Obefemi

[warksclaret]

Why did we sign this guy, and now not playing him ??? We have lost Foster for two months, Jay is looking his age and looks slow and disinterested with only one goal and one pen to show for a number of chances and half chances. I am not saying Obefemi is the answer to our goal shortage, and I know he has been recovering from injury for a big chunk of the season, but surely he is worth more than a total of around 20 minutes all season. Whenever I have seen him he looks a genuine trier, keeps running and tries to get into good positions. If there is no chance of playing him we could have saved his fee and wages

[claretonthecoast1882]

The injury and following operation might have had something to do with him not being available

[Vino blanco]

He’s proper poorly at the moment. I’ve asked him to text you via the club when he is feeling a bit better.

[Boss Hogg]

Think he’s just been injured. He has looked promising and a threat when I’ve seen him. As for saving fees and wages I give you Tresor and Ramsey but there are probably others.

[KRBFC]

I know Rodriguez isn’t very good but we seriously want to start with Obafemi when he’s got a serious hamstring injury that requires surgery?

[warksclaret]

I know Rodriguez isn’t very good but we seriously want to start with Obafemi when he’s got a serious hamstring injury that requires surgery?

Sorry-have I missed something. I know he had a serious hamstring injury playing for wales about 8 months ago-has he had another one ?. He has been on the bench for most of the last 4-5 games,and you would assume he is back to fitness, and sureley VK would not have him on the bench if not 100%. Against Wolves, Arsenal and Everton we were behind in all 3 from the first half and he got a sum of 5 minutes

[warksclaret]

The injury and following operation might have had something to do with him not being available

The injury I am well aware of-that was last season playing for his country. He has been on the bench for most of the last 5 games,and played several times for the U-21, so you assume he is ready to feature again

[StayingDown4Ever]

It’s a sad state of affairs when Rodriguez is the best option we have to lead the line in this division.

[bumba]

The injury I am well aware of-that was last season playing for his country. He has been on the bench for most of the last 5 games,and played several times for the U-21, so you assume he is ready to feature again

He hasn't been on the bench the last two games, he came on against Sheff Utd then nothing so must of picked up a niggle. He didn't it playing for Ireland.
But I agree when fit he needs to start up top

[NewClaret]

He hasn't been on the bench the last two games, he came on against Sheff Utd then nothing so must of picked up a niggle. He didn't it playing for Ireland.
But I agree when fit he needs to start up top

Again, I imagine the reason he doesn’t play is height and JRod being better at defending set pieces. Which goodness knows we need.

[Cheshireclaret]

Sorry-have I missed something. I know he had a serious hamstring injury playing for wales about 8 months ago-has he had another one ?. He has been on the bench for most of the last 4-5 games,and you would assume he is back to fitness, and sureley VK would not have him on the bench if not 100%. Against Wolves, Arsenal and Everton we were behind in all 3 from the first half and he got a sum of 5 minutes

You've definitely missed something - he plays for The Republic of Ireland, not Wales. He also would have struggled to get any minutes against Wolves - he wasn't even on the bench.

[NewClaret]

It’s a sad state of affairs when Rodriguez is the best option we have to lead the line in this division.

That it is, but I think it’s worth remembering:

1. We intended it to be Foster, maybe Obafemi. Both have been out for reasons known.

2. We’re a squad in transition. Dyche left us Weghorst who didn’t want to be here, certainly not in the Championship, Barnes, JRod and Vydra (out of contract) - so basically Barnes and JRod. Thats a criminal situation to be left in, imo (not all the managers fault most probably). But its the facts of how things were left and replacing them all at once is not likely to be possible.

3. Not only are we a squad in transition, we’re straddling between a Championship and Premiership squad. It’s quite clear that most of last years signings (in the £1-£3m mark) were not bought for the Prem. So we had to rebuild a team last season capable of being competitive in that league and then basically start again.

Before you say that we spent money last season when we had other priorities, I agree. I’m just saying there is some additional context to consider.

[dougcollins]

Wasn't he injured when we took him?

Never bodes well.

[jojomk1]

Again, I imagine the reason he doesn’t play is height and JRod being better at defending set pieces. Which goodness knows we need.

So he is small and not good at defending set pieces ?

