bfcjg wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:45 pm

If criminals faced the harshest of punishments and were taken off the streets for a very long time you wouldn't need more police.
After a rigorous fair trial criminals should then lose all the privileges of our country.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:45 pm

If criminals faced the harshest of punishments and were taken off the streets for a very long time you wouldn't need more police.
After a rigorous fair trial criminals should then lose all the privileges of our country.

AmbleClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:36 pm

20000 more police says the Government, crime shouldn't be a problem. Where's fat knacker Higginbotham these days ?

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:04 pm

They don't care the damage or cost, it's all for personal gain.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:51 pm

Still 8000 fewer officers now than in 2010.

And I have no idea where these 20000 are, because numbers on the front line are still horrendously low.

I’ve come away from response because it was taking too much of a toll on my health and family life, and now i’m on a town centre team.

The team should be 1-3-21 (1 inspector, 3 sergeants, 21PC’s). I can count on one hand in 4 months how often we’ve all been working together as we should be. Some shifts I am the only PC out of 21 in, as I am not Level 2 Public Order trained.

And the Met had a grand total of 0 applications in August last year, followed by 7 in September. Not ideal when you are losing 250 officers per month, or 10% of your workforce every year.

Policing and wider public services in this country have been utterly broken by the Tories.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:51 pm

Still 8000 fewer officers now than in 2010.

And I have no idea where these 20000 are, because numbers on the front line are still horrendously low.

I’ve come away from response because it was taking too much of a toll on my health and family life, and now i’m on a town centre team.

The team should be 1-3-21 (1 inspector, 3 sergeants, 21PC’s). I can count on one hand in 4 months how often we’ve all been working together as we should be. Some shifts I am the only PC out of 21 in, as I am not Level 2 Public Order trained.

And the Met had a grand total of 0 applications in August last year, followed by 7 in September. Not ideal when you are losing 250 officers per month, or 10% of your workforce every year.

Policing and wider public services in this country have been utterly broken by the Tories.

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:19 pm

Sounds like you are describing the current govt.

Westleigh wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:25 pm

So do you think if we had another 250,000 police they’d stop idiots from robbing to fuel their drug crazed habits? Perhaps Diane Abbot will sort it out like she was going to do last time and recruit 10,000 bobbies and it would only cost another another £5 mill .( I’m not a Tory neither)

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:51 pm

Policing and wider public services in this country have been utterly broken by the Tories.

Westleigh wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:25 pm

So do you think if we had another 250,000 police they’d stop idiots from robbing to fuel their drug crazed habits? Perhaps Diane Abbot will sort it out like she was going to do last time and recruit 10,000 bobbies and it would only cost another another £5 mill .( I’m not a Tory neither)

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:28 pm

Exactly it doesn't matter who's in charge it's a system that's broken beyond repair.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:05 pm

The resources are there if they spent a fraction of the time that they do trying to catch motorists out doing a few miles over they'd catch more people but no money in it & even if they did the prisons are full & the MOJ are releasing people early as quick as the criminals trying to get in. It's a mess a real mess.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:38 pm

But isn't prison so cushy that prisoners don't want letting out?

Squidgy wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:35 pm

Jakubclaret


I’ll answer this one. The money spent is a fraction of what was. I worked on traffic for 16 years in a very busy inner city area. In four sub-divisions we had 64 PC’s 4 Sgts and and 1 Inspector. We were required aside from traffic patrol and accident response to respond to all reports of “ intruders on premises” urgent premise alarms, large scale disturbances and a number of other incidents.

As a result of cuts we ended up with 16PC’s and 1 Sgt. The rest were returned to response. The majority of traffic patrol vehicles were not replaced when worn out. Part of this was due to speed cameras. I’ve retired now but I’m told by old colleagues that virtually no one stops for general patrol vehicles in the areas I used to cover and they have to hope that the one or two cars covering the whole city are near by.

And in answer to the “but no money in it” the money goes to central funds (that’s government funds not the Police) Yhe money raised from speed cameras used to go to the Police initially but the government sniffled that long ago.

Oh and as an addition fatal and serious accidents in that inner city area have rocketed with supposedly modern well built cars being completely destroyed in many of those accidents. Often these high powered cars are rented and the driver is not the renter.

We reap what we sow.

Westleigh wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:25 pm

So do you think if we had another 250,000 police they’d stop idiots from robbing to fuel their drug crazed habits? Perhaps Diane Abbot will sort it out like she was going to do last time and recruit 10,000 bobbies and it would only cost another another £5 mill .( I’m not a Tory neither)

Westleigh wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:37 pm

You think Burnley had problems,just been listening to Sadiq Khan ,his answer to the increase to knife crime in London is down to mobile phone theft ,and reckons if the phone manufactures make the phones unusable if stolen that would solve the knife crimes( Give me Strength)
The Mayor of London’s Firework Display followed by The Mayor of London’s book on solving crim.

ralph8 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:01 pm

Just read another bar - The Electric Circus on Bank Parade has had another attempted break in, that's around the 5th of which I'm aware in a relatively short period of time.
It must be tough running a Bar in the current economic climate without having to suffer the hurt these thieves must cause - The Bars are obviously being heavily targeted by certain individuals.
If anyone is based in the Town Centre or passing through and sees anything suspicious, call the Police, it seems like these Bars need as much help as they can get.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:47 pm

Think the Tories should be asking the mayor of London for some advice seen as his London is out performing the Tory run country

taio wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:59 pm

Per capita crime rate is consistently higher in London than the UK

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:53 pm

Chart Source ?
What do the numbers represent ?
Type of crime ? Stealing loaves of bread or stabbings ?

