Feel free to explain what the 3 players contributed tonight to deserve more than 3 points each ?
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Basing your entire game on fast passes from Muric last season and then dropping him this season is the most stupid thing about this season. Plain for all to see we played much better tonight than the league games so far.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:42 pmThere was some ring rust no doubt, but surely you can see the difference in the speed of thought and passes? That's what sets it apart in that style of play. If we want to play off second balls and bit a bit more cautious then that's a different argument.
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Muric 6 it's only fair I mark him down for poor distribution
Vitinho 5
O'Shea 8
Delcroix 9* outstanding tonight when played in the correct position
Taylor 7
Zaroury 5
Cullen 8
Ramsey 6
Odobert 6
Foster 5
Amdouni 4 if he's not falling over he's giving it away, if he's not being greedy in the final 3rd and blazing it anywhere but near the goal he's missing really good chances. He's still an enigma, a one in six footballer who needs to improve quite somewhat
JBL 4
Al-Dakhil 5
Tresor 6
Redmond 5
Vitinho 5
O'Shea 8
Delcroix 9* outstanding tonight when played in the correct position
Taylor 7
Zaroury 5
Cullen 8
Ramsey 6
Odobert 6
Foster 5
Amdouni 4 if he's not falling over he's giving it away, if he's not being greedy in the final 3rd and blazing it anywhere but near the goal he's missing really good chances. He's still an enigma, a one in six footballer who needs to improve quite somewhat
JBL 4
Al-Dakhil 5
Tresor 6
Redmond 5
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His distrinution might have been ring rusty but had Trafford been in goal and responsible for the throw out that led to their goal then he'd probably have had nothing but 3 and 4 ratings. Why on earth he threw that ball out then I don't know.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:42 pmThere was some ring rust no doubt, but surely you can see the difference in the speed of thought and passes? That's what sets it apart in that style of play. If we want to play off second balls and bit a bit more cautious then that's a different argument.
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One of them that for me CT - we broke earlier on in the game with a throw out to Amdouni, who btw also asked for the ball.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 pmHis distrinution might have been ring rusty but had Trafford been in goal and responsible for the throw out that led to their goal then he'd probably have had nothing but 3 and 4 ratings. Why on earth he threw that ball out then I don't know.
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I thought our two central defenders were outstanding tonight. I've not understood the criticism of O'Shea to be honest but I've been a big critic of Delcroix. I thought O'Shea was our man of the match with Delcroix not far behind him.
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It was a stupid decision to throw out as Muric did but Amdouni completely crumpled under pressure when he had what looked to be decent control.
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3 is abysmal. Not one player for Burnley were abysmal tonight.
Redmond didn’t have long on the pitch so really you can’t say he abysmally.
Amdouni played some neat stuff at time. Again wasn’t abysmal.
Brun-Larsen played up top with little help at times. He’s not a striker either.
I really don’t see what you doom mongers love to see at times.
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Totally agree with this. Reminiscent of last season tonight. It may be chaotic but this team needs a jolt considering the staid, listless football we’ve been served up this season.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 pmBasing your entire game on fast passes from Muric last season and then dropping him this season is the most stupid thing about this season. Plain for all to see we played much better tonight than the league games so far.
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I think we played as well tonight as we have done in the last 4 or 5 Prem games. It’s the odd mistake which is being punished against very good sides but we’re a very young inexperienced side. It’s going to happen.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 pmBasing your entire game on fast passes from Muric last season and then dropping him this season is the most stupid thing about this season. Plain for all to see we played much better tonight than the league games so far.
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Muric 6 - poor distribution cost us the game along with watching the ball fly into the net. Looks to be our best threat at corners though
Vitinho 5 - fine as a back up right back
O'Shea 8* - we’ll done Dara, best so far
Delcroix 8 - assured
Taylor 7 - quality PL experience showed
Zaroury 5 - a shadow of his former self
Cullen 8 - very solid throughout
Ramsey 5 - needs a season elsewhere
Odobert 6 - not his usual spark
Foster 5 - not his usual spark
Amdouni 4 - let’s not get relegated while we wait for this experiment to work
JBL 5 - little impact
Al-Dakhil 6 - ok
Tresor 4 - let’s not get relegated while we wait for this experiment to work
Redmond 5 - offered little
Vitinho 5 - fine as a back up right back
O'Shea 8* - we’ll done Dara, best so far
Delcroix 8 - assured
Taylor 7 - quality PL experience showed
Zaroury 5 - a shadow of his former self
Cullen 8 - very solid throughout
Ramsey 5 - needs a season elsewhere
Odobert 6 - not his usual spark
Foster 5 - not his usual spark
Amdouni 4 - let’s not get relegated while we wait for this experiment to work
JBL 5 - little impact
Al-Dakhil 6 - ok
Tresor 4 - let’s not get relegated while we wait for this experiment to work
Redmond 5 - offered little
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O’Shea is often the master of his own downfall. He labours/ponders on the ball far too much and this often puts himself and the team into trouble. It happened at least twice in the first half tonight. As a ‘kick it and head it’ defender he’s ok. As a footballer, he isn’t very good.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:52 pmI thought our two central defenders were outstanding tonight. I've not understood the criticism of O'Shea to be honest but I've been a big critic of Delcroix. I thought O'Shea was our man of the match with Delcroix not far behind him.
