Us ,Sheff Utd ,and Luton,we’ve thought about Everton,Bournemouth,Crystal Pal,and Nottingham Forest but none of them seem to want to join us ,any suggestions?

Sorry I'm a bit lost, are you asking who we think the bottom three might be come the end of the season? So who our competitors are now realistically?

Ignore it

Yawn

Forrest are the only ones we stand a chance of catching.

whiffa wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:19 pm

Sorry I'm a bit lost, are you asking who we think the bottom three might be come the end of the season? So who our competitors are now realistically?

Yep

I'd say anyone from Palace down (excluding Everton) we have a chance of catching/have the chance of joining us in the bottom three, we're not even half way through the season yet.

whiffa wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:37 pm

I'd say anyone from Palace down (excluding Everton) we have a chance of catching/have the chance of joining us in the bottom three, we're not even half way through the season yet.

That’s would be a remarkable turn of events catch some of them clubs

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:48 pm

That’s would be a remarkable turn of events catch some of them clubs

Unfortunately a team has got to have a worse 2nd half to the season than we’ve had to the first.

Are we capable of improving enough to bring other sides into it?

On current evidence that's a clear No

We’ll struggle to match Palace’s 18 points that they’ve got already.

Look at it this way, we need 8 wins from the 21 games we have left (we’ve won 8 of our last 45 at this level), not happening.

May as well just accept relegation now and look forward to next season. We’ll bounce back with Kompany and most of the squad we already have.

whiffa wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:37 pm

I'd say anyone from Palace down (excluding Everton) we have a chance of catching/have the chance of joining us in the bottom three, we're not even half way through the season yet.

Have you been on the whiffa?

bumba wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:28 pm

Have you been on the whiffa?

Wolves were bottom last year and survived comfortably, the year before it was Newcastle.

All it takes is for a side to put a little run together, 3 or 4 wins from 6 games and suddenly it looks a whole lot different. We might not look like doing that right now but navigate these 3 tough Christmas fixtures, bring a couple of players in January and who knows?

We almost survived under Jackson when Dyche had won 1 game from the start of the season until February. It was mid Feb when we picked up our second win of the season

Forest are our only hope. Lets hope they dont sign a good striker in January

It will take a minor miracle for us to stay up.

We are done

"...any suggestions?"

Pray.

We have a chance, it might go 'til the last game v Forest.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:48 pm

That’s would be a remarkable turn of events catch some of them clubs

bumba wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:28 pm

Have you been on the whiffa?

I'm trying to remain optimistic, it's still mathematically possible for any of those teams to have a shocking run

I think we will finish bottom...I cannot see one position on the pitch where we have a proper Premier league player ...two or three young players with potential but it is a bit desperate at the moment

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:20 pm

Ignore it

I think it's Westleigh in disguise , so yes, ignore

whiffa wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:02 am

I'm trying to remain optimistic, it's still mathematically possible for any of those teams to have a shocking run

Believe me I was being as optimistic as anyone but we are gone I’m sure now. Playing a Fulham side who are playing as good as anyone right now, ten men loss last week was a blip it seems. Then Liverpool Boxing Day! It’s hardly an Einstein prediction but I can see 0 points over Xmas with villa away having won 16 in a row at home.

If we go down, I think we'll be midtable next season.

Goliath wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:48 pm

Forest are our only hope. Lets hope they dont sign a good striker in January

They may do a Newcastle and sign one of ours.

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:28 am

If we go down, I think we'll be midtable next season.

We have just smashed our main promotion rival from last season 5-0 and you think we would be mid table?

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:28 am

If we go down, I think we'll be midtable next season.

As a guide to this Rovers are mid table and have lost 11 out of 22 games this season.

We have lost 14 of our last 138 games in that division, the 3 that came down last season are in the top 4

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:28 am

If we go down, I think we'll be midtable next season.

That's the spirit.

Remember after about 5 games when loads of stupid fools were saying Everton had already taken one of the relegation spots?

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:47 am

Remember after about 5 games when loads of stupid fools were saying Everton had already taken one of the relegation spots?

Yep I remember at the start of the season saying Everton will be comfortable mid table and got dogs abuse from the usual crew.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:10 am

Yep I remember at the start of the season saying Everton will be comfortable mid table and got dogs abuse from the usual crew.

Probably the same guys who were saying we would be challenging for Europe

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:34 pm

Wolves were bottom last year and survived comfortably, the year before it was Newcastle.

All it takes is for a side to put a little run together, 3 or 4 wins from 6 games and suddenly it looks a whole lot different. We might not look like doing that right now but navigate these 3 tough Christmas fixtures, bring a couple of players in January and who knows?

We almost survived under Jackson when Dyche had won 1 game from the start of the season until February. It was mid Feb when we picked up our second win of the season

I get that but Dyche's team had some fight in them the players put it all on the line, I just don't see that in this lot.
The style we are playing this season is also boring to watch meaning the atmosphere doesn't build because people are being drained

bumba wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:19 am

I get that but Dyche's team had some fight in them the players put it all on the line, I just don't see that in this lot.
The style we are playing this season is also boring to watch meaning the atmosphere doesn't build because people are being drained

He also fails to mention the critical factor in them two clubs staying up was a managerial change

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:19 pm

He also fails to mention the critical factor in them two clubs staying up was a managerial change

And some big money spent on some very good signings, I bet the gap wasn't as big either?
We've been linked for a 20 year old right back on loan from Liverpool who was playing at Bolton last season, I'm sure that'll solve our defensive issues

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:37 am

That's the spirit.

