Just thought I'd kick it off, any idea's anybody

Trafford
Vitinho O'Shea Beyer Delcroix
JBL Berge Brownhill Odobert
Amdouni
J Rod

Trafford
Vitinho O'Shea Beyer Roberts
Tresor Berge Brownhill Odobert
Amdouni
J Rod

Trafford
Roberts Ekdal (please) Beyer Vitinho
Larsen Brownhill Berge Odobert
Rodriguez Amdouni

-----------Trafford
Beyer OShea Ekdal Vitinho
JBG* Brownhill Berge Redmond
-------------Odobert
------------Rodriguez

I'd like the extra height and presence in the backline to help us defend set pieces, hence Beyer at full back (where he's played loads in the past I believe).

I also gather Odobert played as a 10 quite a lot in France. I don't think Amdouni has been pulling his weight so would replace with Redmond anyway, but Odobert didn't defend the back post well enough for me last week so playing Redmond in his best position off the left should offer slightly more discipline (especially with Vitinho occasionally suspect) whilst freeing Odobert up offensively.

*JBG easily swappable with Brunn Larsen.

Roberts must never be an option at LB again after the Spurs horror show

Trafford
Roberts Beyer. O’Shea. Vitinho
Brownhill. Berge
JBG. Amdouni. Odobert
Jay

Trafford
Beyer O'Shea Ekdal Delcroix
JBG Berge Brownhill
Amdouni J Rod Odobert

We need height, to control midfield and be in the game with 20 minutes left.

———————Trafford
Vitinho—O’Shea—Beyer——Delcroix
JBG——Berge——Brownhill—Odobert
————Amdouni—Rodriguez

Trafford
Roberts Ekdal Beyer Vitinho
Larsen Brownhill Berge Odobert
Amdouni
Rodriguez

--------Kosovan Mad Man
Vitinho-O'Shea-Ekdal-Delcroix
---------Berge-Brownhill
Amdouni---------------Trésor
--------Redmond---Jay

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:04 pm

--------Kosovan Mad Man
Vitinho-O'Shea-Ekdal-Delcroix
---------Berge-Brownhill
Amdouni---------------Trésor
--------Redmond---Jay

Your gonna keep banging that Muric drum arnt you haha

Muric
Roberts Ekdal Beyer Vitinho
Brownhill Berge
Bruun-Larsson Amdouni Odabert
Obafemi

Trafford
Roberts Beyer Ekdal Vitinho
JBL Brownhill Berge Odobert
Amdouni
Jay

Muric should have been in after the international break but he was ill and missed his chance.
It would be harsh to drop Trafford after a decent performance for his confidence.
Even though his poor distribution was a big part in Brighton just attacking us wave after wave.

Hopefully they have worked with him this week on it, about which areas we might win headers in.

Trafford
O Shea Ekdal Beyer Vitinho
Odobert Berge Brownhill Redmond
Amdouini Jay

I think O Shea was often used as right back at WBA. Failing that Roberts in and Ekdal out as VK seems to be loyal to O Shea.I think Redmond deserves a chance and will offer more than JBG who is too far off the pace for this Division

Ampth7 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:33 pm

Trafford
Roberts Beyer. O’Shea. Vitinho
Brownhill. Berge
JBG. Amdouni. Odobert
Jay

looks a good shout with that line up..

Whoever’s up against McNeil has a huge part to play I reckon.

Ampth7 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:09 am

Whoever’s up against McNeil has a huge part to play I reckon.

Agreed, along with who is marking Tarks at set pieces, which is why Ekdal needs to start.

It surely has to be Beyer and Ekdal in our starting defence. I still can't believe people favouring O'Shea above these two.

We won’t but against their power in MF I’d play a third proper MFer. SD has got them playing for him.

summitclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:14 am

Agreed, along with who is marking Tarks at set pieces, which is why Ekdal needs to start.

Tarkowski is destined to score even though he missed quite a few sitters for us from set pieces

JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:57 am

Tarkowski is destined to score even though he missed quite a few sitters for us from set pieces

It's more than that. He sets up others from set pieces. We need someone who can compete with him aerially and imo its only Ekdal.

We could do a sweep on which minute Everton get a corner, we load the near post with defenders and Tarkowski peels off to the far post for a free header

summitclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:22 pm

It's more than that. He sets up others from set pieces. We need someone who can compete with him aerially and imo its only Ekdal.

Don't think ekdal is quite good enough or match fit enough yet, only other option is Trafford and hope for a foul, I was never tarkowski's biggest fan but he's good enough to bag a couple from set pieces and corners given we're not the biggest side I'm wrong. Hopefully it could be the game that Trafford learns how to claim the ball in the air.