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Muric 7 - rash at times but excellent in others and to nearly set up the equaliser with a flick on sums him up
Vitinho 5 - in trouble numerous times and wasted a few final balls
O'Shea 8 - loses a mark for giving it away cheaply into trouble a couple of times
Delcroix 9 MOM - best game yet, we see now why Belgium capped him, need to give him time
Taylor 8 - same old for Charlie
Zaroury 6 - too casual at times but tried to be very aggressive with his passing and nearly set up a goal with brilliance
Cullen 8 - really upliftimg to see him have his best game this season
Ramsey 6 - way too many dodgy moments in his own half, doesn’t anticipate the danger but does have talent otherwise
Odobert 6 - on and off, a passenger too often for me, much prefer Tresor with Wilson on later
Foster 6 - looked injured for much of first half, worryingly
Amdouni 6 - really unlucky with the bounces for his key moments but could still have done better
JBL 5 - wouldn’t be Vincent without a senior moment, not putting Jay on was this weeks
Brownhill 7 - made us better instantly
Al-Dakhil 7 - considering he is becoming an Andy Farrell who could be asked to play anywhere he did well
Tresor 7 - looks the most likely creative option again. Set up a couple of big chances but overhit a great through-ball chance
Redmond 6 - did ok
Very pleasing performance, only gave the ball away about half of what Spurs did (who had more possession to be fair) and it was a game that could have gone either way which would have been unthinkable here a few months ago, with us having the best chances by far. Particularly pleased for Cullen and Delcroix who needed a good game.
The Muric debate is like that girl you dated in the past who is a real looker that you love to have on your arm, but she is a bit flighty and in the back of your mind you wonder if she will let you down at a vital moment. He’s so good to watch, more so than any other keeper in the league, but he doesn’t sense danger. Maybe that will come, maybe it won’t, but we have to trust Kompany I think.
Vitinho 5 - in trouble numerous times and wasted a few final balls
O'Shea 8 - loses a mark for giving it away cheaply into trouble a couple of times
Delcroix 9 MOM - best game yet, we see now why Belgium capped him, need to give him time
Taylor 8 - same old for Charlie
Zaroury 6 - too casual at times but tried to be very aggressive with his passing and nearly set up a goal with brilliance
Cullen 8 - really upliftimg to see him have his best game this season
Ramsey 6 - way too many dodgy moments in his own half, doesn’t anticipate the danger but does have talent otherwise
Odobert 6 - on and off, a passenger too often for me, much prefer Tresor with Wilson on later
Foster 6 - looked injured for much of first half, worryingly
Amdouni 6 - really unlucky with the bounces for his key moments but could still have done better
JBL 5 - wouldn’t be Vincent without a senior moment, not putting Jay on was this weeks
Brownhill 7 - made us better instantly
Al-Dakhil 7 - considering he is becoming an Andy Farrell who could be asked to play anywhere he did well
Tresor 7 - looks the most likely creative option again. Set up a couple of big chances but overhit a great through-ball chance
Redmond 6 - did ok
Very pleasing performance, only gave the ball away about half of what Spurs did (who had more possession to be fair) and it was a game that could have gone either way which would have been unthinkable here a few months ago, with us having the best chances by far. Particularly pleased for Cullen and Delcroix who needed a good game.
The Muric debate is like that girl you dated in the past who is a real looker that you love to have on your arm, but she is a bit flighty and in the back of your mind you wonder if she will let you down at a vital moment. He’s so good to watch, more so than any other keeper in the league, but he doesn’t sense danger. Maybe that will come, maybe it won’t, but we have to trust Kompany I think.
