poor, his decision making was poor.
Can you give me one situation he did well?

Trafford 5 - rabbit in headlights. Doesn’t organise , doesn’t come for crosses, too ponderous on the ball

Vitinho 6 - works hard but not a prem player

O'Shea 5 - simply not up to it. Cant remember seeing a centre half so frequently out of position that he has to sprint back towards his own goal multiple times a game

Beyer 6 - lovely play in the Championship. Would probably benefit playing with someone more physical next to him

Taylor 6 - thought we played quite well but maybe tired and got a bit ragged

Guðmundsson 7 - solid - we lost all shape across the middle when he went off

Brownhill 6 - runs a lot, but wouldn’t get in any other prem team

Berge 8 - I’m warming to him. Looks a lot fitter than when he arrived.

Koleosho 8 - he’s been our only threat all season and the one who creates chances. Raw but I’d start him every game

Amdouni 8 - explosive second half. He’s a talent but just needs to not go missing at times

Rodriguez 6 - does what he can, but jeez we need something more up top

Ramsey 7 - he’s a classy player.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:18 pm

Bearing in mind you are the only person marking him that low backs up my argument far more than yours....

Have you actually checked the ratings before this comment? He's had 5 7's out of over 40 posts majority 5 or 6 but plenty of comments about not being good enough, flapper, poor......open your eyes Señor Trafford

bumba wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:23 pm

Did absolutely nothing wrong first half because he had nothing to do is a plus point for him???? HE HAD NOTHING TO DO!!!!!!! he barely touched the ball to cock up.

When the pressure ramped up 2nd half he was flapping, hesitant with kicking or passing.
Seriously starting to think your his dad

Another childish response, backed up by your mate stu Francis, it's almost not worth commenting on.... But just to play along.... Why was I posting on here long before he was even heard of, never mind linked with us.... Just shows how silly you and stuey are

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:36 pm

Another childish response, backed up by your mate stu Francis, it's almost not worth commenting on.... But just to play along.... Why was I posting on here long before he was even heard of, never mind linked with us.... Just shows how silly you and stuey are

Who is stu Francis? What are you even blabbering on about.

It wasn't a childish response it was a few facts that you backed up for me

Trafford 7
Vitinho 6
O'Shea 5
Beyer 7
Taylor 6
JBG 7
Berge 7
Brownhill 6
Koleosho 8
Rodriguez 7
Amdouni 7

Ramsey 6