Oh dear , how can a good tackle lead to a second yellow ?

Mr Jones has a habit of getting things wrong at the City Ground.

Poor Referee

This is a referee who not only makes wrong calls week after week, but does it with such glee and arrogance.

He’s an officious knob.

Jones is horrific but it also highlights the need for a second yellow leading to a red to go to VAR. I think he was the ref at Leeds for off when he got 99.9% of things wrong. He is the poorest ref in the PL imho

I’ve only been half watching it but they seemed full of praise for TAA in the Liverpool game - didn’t I see him miss a great chance to win it when Liverpool had about three men over on a counter attack?

Luton are looking like a very dangerous side now.

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:04 pm

Luton are looking like a very dangerous side now.

They make very good use of all their dead-ball opportunities.

Yep Barkley adds some class to them as well. Hed be back in the England squad if it was up to me

Luton at Bramall Lane on Tuesday, great chance for them, they look good (though Newcastle are burnt out).

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:04 pm

Luton are looking like a very dangerous side now.

there were a few Luton fans on the radio a couple of weeks ago saying he was only on a 6 month contract and they were concerned he'd be off in January given his form. I can't find confirmation either way

We're on.

Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?

Two excellent finishes.

Wonderful finishes and well deserved 3 points

Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm

Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?

massively, playing with confidence. If he carries on others will be looking at him

Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm

Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?

Shock horror, playing with better players makes you play better.

I think it's the manager who's stepped up a level, and now doesn't have McNeil just running up and down the wing like a headless chicken.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:45 pm

Jones is horrific but it also highlights the need for a second yellow leading to a red to go to VAR. I think he was the ref at Leeds for off when he got 99.9% of things wrong. He is the poorest ref in the PL imho

Comes across as arrogant pompous sod,hasn’t a clue but he’ll probably go right to the top.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:45 pm

Jones is horrific but it also highlights the need for a second yellow leading to a red to go to VAR. I think he was the ref at Leeds for off when he got 99.9% of things wrong. He is the poorest ref in the PL imho

But what if the 2nd yellow is correct, and the 1st was wrong. Do you check every yellow? Or just go back to review the first if they also receive a 2nd yellow... And what about the yellows that are an accumulation of things, rather than a single event? Minefield

Could just scrap VAR

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:31 pm

there were a few Luton fans on the radio a couple of weeks ago saying he was only on a 6 month contract and they were concerned he'd be off in January given his form. I can't find confirmation either way

Ive no idea but if it were true i think youd have about 15 prem teams queing up for him so i doubt it.
If hes available on the cheap hed be a very good addition for United. Id be surprised if they werent sniffing around Solanke at Bournemouth as well

Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm

Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?

He looks a lot fitter now, at the that age where your body has grown as much as it can naturally.

But by playing with better players the opposition back off him, for us they surrounded him.

That does sound like a logistical nightmare tbf.

I think, personally, the only way we’ll ever see a review for a yellow is if they introduce sin bins - like rugby.

And that wont happen.

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:51 pm

But what if the 2nd yellow is correct, and the 1st was wrong. Do you check every yellow? Or just go back to review the first if they also receive a 2nd yellow... And what about the yellows that are an accumulation of things, rather than a single event? Minefield

Could just scrap VAR

I agree, I'd get rid

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:46 pm

massively, playing with confidence. If he carries on others will be looking at him

Hope Southgate is one of them

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:03 am

He looks a lot fitter now, at the that age where your body has grown as much as it can naturally.

But by playing with better players the opposition back off him, for us they surrounded him.

If he'd have had any other manager than Dyche im not sure hed have made it. Always had wonderful technique, but never looked too have the natural stamina you'd expect from a young player, still doesn't tbh. He's always absolutely blowing but having Dyche on him constantly has made him into a very good PL player.
Lampard didnt have a clue what to do with him.

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:41 pm

Poor Referee

Agreed!........He thinks it's all about him. Horrible referee.

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:56 am

Agreed!........He thinks it's all about him. Horrible referee.

Dreadful performance as usual, no doubt the red card will be overturned but that doesn't give back 67 minutes of the game on equal footing. Surely something has to be in place where the VAR can say "Mate you have a sick hair cut but that was a terrible decision, never a second yellow, overturn it and get on with the game"

addisclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 24, 2023 1:08 am

Dreadful performance as usual, no doubt the red card will be overturned but that doesn't give back 67 minutes of the game on equal footing. Surely something has to be in place where the VAR can say "Mate you have a sick hair cut but that was a terrible decision, never a second yellow, overturn it and get on with the game"

can't be overturned can it ? 2 yellows

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:57 am

can't be overturned can it ? 2 yellows

I think it can be overturned. If it was a straight red and backed up with VAR then I don't think it can but I think they can ask for the second yellow to be rescinded and just add one yellow to his disciplinary record.

Really hope so because that was as bad a decision as Ben Mee getting wiped out and Ash scoring from the rebound and not getting either a goal or a pen from it.

But same clown in charge and seems to be one of the preferred ones these days for top games along with Paul "I can't make a decision to save my life" Tierney.

He’s a shocking referee is Jones, it’s all about him.

The big problem with Jones (apart from him mincing around the pitch and struggling to keep up with play) is that on the big and crucial decisions he never gives himself any thinking time to assess the situation. He's simply not learning or not being pulled up on. You watch him he does it virtually every single game he's in the centre for and he's been doing it for years. It's quite a simple thing to correct too but Jones seems incapable of unwilling to correct it!

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:51 pm

But what if the 2nd yellow is correct, and the 1st was wrong. Do you check every yellow? Or just go back to review the first if they also receive a 2nd yellow... And what about the yellows that are an accumulation of things, rather than a single event? Minefield

Could just scrap VAR

It would be better to just scrap Jones

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:44 am

If he'd have had any other manager than Dyche im not sure hed have made it. Always had wonderful technique, but never looked too have the natural stamina you'd expect from a young player, still doesn't tbh. He's always absolutely blowing but having Dyche on him constantly has made him into a very good PL player.
Lampard didnt have a clue what to do with him.

I think he's a superb footballer.

All ifs and maybes about making it though. Plenty of great footballers struggle under certain managers.

Even Le Tissier wasn't played by one Southampton manager because he didn't run enough.

If this VAR technology is there to assist the ref and ensure the correct decision is arrived at, why then put restrictions on the issues where it can be referred to?

No Ney Never wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:37 am

If this VAR technology is there to assist the ref and ensure the correct decision is arrived at, why then put restrictions on the issues where it can be referred to?

Probably to stop the game lasting 3hrs

Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm

Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?

Been thinking the same thing recently. Good for him. Put in a lot of hard work with us and didn't always get the recognition for it. Good to see him kicking on.

On McNeil, of course he was younger with us and came in and was suddenly playing a lot of top football in a short time. I suspect he was still physically developing and it told. He's now 24, fully developed and we are starting to see the good player that he is pretty consistently.

He did get the recognition when he gave 100% effort which was not all the time .

Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm

Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?

Yep he looks a far more mature/confident/experienced player who now has players around him which are probably a level above those he played with at Burnley.

expoultryboy wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:37 am

He did get the recognition when he gave 100% effort which was not all the time .

Maybe he couldn't. He also looks Waddlesque sometimes.

Certainly shows that when you've got a left foot as good as his then being two footed matters little.