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Muric 7
Vitinho 5
O'Shea 8
Delcroix 8
Taylor 7
Cullen 7
Ramsey 5
Amdouni 5
Zaroury 5
Odabert 6
Foster 5
Tresor 3
Brownhill 6
Al Dakhil 7
Redmond 4
Bruun Larsson 5
Vitinho 5
O'Shea 8
Delcroix 8
Taylor 7
Cullen 7
Ramsey 5
Amdouni 5
Zaroury 5
Odabert 6
Foster 5
Tresor 3
Brownhill 6
Al Dakhil 7
Redmond 4
Bruun Larsson 5
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Got to play Cullen and Muric going off tonight. Look totally different with them two playing, inspired even.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:55 pmTotally agree with this. Reminiscent of last season tonight. It may be chaotic but this team needs a jolt considering the staid, listless football we’ve been served up this season.
Patterns of play are much better.
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From tv
Maurice 8 a couple of dodgy passes out late on, but for some reason I felt safer with him in the nets
Vitinho 5 Roberts is a better rb
O’Shea 6 awful first 20 minutes when he gave the ball away non stop leading to danger. He did improve in the second half.
Delcroix 8 mom, his best performance in a claret shirt
Taylor 7 never got chance to get forward
Zaroury 5 better when on the left
Cullen 7 looked more like last season
Ramsey 4 I’m sorry bu5 I’m still waiting for his season to start
Odobert 6 didn’t get into the game
Amdouni 4 normally I like him, but tonight he was poor
Foster 5 didn’t get into the game
Brun Larsen 4 played out of position
Brownhill 6 never got going
Redmond 5 he’s not the answer
Tresor 4 like Ramsey I’m waiting for him to show us why we bought him.
Another frustrating performance where we struggled to hold the ball and never really got going. I’m more concerned on how this squad will perform in what looks like another season in the Championship.
Maurice 8 a couple of dodgy passes out late on, but for some reason I felt safer with him in the nets
Vitinho 5 Roberts is a better rb
O’Shea 6 awful first 20 minutes when he gave the ball away non stop leading to danger. He did improve in the second half.
Delcroix 8 mom, his best performance in a claret shirt
Taylor 7 never got chance to get forward
Zaroury 5 better when on the left
Cullen 7 looked more like last season
Ramsey 4 I’m sorry bu5 I’m still waiting for his season to start
Odobert 6 didn’t get into the game
Amdouni 4 normally I like him, but tonight he was poor
Foster 5 didn’t get into the game
Brun Larsen 4 played out of position
Brownhill 6 never got going
Redmond 5 he’s not the answer
Tresor 4 like Ramsey I’m waiting for him to show us why we bought him.
Another frustrating performance where we struggled to hold the ball and never really got going. I’m more concerned on how this squad will perform in what looks like another season in the Championship.
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I marked Redmond for what he did in his time on the pitchbf2k wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:54 pm3 is abysmal. Not one player for Burnley were abysmal tonight.
Redmond didn’t have long on the pitch so really you can’t say he abysmally.
Amdouni played some neat stuff at time. Again wasn’t abysmal.
Brun-Larsen played up top with little help at times. He’s not a striker either.
I really don’t see what you doom mongers love to see at times.
Amdouni did play the odd bits of good stuff but these were negated when missed 2 great chances and gave away the ball for their goal
Larsen was virtually invisible. Yes he played out of position but still contributed zero. Maybe you should be focusing on why he was chosen ahead of JRod to replace Foster
I marked what I saw
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There’s a surprise. You’re like a Venus fly trap on this board, man.
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I have focused on why he played instead of Jay Rod but that wasn’t for this thread.FCBurnley wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:18 pmI marked Redmond for what he did in his time on the pitch
Amdouni did play the odd bits of good stuff but these were negated when missed 2 great chances and gave away the ball for their goal
Larsen was virtually invisible. Yes he played out of position but still contributed zero. Maybe you should be focusing on why he was chosen ahead of JRod to replace Foster
I marked what I saw
Where do you get the 2 great chances from? Both were half chances with the ball behind him and One was offside anyway.
Again not sure what you’re seeing which such negativity
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Muric 6 great handling but some shocking passes
Vitinho 4 awful
O'Shea 9 mom just duper.
Delcroix 9 brilliant
Taylor 8
Cullen 7
Ramsey 6
Zaroury 4 not in it.
Odebert 6
Foster 5
Amdouni 4 poor, in fact p poor in the box
Larsen 4
Tresor 4 all that cash and can't cross
Redmond 4
Brownhill 6
Vitinho 4 awful
O'Shea 9 mom just duper.
Delcroix 9 brilliant
Taylor 8
Cullen 7
Ramsey 6
Zaroury 4 not in it.
Odebert 6
Foster 5
Amdouni 4 poor, in fact p poor in the box
Larsen 4
Tresor 4 all that cash and can't cross
Redmond 4
Brownhill 6
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Muric 8 - First game in how long. caught the ball at corners..... hello, some wonderful passes and what a header at the end. Was developing well last season, should have been allowed to continue this, should have been his place to lose.