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:05 pm

Yes but the rate of increase in London over the last decade has been lower than the rate of increase than the rest of the country. People talk about crime being out of control in London because of Sadiq Khan but actually crime is out of control across the UK and is increasing at a faster rate outside of London

Its much more complicated than laying the blame at the door of either the Mayor or the govt but if I had to choose one who's more responsible then it definitely wouldnt be the mayor of London

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:47 pm

Think the Tories should be asking the mayor of London for some advice seen as his London is out performing the Tory run country

Westleigh wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:25 pm

So do you think if we had another 250,000 police they’d stop idiots from robbing to fuel their drug crazed habits? Perhaps Diane Abbot will sort it out like she was going to do last time and recruit 10,000 bobbies and it would only cost another another £5 mill .( I’m not a Tory neither)

Squidgy wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:35 pm

Jakubclaret


I’ll answer this one. The money spent is a fraction of what was. I worked on traffic for 16 years in a very busy inner city area. In four sub-divisions we had 64 PC’s 4 Sgts and and 1 Inspector. We were required aside from traffic patrol and accident response to respond to all reports of “ intruders on premises” urgent premise alarms, large scale disturbances and a number of other incidents.

As a result of cuts we ended up with 16PC’s and 1 Sgt. The rest were returned to response. The majority of traffic patrol vehicles were not replaced when worn out. Part of this was due to speed cameras. I’ve retired now but I’m told by old colleagues that virtually no one stops for general patrol vehicles in the areas I used to cover and they have to hope that the one or two cars covering the whole city are near by.

And in answer to the “but no money in it” the money goes to central funds (that’s government funds not the Police) Yhe money raised from speed cameras used to go to the Police initially but the government sniffled that long ago.

Oh and as an addition fatal and serious accidents in that inner city area have rocketed with supposedly modern well built cars being completely destroyed in many of those accidents. Often these high powered cars are rented and the driver is not the renter.

We reap what we sow.

Westleigh wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:20 pm

Talking as an old fart ,the cut backs are massive ,but society has a hell of a lot to do with it ,you only need to watch the odd police programme and as well as society having no respect for the police many people today don’t seem to have any shame ,I got my first car at 18 part exchanged it one day and hadn’t notified my insurance ,got my name in local rag for driving without insurance ,parents went ballistic for shaming the family,& for many it’s a badge of honour to get their collar felt .(rant over)

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:20 am

I'm not disputing a lot what you've said, things might have changed regarding the allocation of money that's been distributed but that doesn't alter the fact for years they was deliberately guiding people to take the speed awareness courses for the commission referral. I wasn't referring to boy racers with high powered sports cars being targeted as you well know I was referring to the everyday driver going a few miles over not somebody flying through town like a bat out of hell. Things might have changed regarding the money but for years stinging motorists under the pretence of road safety the police was on a good screw for years & it had to end sooner or later.

ClaretFelix wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:35 am

You say this like the money went straight into the officers own pockets??
And "a few miles over" is a few miles OVER.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:48 am

I'm not saying the money directly went to the officers pockets but I believe the top brass would have certainly sent a directive prioritising such an action to help the budget. It's already widely recognised the force were undergoing savage cuts regarding the funding I can't think of a better way to engineer money from elsewhere. The government since have realised how much money can be made from it & have put a stop to it & are taking the money for themselves. Yes a few miles is over why not give them another form of punishment which doesn't involve a financial transaction if road safety is the priority or is money the motive overriding everything else.

ClaretFelix wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:37 am

Because money talks.

People are less likely to want to be hit with a financial punishment so will, or should think on. Taking a course also means less likely to be hit with higher insurance premium with the added points, which is also favourable in terms of cash in your wallet.

People can take what they want from the courses, but the number 1 reason for people attending is to avoid being stung financially. Anything else wouldn't be worth the time or effort and wouldn't nearly have the same impact.

There is no ulterior motive about the finances and where the money goes. Its quite transparent.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:02 pm

Hogwash it's a cash cow plain & simple if they wanted to really improve the roads that money would go back into surfacing them & getting rid of all the potholes, it's a contributing factor causing some of the accidents in the first place although I accept speed is the main cause. Does the highway agency even see any of that money if they do they certainly aren't doing anything constructive with it the roads are worse than there ever been

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:36 pm

Money from FPNs for traffic offences, goes directly to HM Treasury, not the police force issuing. It is not ringfenced for any specific purpose.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:44 pm

Way behind that's already covered that the incoming money's changed hands.

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:50 pm

Wait, what? “Changed hands”?

I think you’ve let your imagination run away with you a little there.