Quite possibly as we will lose our best players. How could we afford to keep them. Any way, I said IF we go down. We may not yet.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:49 pm

It will take a minor miracle for us to stay up.

Minor miracle? I would say we need a miracle of biblical proportions to stay up.

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:07 pm

Quite possibly as we will lose our best players. How could we afford to keep them. Any way, I said IF we go down. We may not yet.

Best players? How many of those have we got that we could sell for any profit, or at least what we paid for them?

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:44 pm

Best players? How many of those have we got that we could sell for any profit, or at least what we paid for them?

Not many, if any. But if we have to sell, and I don't know whether we will have to, we would have to sell for a loss.

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:54 pm

Not many, if any. But if we have to sell, and I don't know whether we will have to, we would have to sell for a loss.

Not many will sell for profit? Just to name a few who will….

Muric 2m, Al Dakhil 2.5m, Benson 1.5m, Zaroury 2m, McNally 1.5m, Vitinho 1m, Foster 8m, Odobert 9m, Koleosho 3.5m, Berge 13m, Massengo free

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:10 am

Yep I remember at the start of the season saying Everton will be comfortable mid table and got dogs abuse from the usual crew.

Well done.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:39 pm

Not many will sell for profit? Just to name a few who will….

Muric 2m, Al Dakhil 2.5m, Benson 1.5m, Zaroury 2m, McNally 1.5m, Vitinho 1m, Foster 8m, Odobert 9m, Koleosho 3.5m, Berge 13m, Massengo free

We might struggle with Muric.. City have a 50% sell on fee

Nottingham County.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:34 pm

Wolves were bottom last year and survived comfortably, the year before it was Newcastle.

Wolves sacked Bruno Lage replacing him with Lopetegui and made some major signings in the January window one of whom was Cunha. Can’t see Kompany getting the Heave Ho nor the club spending big money next month.

kentonclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:33 pm

Wolves sacked Bruno Lage replacing him with Lopetegui and made some major signings in the January window one of whom was Cunha. Can’t see Kompany getting the Heave Ho nor the club spending big money next month.

I know the circumstances of those two clubs just highlighting it’s not set in stone at Christmas, just need to put a good run together somewhere before the end of the season. I don’t see the club spending big either but I don’t think we’re a million miles away, 2 or 3 key additions could make a huge difference.


I think this January will be a busy one in general, with the Euros coming up I can see a lot of players leaving on loan deals for game time to try and get in their national teams. We can hopefully benefit from that.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:40 pm

I know the circumstances of those two clubs just highlighting it’s not set in stone at Christmas, just need to put a good run together somewhere before the end of the season. I don’t see the club spending big either but I don’t think we’re a million miles away, 2 or 3 key additions could make a huge difference.


I think this January will be a busy one in general, with the Euros coming up I can see a lot of players leaving on loan deals for game time to try and get in their national teams. We can hopefully benefit from that.

A couple of interesting stats, a premier league club has never survived relegation when being bottom of the table at Christmas and on single figure points.

Funnily enough no team has ever survived with single figure points at Christmas.

There has only been four times in premier league history when a team that is bottom at Christmas avoided relegation.

So unless we pick up a win this weekend the above stats suggest it’s pretty much already done.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:01 pm

A couple of interesting stats, a premier league club has never survived relegation when being bottom of the table at Christmas and on single figure points.

Funnily enough no team has ever survived with single figure points at Christmas.

There has only been four times in premier league history when a team that is bottom at Christmas avoided relegation.

So unless we pick up a win this weekend the above stats suggest it’s pretty much already done.

Yes because previous seasons are taken into the equation when deciding the outcome of this season

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:28 am

If we go down, I think we'll be midtable next season.

You been smoking?

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:03 pm

Yes because previous seasons are taken into the equation when deciding the outcome of this season

No, but previous season outcomes will mean that the odds won’t be in our favour, which let’s face it, they already aren’t.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:03 pm

Yes because previous seasons are taken into the equation when deciding the outcome of this season

Yes but 31 seasons of data can’t be ignored.

The stats are there, I’m not suggesting Burnley can’t be the outliers. All I am saying is in 31 seasons no other team has stayed up with less than 10 points at Christmas.

I think relegation has almost been accepted already, certainly on the pitch. There wasn't a single hard tackle against Everton, which if not was a must win, it certainly was a don't get beaten.

I'm not a rumour starter for attention, I'm a 50 year old guy but I've had it on pretty good authority that if the team have a disastrous Christmas, VKs position could be looked at.

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:37 am

I think relegation has almost been accepted already, certainly on the pitch. There wasn't a single hard tackle against Everton, which if not was a must win, it certainly was a don't get beaten.

I'm not a rumour starter for attention, I'm a 50 year old guy but I've had it on pretty good authority that if the team have a disastrous Christmas, VKs position could be looked at.

If we finish rock bottom of the PL (11/1 before a ball was kicked) behind Sheffield United and Luton then it would not surprise anybody if the position of VK was to come under close scrutiny. Difficult to claim that we are improving and moving forwards if we are trailing in the wake of the other 2 promoted clubs.