Vitinho 5 Never first choice
O'Shea 8 better
Delcroix 8 better
Taylor 7 hope the shoulder is ok
Zaroury 6 what a pass for Amdouni in the first half. Hasn't been allowed to develop.
Cullen 7
Ramsey 6 still weak
Odobert 6 inexperience shows
Amdouni 5 should have had 2
Foster 6 we're nothing without him
Bruun Larsen 5 tried
Brownhill 6
Al-Dakhil 6
Redmond 5
Trésor 5 its not working
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Vitinho 5 Never first choice
O'Shea 8 better
Delcroix 8 better
Taylor 7 hope the shoulder is ok
Zaroury 6 what a pass for Amdouni in the first half. Hasn't been allowed to develop.
Cullen 7
Ramsey 6 still weak
Odobert 6 inexperience shows
Amdouni 5 should have had 2
Foster 6 we're nothing without him
Bruun Larsen 5 tried
Brownhill 6
Al-Dakhil 6
Redmond 5
Trésor 5 its not working
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"Where do you get the 2 great chances from? Both were half chances with the ball behind him and One was offside anyway"
Out of interest ( as it's Amdouni I think this refers to ) do you think was offside?
The one in the 1st half had it gone to VAR had Amdouni netted would have stood
Out of interest ( as it's Amdouni I think this refers to ) do you think was offside?
The one in the 1st half had it gone to VAR had Amdouni netted would have stood
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Muric - 8. No coincidence we’ve looked a much better team in the games he’s played this season, regardless of who the other 10 are. Refreshing to see our GK catching free kicks and crosses.
Vitinho - 6. Some harsh marks, defended OK against a very good Johnson and again gives us an outlet. Just a shame about his final pass
O’Shea - 8. Getting better every game.
Delacroix- 9. MOM. Takes time to adjust to a new league, especially one that’s a much higher quality. Some fans don’t get that and write players off way too soon
Taylor - 7. usual Charlie
Cullen - 8. More like it
Ramsey - 7. Did well
Zaroury- 6. Rusty, needs more game time
Odobert - 6. Got back well, but didn’t happen for him tonight
Amdouni- 6 some lovely stuff, some falling over
Foster - 5. Maybe one game too many after recent issues.
Subs 5 apart from AAD 7 who did well at left back
Vitinho - 6. Some harsh marks, defended OK against a very good Johnson and again gives us an outlet. Just a shame about his final pass
O’Shea - 8. Getting better every game.
Delacroix- 9. MOM. Takes time to adjust to a new league, especially one that’s a much higher quality. Some fans don’t get that and write players off way too soon
Taylor - 7. usual Charlie
Cullen - 8. More like it
Ramsey - 7. Did well
Zaroury- 6. Rusty, needs more game time
Odobert - 6. Got back well, but didn’t happen for him tonight
Amdouni- 6 some lovely stuff, some falling over
Foster - 5. Maybe one game too many after recent issues.
Subs 5 apart from AAD 7 who did well at left back
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That the one I was talking about. Comms said it was offside and I haven’t seen a reply to say otherwise.THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:45 pm"Where do you get the 2 great chances from? Both were half chances with the ball behind him and One was offside anyway"
Out of interest ( as it's Amdouni I think this refers to ) do you think was offside?
The one in the 1st half had it gone to VAR had Amdouni netted would have stood
Point still stands that it wasn’t a clear cut chance. The back was behind him and leaning back to swivel and hit it. Yes a “Premier League forward” may well have hit the target but Burnley can’t afford those so we have to develop them and that takes time and there odd missed chance.
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Muric passing to marked players is the risk we take and sometimes we get burned. First half he passes to someone marked (similar to Blackpool last season) and we nearly get done. Then the looping throw straight to their fullback (taking out Taylor) who drives straight into our boxClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 pmHis distrinution might have been ring rusty but had Trafford been in goal and responsible for the throw out that led to their goal then he'd probably have had nothing but 3 and 4 ratings. Why on earth he threw that ball out then I don't know.
Second half he throws it to Amdouni, who’s under pressure and we pay the price followed by a pass directly to one of their attackers on the edge of the box which nearly results in a goal.
By no means did he have a disaster but it wasn’t the amazing Buffonesque performance some are making it out to be.
If Trafford gives possession away he gets slaughtered. Muric does it and it’s 7’s and 8’s.
Go figure.
