Pathetic subs tonight ,JBG for Koleosho rubbish,moving Jansen swapping wings rubbish,Tresor who is as weak as gnat’s **** should be nowhere near the first team ,Wolves were **** ,and we were **** after 40 mins.

Good grief.

I'm not sure who Jansen is, but I largely agree.

Not sure if Obafemi has had another setback, but the failure to bring in a striker during the summer now looks ridiculous.

The subs were a joke tonight I must admit. He took any pace out of the side and wolves pressed us more.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:32 pm

I'm not sure who Jansen is, but I largely agree.

Not sure if Obafemi has had another setback, but the failure to bring in a striker during the summer now looks ridiculous.

Not sure any other striker would have made a difference in that game.

Simply because we created nothing, especially second half.

and 2 changes in injury time? Really?

He is striking me of having no plan B, any substitution seems to be wrong and like it's just a complete gamble.
Get some pace on to the field.
All that money spent to have 4/5 wingers on the bench and first option was JBG

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:32 pm

I'm not sure who Jansen is, but I largely agree.

Not sure if Obafemi has had another setback, but the failure to bring in a striker during the summer now looks ridiculous.

Sorry meant Bruun Larsen.

Wolves probably couldn’t believe their luck when JBG came on for Koleosho. A real shocker. And two subs with, what, two mins left? Naive in the extreme on and off the pitch.

Surely you put zaroury on for koleosho?

Koleosho was injured. So you would have kept an injured player on. Makes sense.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:32 pm

I'm not sure who Jansen is, but I largely agree.

Not sure if Obafemi has had another setback, but the failure to bring in a striker during the summer now looks ridiculous.

Only because of the unfortunate situation with Foster.
How much would we need to spend to bring in a top goalscorer in the next window?
We do need one.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:33 pm

Not sure any other striker would have made a difference in that game.

Simply because we created nothing, especially second half.

I'm not saying we would have got anything, but an extra target man or just something different would have been nice to see. Wingers for wingers, and then two more in stoppage time was nothing short of embarrassing.

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:38 pm

Koleosho was injured. So you would have kept an injured player on. Makes sense.

Nobody is saying that

Far from the only time. Palace it was obvious what we needed was equal directness/pace on the right and a more mobile partner for Amdouni, he subs off our two best players. Arsenal similar albeit later. West Ham he disrupts a midfield that had completely ran the game and the result is capitulation. Sheffield, game was all but done when he made the subs, I questioned Larsen coming off I assume it was to rest him, we scored 3 afterwards but the subs weren't really involved in any so it was a bit of a neutral change.

Kompany might be able to spot a decent player with his analytics firm, he might be a well-respected manager who's a solid motivator, he might have learned from the Pep Guardiola School of Possession Football, but I'm starting to question his ability to read a game, particularly when the game isn't going how he would like. His subs invariably influence things for the worst this season. What's frustrating is that last season, Benson was a top super sub, coming on and scoring worldies. We could do with that option now because without it our subs are generally not what we've needed this year.

It's not a problem unique to Kompany, Dyche was crushingly slow to make subs and even more crushingly stubborn to learn from subs that worked- I'll never forget his final season when switching to 433 with Vydra/Jay/Cornet nearly beat Chelsea and he never tried it again. But it does seem to be a weakness Kompany has.

bumba wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:34 pm

He is striking me of having no plan B, any substitution seems to be wrong and like it's just a complete gamble.
Get some pace on to the field.
All that money spent to have 4/5 wingers on the bench and first option was JBG

Can’t imagine Larsen’s confidence is too high at the moment ,and I don’t think VK’s helping ,scored the winner at Luton then doesn’t pick him he then had a few last minute sub appearances,he then gets his first start and scores ,doing ok tonight then he’s told to swap wing then subs him off.

I think he’s gone very conservative after the early season hammerings. Earlier in the season we were open and we were making a large number of attacking subs.

He’s clearly now struck on a formula that means we’re consistently in games, but seems reluctant to take risks with the subs, even when we’re behind.

Not for the first time Kompanys subs have completely bamboozled everyone. I think he tries to be too clever.

I’d have brought Redmond on for Koleosho personally. I feel he’s being criminally underused in a team that could do with a bit of experience. JBG seldom lets us down but he’s not dynamic enough out wide to be an effective replacement for Luca.

No idea what goes through his mind anymore.

Very strange decisions tonight.

Our substitutions have been incomprehensible all season, as was our decision not to sign a striker or two in the summer.

I reckon it's about time some of you lot formed a committee, get yourselves down to Gawthorpe and tell that useless manager how you would do it

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:38 pm

Only because of the unfortunate situation with Foster.
How much would we need to spend to bring in a top goalscorer in the next window?
We do need one.

We needed an extra striker anyway. Surely the money we spent on about three too many wingers could have been used for a front man?

As for Foster, has his mental health situation come out of the blue? I'm prepared to give the club the benefit of the doubt, but if it was flagged up when we signed him, then it's nothing short of negligent.

Larson was poor tonight and was rightly hooked.
The wrong sub was for Koleosho. It had to be anyone with pace - Redmond, Odobert, Zaroury etc. Just a dreadful substitution that gave the game to Wolves as they knew that we wouldn't possibly get in behind them again all afternoon.
Then making two subs in added time is quite frankly an insult to the players coming on.