Never started a league game for us, even when fit and in the Championship - started cup games in weakened sides

Last time I saw him start in a league game he was playing for Swansea against us season before last

We hammered them 4-0 I think and he was hooked after about 60 mins

Another one for the future

[Nori1958]

That it is, but I think it’s worth remembering:

1. We intended it to be Foster, maybe Obafemi. Both have been out for reasons known.

2. We’re a squad in transition. Dyche left us Weghorst who didn’t want to be here, certainly not in the Championship, Barnes, JRod and Vydra (out of contract) - so basically Barnes and JRod. Thats a criminal situation to be left in, imo (not all the managers fault most probably). But its the facts of how things were left and replacing them all at once is not likely to be possible.

3. Not only are we a squad in transition, we’re straddling between a Championship and Premiership squad. It’s quite clear that most of last years signings (in the £1-£3m mark) were not bought for the Prem. So we had to rebuild a team last season capable of being competitive in that league and then basically start again.

Before you say that we spent money last season when we had other priorities, I agree. I’m just saying there is some additional context to consider.

Agreed 100%.......but get your tin hat ready, they'll be along shortly

[Westleigh]

I know Rodriguez isn’t very good but we seriously want to start with Obafemi when he’s got a serious hamstring injury that requires surgery?

KRBFC getting his facts wrong again,what a suprise.

[Woodleyclaret]

Jay had been one of best players in the last few games scoring twice.Again we have the nonsense of slagging him off despite his 100% effort

[bumba]

I know Rodriguez isn’t very good but we seriously want to start with Obafemi when he’s got a serious hamstring injury that requires surgery?

Recovered and played a few times since injury and surgery but hey disregard fact

[Bosscat]

Another thread descending into a "Willy waving" contest

[Goliath]

That it is, but I think it’s worth remembering:

1. We intended it to be Foster, maybe Obafemi. Both have been out for reasons known.

2. We’re a squad in transition. Dyche left us Weghorst who didn’t want to be here, certainly not in the Championship, Barnes, JRod and Vydra (out of contract) - so basically Barnes and JRod. Thats a criminal situation to be left in, imo (not all the managers fault most probably). But its the facts of how things were left and replacing them all at once is not likely to be possible.

3. Not only are we a squad in transition, we’re straddling between a Championship and Premiership squad. It’s quite clear that most of last years signings (in the £1-£3m mark) were not bought for the Prem. So we had to rebuild a team last season capable of being competitive in that league and then basically start again.

Before you say that we spent money last season when we had other priorities, I agree. I’m just saying there is some additional context to consider.

How was Dyche to know that Weghorst would be kicking up a fuss within 3 months. Also Cornet played upfront when he was fit so we actually had 5 strikers when everyone was available.

We also had quite a lot of money available if wed stayed up to regenerate the squad. So wed have had Cornet Weghorst and probably two more to come in. I thought that was fine personally, id prefer us to let older plays go on a free when the time is right so we can regenerate the squad. Like palace did when Viera came in.
If wed stayed up we would have been in a really good position to push on with Kompany, partly due Garlicks takeover induced neglicence in reegards to signings, granted.

[Dark Cloud]

I do kind of get where the op is coming from in that we seem to have loads of these players who are perennially injured and rather frustratingly seem to be on the brink of a return for months and months whereby they appear on the bench from time to time, don't actually kick a ball and then somehow disappear injured again. Obefemi is just one of a pretty large group.

[Stayingup]

Think he’s just been injured. He has looked promising and a threat when I’ve seen him. As for saving fees and wages I give you Tresor and Ramsey but there are probably others.

Trevor yes. Possibly our most expensive outfield player and got about two minutes on Saturday.

[equinox]

He was bought for the Championship, he'll be useful next year then.

[claret2018]

Not sure how anyone on here can defend Rodriguez. Yes he does his best but he was barely a PL standard player at his peak, which was the best part of a decade ago.

[equinox]

Show some respect to one of the towns greatest son's.

[claret2018]

Show some respect to one of the towns greatest son's.

If he wasn’t from Burnley the fans would hate him now.

[Westleigh]

Not sure how anyone on here can defend Rodriguez. Yes he does his best but he was barely a PL standard player at his peak, which was the best part of a decade ago.

Agree with what your saying about Jay Rod but he definitely was a Premier League player ,picked for England then had a terrible injury that put paid to his International career .

[nil_desperandum]

He hasn't been on the bench the last two games, he came on against Sheff Utd then nothing so must of picked up a niggle. He didn't it playing for Ireland.

To say he "wasn't" a sub on Saturday he certainly spent a lot of time running up and down the touchline in his kit and training top.
In fact he probably did more running on Saturday than several of our on-field players!
He should have been given at least 25 minutes when we were 2-0 down, and if he's not fit enough to play for 25 minutes then he shouldn't be on the bench.