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I’m in the Muric camp for sure which doesn’t mean I think Trafford isn’t a good keeper ..:but Muric has the ability to distribute very quickly to get us moving .. maybe a bit too quick sometimes but is that his fault or should our outfield players have a better touch .. Muric is head and shoulders above Trafford at dealing with high crosses which has been our Achilles heel many times this season .. I think he should be our number 1 keeper
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Muric is getting high marks because despite the mistakes he came for lots of crosses, made some decent saves, and some of distrbution was good.Darthlaw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:53 pmMuric passing to marked players is the risk we take and sometimes we get burned. First half he passes to someone marked (similar to Blackpool last season) and we nearly get done. Then the looping throw straight to their fullback (taking out Taylor) who drives straight into our box
Second half he throws it to Amdouni, who’s under pressure and we pay the price followed by a pass directly to one of their attackers on the edge of the box which nearly results in a goal.
If Trafford gives possession away he gets slaughtered. Muric does it and it’s 7’s and 8’s.
Go figure.
If Trafford does the above, he gets 7s and 8s. Check previous ratings threads if you don't believe me. He's had high marks in a number of games.
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But Trafford hasn’t given 4 opportunities to the opposition in those games, one of which they scored from.
Take those away from tonight and Muric is a solid 8 but actively contributing to their goal, making his usual mistakes and still getting 7’s and 8’s? Kosovan tinted glasses, methinks.
Take those away from tonight and Muric is a solid 8 but actively contributing to their goal, making his usual mistakes and still getting 7’s and 8’s? Kosovan tinted glasses, methinks.
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He was around 2 yards onside with both defenders in front of him as the ball is played to him as the replay from the side showed and which both commentators agreed on, and believe me it's more than a half chance he's squandered yet againbf2k wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:52 pmThat the one I was talking about. Comms said it was offside and I haven’t seen a reply to say otherwise.
Point still stands that it wasn’t a clear cut chance. The back was behind him and leaning back to swivel and hit it. Yes a “Premier League forward” may well have hit the target but Burnley can’t afford those so we have to develop them and that takes time and there odd missed chance.
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Muric -7 feel like he wants rating with an interrobang rather than a number, he's just so bizarre, I've chop changed 7-6-7 on his rating he's an enigma. Some great passes that really gave us a chance to play through or break, some dicey ones that put us under pressure. One absolute horror that was a let off. Ridiculous Cruyff turn in his own area past I think Richarlyson. Several good claims, one decent save and one at 63-64mins that if Trafford makes it you never hear the end of. Goal is far more Amdouni for me he receives it at pace but has to take a better touch, strike is a wonder I dont get peoples obsession with a keeper diving to make a show for the cameras. Can't drop Trafford on current form but God I like this guy for all his chaos.
Vitinho 5 Some absurd stuff being slung around about him being awful every game by the usual sorts who have never given him credit. Not his best again, he's had 3-4 wobbly games now, time to swap Roberts back in for a go, he'd looked good in November.
O'Shea 7- a few very dicey balls but strong in the air. He reminds me more of a Dyche defender with a touch,Tarks or Keane. Not a sweeper but growing into the team.
Delcroix 7- Considering how under the cosh we were surprisingly quiet game for him. Did nothing wrong, nothing outstanding but no mistakes very very steady. First time I've been impressed by him, hope he keeps it up.
Taylor 8 our best player until going off. Reliable, solid, some nice touches and efforts to get forward. Knackered without him at LB.
Cullen 6- Thought at times in the first half he got overrun but slowly settled himself. Still not sure he's PL but better today.
Ramsey 6- On the eye test I'd give him 5, but his stats show a different story about him keeping us going with passing and tackling. Thought he moved it around well but looked lightweight and easily dispossessed myself but guess I saw what I expected to see somewhat.
Amdouni 4- I thought he'd look better with Foster. Didn't tonight. The one time I think he should run more he passes early, and misses one really good chance and one awkward but should do better at the death. I'd say time to give him a rest but we have no alternative for him.
Zaroury 5- Created our best chance but otherwise iffy in possession and gave Vitinho no help. Looked better on the left but he can't impact games like last season against PL sides. Wanted to do something but didn't tend to come off especially his shooting.
Odobert 5 - Flattered to deceive. Energetic pacy runs little product. I'd have kept him on longer as he has a goal in him but there we go.
Foster 4- I love Lyle, I'm so glad he's back,but he was anonymous today. Rarely got on the ball and every time he did he was sloppy and easily dispossessed. Wouldn't have subbed him because we have no real alternative but we desperately need one for when he's off his game.
Larsen - 4. I hold my hand up thinking he could deputise as a striker since he's played there before and has the right attributes. Not on today he can't.
Tresor 5. Every time he plays I hope this is the game he turns the corner and shows his worth. Every game I'm disappointed.
Brownhill 6. Held the ball okay and drove us on a bit more.
Al Dakhil 6. Defensively solid made some decent interceptions, squandered two plays going forward being a bit flat footed.