Ampth7 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:09 am

Whoever’s up against McNeil has a huge part to play I reckon.

Just cover his left foot and push him out wide right.

Simples

ANASS wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:25 am

It surely has to be Beyer and Ekdal in our starting defence. I still can't believe people favouring O'Shea above these two.

I wouldn’t say I’m favouring O’Shea, but I do think it’s who VK will pick. I’m also a big fan of Ekdal and would be delighted to see him start with Beyer.

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:03 pm

Just cover his left foot and push him out wide right.

Simples

Let’s hope so!

..........................Trafford
........Roberts. Ekdal... Beyer .Vitinho
.................Berge........... Brownhill
JBL............ Amdouni ...................Odobert
...................................Tresor

Although JRod is a dead cert for defending set pieces
And O Shae will be in for Ekdal

Trafford

O'Shea
Ekdal
Beyer
Vitinho

Larsen
Brownhill
Berge
Odobert

Amdouni
Jay Rod

Everton play a 4-4-1-1 so I'd push Beyer up into the hole behind the midfield to track Doucoure. Bring in Redmond on the right with Odobert on the left. Maintain the double pivot and keep Jay Rod up front as the out ball.

To be honest looking at it - I'm not impressed but then again with so many players out injured it all looks a bit threadbare.

-----------Trafford---------
Roberts O'Shea Ekdal Vitinho
------------Beyer------------
Redmond Berg Brownhill Odobert
----------Jay Rod-----------

summitclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:22 pm

It's more than that. He sets up others from set pieces. We need someone who can compete with him aerially and imo its only Ekdal.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Jay detailed to manage Tarkowski at set plays.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:15 pm

Wouldn't be surprised to see Jay detailed to manage Tarkowski at set plays.

With our zonal marking it will probably be a midget like vitiniho.

ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:04 pm

Everton play a 4-4-1-1 so I'd push Beyer up into the hole behind the midfield to track Doucoure. Bring in Redmond on the right with Odobert on the left. Maintain the double pivot and keep Jay Rod up front as the out ball.

To be honest looking at it - I'm not impressed but then again with so many players out injured it all looks a bit threadbare.

-----------Trafford---------
Roberts O'Shea Ekdal Vitinho
------------Beyer------------
Redmond Berg Brownhill Odobert
----------Jay Rod-----------

Actually forgot about JBG so maybe

-----Trafford---------
Roberts O'Shea Ekdal Vitinho
------------Beyer------------
JBG Berg Brownhill Redmond
----------Jay Rod-----------

A PL team with only one genuine left back ! That is criminal

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:26 pm

A PL team with only one genuine left back ! That is criminal

Hannes Piterson Delcroix (born 28 February 1999) is a professional footballer who plays as a centre-back or left-back for Premier League club Burnley. Born in Haiti, he represents the Belgium national team.

I'd like to see more of Trésor and Obafemi. Benson Redmond and Zaroury too. Delcroix should get a shot or let him go in the transfer window.

However last game we played very well so I would change as little as possible. JBG brings stability and experience even though he's not fast or skilled enough to be a winger at this level.

But let Tresor and Obafemi come in a bit sooner please. I feel they could add alot of quality to this team. They should start ahead of jay and JBG within some time.

Trafford
OShea Ekdal Beyer Delcroix
Zaroury Brownhill Berge Odobert
Jayrod Amoundi

——————Trafford——————
Vitinho—O’Shea—Beyer——Delcroix
JBG——Berge——Brownhill—Odobert
————Amdouni—Rodriguez

What surprises me is how O’Shea is doing in the stats, aerial duels he is leading the stats for the “non big 6” and he is also good at long ball stats and number of times dribbled past. I didn’t expect to see that.

Delcroix because I hate out of position players and that is the least out of position though he is a CB.

JBG because he knows Dwight inside and out.

ANASS wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:25 am

It surely has to be Beyer and Ekdal in our starting defence. I still can't believe people favouring O'Shea above these two.

Beyer is living on last seasons plaudits a bit for me and seems to have escaped a lot of criticism from some performances this year.

O'Shea rightly criticised to start the season but in fairness was partnering AAD who sadly has been miles off it.

I think O'Shea has really grown into his position and is one of the only defenders offering some sort of leadership quality and looks decent against crosses/set pieces.

For me the best our defense has operated was against Wolves, which incidentally did have O'Shea and Ekdal together and yes - O'Shea did make a mistake (along with Berge) to gift them a goal but that aside it is the most comfortable our defence has looked all season.