[Goliath]

Not sure how anyone on here can defend Rodriguez. Yes he does his best but he was barely a PL standard player at his peak, which was the best part of a decade ago.

Disrespectful nonsense. He would have ended up going to spurs with Pochettino for about 30 mill if he hadnt had the knee injury. He was fantastic technically, strong as an oxe and pretty rapid on top of that. Its a close fight between Ings and Jay Rod for best forward ive seen in a Burnley shirt with Steven Fletcher and Charlie Austin not too far behind

[Burnleyareback2]

That it is, but I think it’s worth remembering:

1. We intended it to be Foster, maybe Obafemi. Both have been out for reasons known.

2. We’re a squad in transition. Dyche left us Weghorst who didn’t want to be here, certainly not in the Championship, Barnes, JRod and Vydra (out of contract) - so basically Barnes and JRod. Thats a criminal situation to be left in, imo (not all the managers fault most probably). But its the facts of how things were left and replacing them all at once is not likely to be possible.

3. Not only are we a squad in transition, we’re straddling between a Championship and Premiership squad. It’s quite clear that most of last years signings (in the £1-£3m mark) were not bought for the Prem. So we had to rebuild a team last season capable of being competitive in that league and then basically start again.

Before you say that we spent money last season when we had other priorities, I agree. I’m just saying there is some additional context to consider.

Don’t mention Vydra- I think there is finally an amnesty where the head cases who think he was a footballer don’t post on here anymore.

[CnBtruntru]

The injury and following operation might have had something to do with him not being available

Aye it's not rocket science is it

[Steve1956]

Aye it's not rocket science is it

Dunno

[StayingDown4Ever]

Agree with what your saying about Jay Rod but he definitely was a Premier League player ,picked for England then had a terrible injury that put paid to his International career .

Yeah years ago before he got injured again.

Then we reward him with another extended contract? Madness.

[warksclaret]

Show some respect to one of the towns greatest son's.

No doubting Jay's brilliance at a younger age but he's 33 now. When Michael Keane gets MOM and widely applauded by pundits for his performance Saturday, you appreciate that Jay in today's game offers little. Doubt if Tarks & Keane get an easier game

[KRBFC]

KRBFC getting his facts wrong again,what a suprise.

He got a hamstring injury for Ireland which kept him out for four months and needed surgery, which is obviously why he hasn’t been playing for us for the majority of this season. Which part did I get wrong?

[bumba]

To say he "wasn't" a sub on Saturday he certainly spent a lot of time running up and down the touchline in his kit and training top.
In fact he probably did more running on Saturday than several of our on-field players!
He should have been given at least 25 minutes when we were 2-0 down, and if he's not fit enough to play for 25 minutes then he shouldn't be on the bench.

Yes sorry meant Brighton and Wolves games after Sheffield Utd

[jrgbfc]

Jay being a guaranteed starter is obviously far from ideal, but he's getting no help whatsoever from Amdouni, who just seems to aimlessly float around the pitch doing whatever he wants.

[ClaretTony]

Jay being a guaranteed starter is obviously far from ideal, but he's getting no help whatsoever from Amdouni, who just seems to aimlessly float around the pitch doing whatever he wants.

100% - Amdouni is of no help to anyone, for the life of me I can't see how he's getting in the team week after week.

[ClaretTony]

Dyche left us Weghorst who didn’t want to be here

I don't think any fingers can be pointed at Dyche for that one - I very much doubt that Dyche would have ever signed Weghorst

[ClaretTony]

Not sure how anyone on here can defend Rodriguez. Yes he does his best but he was barely a PL standard player at his peak, which was the best part of a decade ago.

At his best he was international standard and would have been going to the World Cup in Brazil. Then he lost just about two years of his career to the worst injury a footballer can have followed by an illness that was close to taking his life. He'd have been a Spurs player but for that injury too. Jay was an outstanding Premier League footballer.

[ClaretTony]

My thoughts with some facts on Obafemi

The fact is he's only just returning from injury which he suffered playing for Rep of Ireland during the summer. But he returned to the squad only to suffer another injury after the Sheffield United game which kept him out of the squad for both Wolves and Brighton. He returned against Everton but wasn't used.

My thoughts - I'm baffled. We tried to sign him in the summer of 2022 so you would assume he's a player who was very much wanted by the manager. We finally got him in January but he is still to start a league game for us. Not once did he start last season, not even after the post promotion tinkering in games against such as Reading, Rotherham, QPR & Bristol City.