Redmond 4. He's looked lively in his other cameos but less so tonight a few really heavy or poor takes when he should have done better and instead blew a buildup and gave away the ball.
I'm possibly being a bit harsh on some ratings but I'm not sure how else to signify differences in performances, wish i could give half points.
Think this game was a real Rorschach Test for some players. The people who always back Kompanys decisions and selections no matter what think his regulars were fine and the out of favour players were shaky, the people who question him a lot think they played great and a few regulars were poor. Really tricky game to assess honestly, we got repeatedly pelted without Spurs looking too threatening, we had very few chances but had two better than their goal.
Vitinho 5 Some absurd stuff being slung around about him being awful every game by the usual sorts who have never given him credit. Not his best again, he's had 3-4 wobbly games now, time to swap Roberts back in for a go, he'd looked good in November.
O'Shea 7- a few very dicey balls but strong in the air. He reminds me more of a Dyche defender with a touch,Tarks or Keane. Not a sweeper but growing into the team.
Delcroix 7- Considering how under the cosh we were surprisingly quiet game for him. Did nothing wrong, nothing outstanding but no mistakes very very steady. First time I've been impressed by him, hope he keeps it up.
Taylor 8 our best player until going off. Reliable, solid, some nice touches and efforts to get forward. Knackered without him at LB.
Cullen 6- Thought at times in the first half he got overrun but slowly settled himself. Still not sure he's PL but better today.
Ramsey 6- On the eye test I'd give him 5, but his stats show a different story about him keeping us going with passing and tackling. Thought he moved it around well but looked lightweight and easily dispossessed myself but guess I saw what I expected to see somewhat.
Amdouni 4- I thought he'd look better with Foster. Didn't tonight. The one time I think he should run more he passes early, and misses one really good chance and one awkward but should do better at the death. I'd say time to give him a rest but we have no alternative for him.
Zaroury 5- Created our best chance but otherwise iffy in possession and gave Vitinho no help. Looked better on the left but he can't impact games like last season against PL sides. Wanted to do something but didn't tend to come off especially his shooting.
Odobert 5 - Flattered to deceive. Energetic pacy runs little product. I'd have kept him on longer as he has a goal in him but there we go.
Foster 4- I love Lyle, I'm so glad he's back,but he was anonymous today. Rarely got on the ball and every time he did he was sloppy and easily dispossessed. Wouldn't have subbed him because we have no real alternative but we desperately need one for when he's off his game.
Larsen - 4. I hold my hand up thinking he could deputise as a striker since he's played there before and has the right attributes. Not on today he can't.
Tresor 5. Every time he plays I hope this is the game he turns the corner and shows his worth. Every game I'm disappointed.
Brownhill 6. Held the ball okay and drove us on a bit more.
Al Dakhil 6. Defensively solid made some decent interceptions, squandered two plays going forward being a bit flat footed.
Redmond 4. He's looked lively in his other cameos but less so tonight a few really heavy or poor takes when he should have done better and instead blew a buildup and gave away the ball.
I'm possibly being a bit harsh on some ratings but I'm not sure how else to signify differences in performances, wish i could give half points.
Think this game was a real Rorschach Test for some players. The people who always back Kompanys decisions and selections no matter what think his regulars were fine and the out of favour players were shaky, the people who question him a lot think they played great and a few regulars were poor. Really tricky game to assess honestly, we got repeatedly pelted without Spurs looking too threatening, we had very few chances but had two better than their goal.
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The vast majority of posters give fair and balanced appraisals on these threads.Darthlaw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:09 amBut Trafford hasn’t given 4 opportunities to the opposition in those games, one of which they scored from.
Take those away from tonight and Muric is a solid 8 but actively contributing to their goal, making his usual mistakes and still getting 7’s and 8’s? Kosovan tinted glasses, methinks.
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I've changed my rating for Muric twice. He's such a keeper of extremes, but in strange ways. Trafford generally has dicey passing but great shot stopping that's predictable contrasts. Muric isn't even a lottery that's too normal sounding.
Muric I genuinely don't know how to rate him sometimes. Captivating player for all the right and wrong reasons.
Muric I genuinely don't know how to rate him sometimes. Captivating player for all the right and wrong reasons.
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He's great entertainment though isn't he? Genuinely makes it fun. Please play him and have a go at winning games. Least it'll be funspt_claret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:14 amI've changed my rating for Muric twice. He's such a keeper of extremes, but in strange ways. Trafford generally has dicey passing but great shot stopping that's predictable contrasts. Muric isn't even a lottery that's too normal sounding.
Muric I genuinely don't know how to rate him sometimes. Captivating player for all the right and wrong reasons.