Against Brighton though Beyer performed well against Ferguson in the first half he faded in the second and I still believe is poor at defending set pieces.

Against Everton we need our two best defenders of set pieces playing/our two most physical CBs playing and for me that is O'Shea and Ekdal.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:58 am

——————Trafford——————
Vitinho—O’Shea—Beyer——Delcroix
JBG——Berge——Brownhill—Odobert
————Amdouni—Rodriguez

What surprises me is how O’Shea is doing in the stats, aerial duels he is leading the stats for the “non big 6” and he is also good at long ball stats and number of times dribbled past. I didn’t expect to see that.

Delcroix because I hate out of position players and that is the least out of position though he is a CB.

JBG because he knows Dwight inside and out.

Think you’re probable right with that forecast.

Stick with same as last week plus Delcroix at left back

Bottom 5 after today COULD be

Forest 14
Everton 13
Burnley 11
Luton 9
Sheff U 8

Gotta think positive

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:03 am

Bottom 5 after today COULD be

Forest 14
Everton 13
Burnley 11
Luton 9
Sheff U 8

Gotta think positive

And our future in own hands, apart from overcoming a minus 4 gd over Forest.

summitclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:10 am

And our future in own hands, apart from overcoming a minus 4 gd over Forest.

And we still have Forest and Luton to play at home

As good as he was against Brighton I think Odobert back to the bench for me, and Obefemi in for Jrod if he's fit.

Trafford
Vitinho
Ekdal
Beyer
Delcroix
Berge
Brownhill
Larsen
Tresor
Amdouni
Obefemi

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:58 am

——————Trafford——————
Vitinho—O’Shea—Beyer——Delcroix
JBG——Berge——Brownhill—Odobert
————Amdouni—Rodriguez

What surprises me is how O’Shea is doing in the stats, aerial duels he is leading the stats for the “non big 6” and he is also good at long ball stats and number of times dribbled past. I didn’t expect to see that.

Delcroix because I hate out of position players and that is the least out of position though he is a CB.

JBG because he knows Dwight inside and out.

O'Shea is becoming more and more dominant in the air. This is also something Kompany is always working on. High pressure up front causing the opponent yo play a long ball and then win those aerial battles. O'Shea is made for that. On the ball he's also improving with some great long distance passes.

He's a great hard working intelligent lad, perfect for VK to mold into a decent defender.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:19 am

Beyer is living on last seasons plaudits a bit for me and seems to have escaped a lot of criticism from some performances this year.

O'Shea rightly criticised to start the season but in fairness was partnering AAD who sadly has been miles off it.

I think O'Shea has really grown into his position and is one of the only defenders offering some sort of leadership quality and looks decent against crosses/set pieces.

For me the best our defense has operated was against Wolves, which incidentally did have O'Shea and Ekdal together and yes - O'Shea did make a mistake (along with Berge) to gift them a goal but that aside it is the most comfortable our defence has looked all season.

Against Brighton though Beyer performed well against Ferguson in the first half he faded in the second and I still believe is poor at defending set pieces.

Against Everton we need our two best defenders of set pieces playing/our two most physical CBs playing and for me that is O'Shea and Ekdal.

I agree on that... Except for maybe one game I've been mostly disappointed with Beyer. Doesn't really impress on or off the ball. He looks like he's struggling. Ekdal gave a good impression, very good on the ball.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:58 am

——————Trafford——————
Vitinho—O’Shea—Beyer——Delcroix
JBG——Berge——Brownhill—Odobert
————Amdouni—Rodriguez

What surprises me is how O’Shea is doing in the stats, aerial duels he is leading the stats for the “non big 6” and he is also good at long ball stats and number of times dribbled past. I didn’t expect to see that.

Delcroix because I hate out of position players and that is the least out of position though he is a CB.

JBG because he knows Dwight inside and out.

I suspect that will be the team (ish) and I could be wrong but that team is classic to play to Everton's strengths.

We've got a midfield four against Onana, Garner, Harrison, Mc Neil and Doucoure.

And Amdouni and Jay Rod against a side that is quite happy to sit in banks of four in their own half and break quickly on either side with Harrison, Mc Neil, Doucoure and Calvert- Lewin.

With Cullen, Kolosheo and Foster we could try to outplay Everton with a Brownhill/Cullen double Pivot and Berge pushing on with Foster and Kolosheo but I don't think we have a squad capable of playing as we have against a team that has a midfield currently scoring for fun and a deep lying number 10 scoring every three games.

I think a Plan B could be useful today....!

I don't think we have a Plan B. We've struggled with formulating a Plan A for most of the season