[gandhisflipflop]

At his best he was international standard and would have been going to the World Cup in Brazil. Then he lost just about two years of his career to the worst injury a footballer can have followed by an illness that was close to taking his life. He'd have been a Spurs player but for that injury too. Jay was an outstanding Premier League footballer.

Let’s not rewrite history here. He made his England debut not long before the World Cup against chile, and as you say, suffered a very bad injury followed by a serious illness. However, the striking options at the time were very limited. He was a decent/good premier league player at his peak yes - outstanding? That is pushing it to the extreme.

[spt_claret]

Disrespectful nonsense. He would have ended up going to spurs with Pochettino for about 30 mill if he hadnt had the knee injury. He was fantastic technically, strong as an oxe and pretty rapid on top of that. Its a close fight between Ings and Jay Rod for best forward ive seen in a Burnley shirt with Steven Fletcher and Charlie Austin not too far behind

Jay is very very past it now and surviving on his club connection but I agree with the rest of this.
Him and Ings had very similar unfortunate injuries, Ings was and is the better player for me both at his peak and after his injuries but it's such a shame what happened to them both. Jay would have been in Callum Wilson, DCL, Tammy Abraham etcs spot as a regular England understudy and Ings would have rode Vardy for the role of Kane's partner. Could only dream of having them both with us in their prime and injury free.

[ClaretTony]

Let’s not rewrite history here. He made his England debut not long before the World Cup against chile, and as you say, suffered a very bad injury followed by a serious illness. However, the striking options at the time were very limited. He was a decent/good premier league player at his peak yes - outstanding? That is pushing it to the extreme.

Not for me, I'll stick with outstanding.

[gandhisflipflop]

Disrespectful nonsense. He would have ended up going to spurs with Pochettino for about 30 mill if he hadnt had the knee injury. He was fantastic technically, strong as an oxe and pretty rapid on top of that. Its a close fight between Ings and Jay Rod for best forward ive seen in a Burnley shirt with Steven Fletcher and Charlie Austin not too far behind

Steven Fletcher? Really? He wouldn’t even be in my top 10.

[elwaclaret]

Let’s not rewrite history here. He made his England debut not long before the World Cup against chile, and as you say, suffered a very bad injury followed by a serious illness. However, the striking options at the time were very limited. He was a decent/good premier league player at his peak yes - outstanding? That is pushing it to the extreme.

If you think of the number of positions he could fill at the highest level - the pace to play wide, the strength to play 10 and the guile to play 9 or fill in in midfield… I go with Tony, Jay was exceptional, far more than decent/good. For a time a Southampton he was scary to watch and would have gone on to get many more honours but for the injuries and illness.
If we could find another pacy workhorse to play alongside him Jay would look a different player still.

[ClaretOfMancunia]

If he wasn’t from Burnley the fans would hate him now.

And if my nan had wheels she'd be a bike.

[Goliath]

Steven Fletcher? Really? He wouldn’t even be in my top 10.

I think hes the most underrated Burnley player ive seen wear the shirt. Absolutely fantastic targetman with a perfect touch and a big goal threat. His first season at this level and he was our best player, got about 9 goals in a struggling side then was flying at Wolves and Sunderland but injuries ended his hopes of getting to the top.
Theres a reason teams like Real Madrid and Marseille were sniffing around him at different points of his career

[Goliath]

My thoughts with some facts on Obafemi

The fact is he's only just returning from injury which he suffered playing for Rep of Ireland during the summer. But he returned to the squad only to suffer another injury after the Sheffield United game which kept him out of the squad for both Wolves and Brighton. He returned against Everton but wasn't used.

My thoughts - I'm baffled. We tried to sign him in the summer of 2022 so you would assume he's a player who was very much wanted by the manager. We finally got him in January but he is still to start a league game for us. Not once did he start last season, not even after the post promotion tinkering in games against such as Reading, Rotherham, QPR & Bristol City.

Think we have to remember here that he was signed with this season in mind, he hadnt played for Swansea all season when we got him, not sure hed even trained much and Kompany constantly referred to him not being fit.
He has similar attributes to Foster so I think he had clearly seen a need for pace and power up front in the Premier League and thats what he was building towards.

He then got injured again in summer so has basically now gone about 18 months without really playing any football.

[nil_desperandum]

All the stuff posted over the past 24 hours re: Obafemi, and his injuries clarifies the situation to a large extent, but if he's on the bench, you're playing at home and 2-0 down, and at no point do you bring him on, then it's very reasonable to ask questions of the manager.
(A manager who I still support long-term by the way)