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Re: Tottenham v Burnley - Player Ratings
Muric 6
Vitinho 6
O'Shea 8
Delcroix 8
Zaroury 5
Taylor 8
Cullen 8
Ramsey 7
Odobert 6
Amdouni 5
Foster 5
Bruun Larsen 5
Brownhill 6
Al-Dakhil 6
Redmond 5
Trésor 5
Vitinho 6
O'Shea 8
Delcroix 8
Zaroury 5
Taylor 8
Cullen 8
Ramsey 7
Odobert 6
Amdouni 5
Foster 5
Bruun Larsen 5
Brownhill 6
Al-Dakhil 6
Redmond 5
Trésor 5
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Muric 6
Vitinho 6
O'Shea 7
Delcroix 8
Taylor 6
Zaroury 5
Cullen 6
Ramsey 5
Odobert 6
Amdouni 4
Foster 5
Bruun Larsen 4
Brownhill 5
Vitinho 6
O'Shea 7
Delcroix 8
Taylor 6
Zaroury 5
Cullen 6
Ramsey 5
Odobert 6
Amdouni 4
Foster 5
Bruun Larsen 4
Brownhill 5
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I love him but he terrifies me. He's almost reminiscent of Fabian Barthez or Rene Higuita, fifteen years ago he'd have been trying to Messi his way up the pitch. He's somehow a flair keeper which really shouldn't be a thing.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:16 amHe's great entertainment though isn't he? Genuinely makes it fun. Please play him and have a go at winning games. Least it'll be fun
I think if we switch more compact and pragmatic at the back and play Trafford we pick up more points. I think if we stick with the play out possession style, he's better suited to it, I'd say he's more likely to lose us AND win us a game like that but we keep losing anyway. I find myself mentally screaming get rid when he gets it, but a tiny voice in the back of my head is saying "nah, go on, nutmeg him do it".
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Muric at fault with the throw out as he should have kept ball to get team up the pitch after the scare just before ..ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 pmHis distrinution might have been ring rusty but had Trafford been in goal and responsible for the throw out that led to their goal then he'd probably have had nothing but 3 and 4 ratings. Why on earth he threw that ball out then I don't know.
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Its obvious why, there was acres of space to counter attack and as Kompany said he was throwing it into one of best technical players who he expected to use the ball better.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 pmHis distrinution might have been ring rusty but had Trafford been in goal and responsible for the throw out that led to their goal then he'd probably have had nothing but 3 and 4 ratings. Why on earth he threw that ball out then I don't know.
Kompany absolved Muric of any blame for that reason and id just about agree. I think it being a cup game makes a big difference on this. We werent playing for a point, we wanted to avoid a replay and win the game, the best chance to do that was with a quick counter attack. Unfortunately he didnt account for Amdouni stupidly trying to nutmeg someone in his own half when our own team wasnt settled, he wasnt under that much pressure and had numerous simple passes that he could have made.
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Muric 8
Vitinho 7
Taylor 7
O’Shea 8
Delcroix 9*
Cullen 7
Ramsey 7
Odobert 5
Zaroury 5
Amdouni 5
Foster 5
Bruun Larsen 4
Brownhill 5
Redmond 4
Tresor 4
Al Dakhil 7
Vitinho 7
Taylor 7
O’Shea 8
Delcroix 9*
Cullen 7
Ramsey 7
Odobert 5
Zaroury 5
Amdouni 5
Foster 5
Bruun Larsen 4
Brownhill 5
Redmond 4
Tresor 4
Al Dakhil 7
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Some interesting ratings, especially for Ramsey and Vitinho who I thought both played well (Ramsey after an admittedly shaky start.) And very surprised to see low marks for Muric, who kept us in the game. Close to our MOM, I thought.
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Muric 7
Vitinho 5
O’Shea 6
Delcroix 8
Taylor 6
Cullen 7
Ramsey 7
Zaroury 6
Amdouni 6
Odobert 5
Foster 6
Larsen 4
Brownhill 5
Tresor 6
Al Dakhil 6
Redmond 5
Vitinho 5
O’Shea 6
Delcroix 8
Taylor 6
Cullen 7
Ramsey 7
Zaroury 6
Amdouni 6
Odobert 5
Foster 6
Larsen 4
Brownhill 5
Tresor 6
Al Dakhil 6
Redmond 5
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Muric 7-Considering he's not had much game time, I think he did ok bar the throw out that led to their goal.
Vitinho 4-Dear me I'm sorry i'd best keep my own council.
Taylor 7-Another solid performance. Hope the injury's not too bad.
O'Shea 7-Had a solid game
Delcroix 8*-Very impressive last night.
Zaroury 4-Confidence looks in shatters.