For me it should have been Redmond for Koleosho. Experience and still a bit of pace. Then introduce Zaroury later if needs be. Stifled us with the lack of pace from JBG, and Larsen looked jaded tonight. Unfortunately Jays miss was the difference tonight

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:42 pm

n?

As for Foster, has his mental health situation come out of the blue? I'm prepared to give the club the benefit of the doubt, but if it was flagged up when we signed him, then it's nothing short of negligent.

With all due respect I don't think that's a subject for Uptheclarets.

JBG had a few chances to cross in the second half and every time decided to play it backwards. Highly frustrating.

They looked frightened of Koleosho when he was on but could just absorb everything we threw at them after he went off. They looked like they stepped up a bit as well not having to worry about his pace.

Embarrassing from Vincent.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:44 pm

With all due respect I don't think that's a subject for Uptheclarets.

I wish Foster all the best, obviously.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:45 pm

I wish Foster all the best, obviously.

Yes, I know. Nothing against you but you know what I mean.

Zaroury, Odobert or Redmond for Koleosho would seem to make far more sense to keep the same shape and threat.

But our best chances with the double save from their keeper came when JBG was on the pitch.

What I found frustrating was that we clearly lost momentum in the second half and couldn't find a way to get back at them. I'm not sure whether that's the fault of Kompany's tactics or lack of experience on the pitch.

What is VKs problem with Zaroury?????????

Why does the same thing happen every game?

We create chances until the opposition score, then we create absolutely nothing there afterwards?

I like JBG but I admit I found it weird, they were struggling down that side with pace. Redmond, Odobert, Zaroury and Tresor all get the nod there ahead of JBG for me.

Also our balls in the box were getting eaten for breakfast. Jay was never in the game. Might as well have subbed him, popped Amdouni up top with Odobert off him much earlier. We are a tiny team, we need ways to get in the channels and score off pullbacks or lay offs.

Kompany’s use, and in some cases lack of use, of substitutes tonight was on the one hand bamboozling and on the other a complete indictment on our transfer activity this summer.

jedi_master wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:40 pm

I’d have brought Redmond on for Koleosho personally. I feel he’s being criminally underused in a team that could do with a bit of experience. JBG seldom lets us down but he’s not dynamic enough out wide to be an effective replacement for Luca.

Agree with you there

Spijed wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:50 pm

Why does the same thing happen every game?

We create chances until the opposition score, then we create absolutely nothing there afterwards?

Probably because they only need to contain us once they've scored. A lesson we really need to learn if we want to survive... assuming we can take the lead, of course.

Pommieclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:49 pm

What is VKs problem with Zaroury?????????

His international manager doesn’t fancy him yet either

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:54 pm

Probably because they only need to contain us once they've scored. A lesson we really need to learn if we want to survive... assuming we can take the lead, of course.

We've taken the lead lots of time this season, so much so we've actually lost 14 points from winning positions.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:56 pm

We've taken the lead lots of time this season, so much so we've actually lost 14 points from winning positions.

That's exactly the point I was making. We have to learn to manage games from winning positions.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:58 pm

That's exactly the point I was making. We have to learn to manage games from winning positions.

And equally importantly manage games from losing positions.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:58 pm

And equally importantly manage games from losing positions.

That's a bit harder.

Found the lack of attacking changes bizarre tonight given how ineffective the entire forward line was.

If we have Jay up top we need in behind threats on our wings

If we have Foster/Obafemi up top then it's less critical because we have an in behind threat through the middle

That is no criticism of Jay Rod at all who has been fine when given service and has linked play well when dropping deeper.

I thought VK would be able to figure that one out though; Koleosho going off allowed them to push up and strangle us deeper which inevitably lead to the goal and then they sat off and we couldn't break them down.

Infuriating

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:00 pm

That's a bit harder.

We seem to go to pot whenever we concede a goal. No idea whether it’s a lack of confidence, belief, experience etc. Either way it’s a massive issue. Tonight was very much a Jekyll and Hyde performance - we barely put a decent move together after going behind.

We lost that goal and ultimately the game when James decided to not pick that ball up.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:05 pm

We seem to go to pot whenever we concede a goal. No idea whether it’s a lack of confidence, belief, experience etc. Either way it’s a massive issue. Tonight was very much a Jekyll and Hyde performance - we barely put a decent move together after going behind.

Nailed it.

Seemingly, after almost every match VK gets lambasted on here for his lack of tactical nous and shocking use of substitutes.
One would have hoped that those sitting in the dugout would be able to offer some advice and guidance. Perhaps they do but VK has the blinkers on and is too stubborn to change course from his preconceived plan.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:03 pm

If we have Jay up top we need in behind threats on our wings

If we have Foster/Obafemi up top then it's less critical because we have an in behind threat through the middle

That is no criticism of Jay Rod at all who has been fine when given service and has linked play well when dropping deeper.

I thought VK would be able to figure that one out though; Koleosho going off allowed them to push up and strangle us deeper which inevitably lead to the goal and then they sat off and we couldn't break them down.

Infuriating

Completely agree. But did we have that pace and threat in behind on the bench? Obviously we had more direct players than JBG but not sure there’s much that would have been able to adequately replace Koleosho. Scary how reliant we seem to be on a 19 year old.

Any substitution after that had to balance weakening the team whilst trying to get a stronger foothold in the game to try and score an equaliser.