Cullen 7-He had a really good game. looked something like he was last season.
Ramsey 7-Another who needs more game time. He did well.
Odobert 6
Amdouni 4-Has got to start being more clinical.
Foster 6-Started off very brightly, hope hr's going to be ok.
Bruun Larsen 4
Brownhill 6
Al-Dakhil 7-I was quite impressed with his cameo bar the 'cock up' for their goal, but I thought Muric was more culpable.
Redmond 5
Trésor 5
Vitinho 4-Dear me I'm sorry i'd best keep my own council.
Taylor 7-Another solid performance. Hope the injury's not too bad.
O'Shea 7-Had a solid game
Delcroix 8*-Very impressive last night.
Zaroury 4-Confidence looks in shatters.
Cullen 7-He had a really good game. looked something like he was last season.
Ramsey 7-Another who needs more game time. He did well.
Odobert 6
Amdouni 4-Has got to start being more clinical.
Foster 6-Started off very brightly, hope hr's going to be ok.
Bruun Larsen 4
Brownhill 6
Al-Dakhil 7-I was quite impressed with his cameo bar the 'cock up' for their goal, but I thought Muric was more culpable.
Redmond 5
Trésor 5
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i don't give player ratings anymore because whatever you give people question it but when i look through player ratings i see 8s for a player or 5s for the same player to me there as to be some kind of agenda by some posters or they don't watch all the game. just my thoughts.. and by the way i went for Delcroix as my MOTM did really well..
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I have rewatched that goal numerous times.Goliath wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:17 amIts obvious why, there was acres of space to counter attack and as Kompany said he was throwing it into one of best technical players who he expected to use the ball better.
Kompany absolved Muric of any blame for that reason and id just about agree. I think it being a cup game makes a big difference on this. We werent playing for a point, we wanted to avoid a replay and win the game, the best chance to do that was with a quick counter attack. Unfortunately he didnt account for Amdouni stupidly trying to nutmeg someone in his own half when our own team wasnt settled, he wasnt under that much pressure and had numerous simple passes that he could have made.
This is just not accurate at all. The pace and the angle in which he distributed it Amdouni is what caused the issue. I’m not a fan of Amdouni and I even I can recognise that was a stupid pass.
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ashtonlongsider wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:47 am
Al-Dakhil 7-I was quite impressed with his cameo bar the 'cock up' for their goal, but I thought Muric was more culpable.
How did Al-Dakhil make a “ cock up “ for the goal? Can you explain this comment please?
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Muric 7
Vithinio 5
Taylor 7
O’Shea 7
Delcroix 8
Cullen 7
Ramsey 6
Zaroury 6
Odobert 6
Foster 6
Amdouni 5
Larsen 4 a bizarre sub sticking him up front.
Brownhill 6
Tresor 6
Redmomd 5
Al Dakhil 7
Same old story played ok miss big chances at key moments.
Vithinio 5
Taylor 7
O’Shea 7
Delcroix 8
Cullen 7
Ramsey 6
Zaroury 6
Odobert 6
Foster 6
Amdouni 5
Larsen 4 a bizarre sub sticking him up front.
Brownhill 6
Tresor 6
Redmomd 5
Al Dakhil 7
Same old story played ok miss big chances at key moments.
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Muric 7
Vitinho 6
O SHEA 8
Delcroix 8
Taylor 7
Zaroury 5
Cullen 8
Ramsey 6
Odobert 6
Foster 5
Amdouni 5
Brun Larsen 5
Brownhill 5
Tresor 4
Redmond 5
Just like watching last seasons team. Much more composed. Was lacking a performance from Foster.
Vitinho 6
O SHEA 8
Delcroix 8
Taylor 7
Zaroury 5
Cullen 8
Ramsey 6
Odobert 6
Foster 5
Amdouni 5
Brun Larsen 5
Brownhill 5
Tresor 4
Redmond 5
Just like watching last seasons team. Much more composed. Was lacking a performance from Foster.
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Obviously you didn’t watch the game ,the commentator said if it went to VAR it was onside,or are you just making it up?
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Muric 7
Vitinho 5
O’Shea 8
Delcroix 8
Taylor 7
Zaroury 5
Cullen 8
Ramsey 6
Odobert 6
Amdouni 4
Foster 4
Bruun Larsen 4
Brownhill 6
Tresor 5
Al Dakhil 7
Redmond 5
Vitinho 5
O’Shea 8
Delcroix 8
Taylor 7
Zaroury 5
Cullen 8
Ramsey 6
Odobert 6
Amdouni 4
Foster 4
Bruun Larsen 4
Brownhill 6
Tresor 5
Al Dakhil 7
Redmond 5