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Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:21 pm
by Funkydrummer
A bit late with this one, mainly due to my son-in-law not forwarding me the link, despite
numerous reminders and promises.
He showed me some short footage of a guy, after the final whistle, clearly the worse for wear, falling down the steps in the stand and then tumbling backwards over a few rows of seats only stopping when he hit
a lady still sat in her seat.
As I say, I was promised a link but nothing has materialised. I seem to remember him mentioning "Turf Talk" ?
Can anyone help with this please ? He also mentioned Face tok or tik book or similar.
Can anyone help out please as I don't do social media ?
Cheers in advance.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:44 pm
by Royboyclaret
Much ado about nothing.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:45 pm
by claptrappers_union
I saw it the clip. It’s blink and you miss it - it’s zoomed in from television footage.
Not sure if he worse for wear or not but I hope everyone is ok now. I looked quite a tumble.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:50 pm
by Funkydrummer
Royboyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:44 pm
Much ado about nothing.
Tell that to the poor lady (who I know well), who suffered a not inconsiderable injury.
Think before you post such comments please.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:59 pm
by Royboyclaret
Funkydrummer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:50 pm
Tell that to the poor lady (who I know well), who suffered a not inconsiderable injury.
Think before you post such comments please.
Thanks's for incidents game, that's the game of the game.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:04 pm
by Royboyclaret
Royboyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:59 pm
Thanks's for incidents game, that's the name of the game.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:15 pm
by Royboyclaret
The name of the game is a different experience.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:19 pm
by Rick_Muller
Funkydrummer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:50 pm
Tell that to the poor lady (who I know well), who suffered a not inconsiderable injury.
Think before you post such comments please.
What is your objective with the thread? Do you want video evidence? If so, you’re probably best off contacting the club. They have multiple surveillance cameras all throughout the ground and I’m sure they would assist for the right reasons.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:26 pm
by Royboyclaret
Totally out of proprotion.......this is football, get all over it.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:28 pm
by Funkydrummer
Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:19 pm
What is your objective with the thread? Do you want video evidence? If so, you’re probably best off contacting the club. They have multiple surveillance cameras all throughout the ground and I’m sure they would assist for the right reasons.
Rumbled
Yes, I'm trying to help the lady out and the footage would certainly help.
I have emailed the club but got nothing back yet. Will persevere.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:09 pm
by brexit
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:59 am
by claptrappers_union
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:48 am
by StayingDown4Ever
Like anywhere nowadays - they won’t be able to give it to you.
For all they know, you could be seeking retribution against the guy who tripped for hurting your friend.
They could send it to the police if they had a direct request from them for a copy.
I suspect you want the footage for one of two reasons - to put in some sort of claim or to try and get the bloke who slipped in trouble/ banned from future games.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:16 am
by GetIntoEm
Stinks of personal injury claim. It'd be against an individual however, which is a shitty thing to do for an accident
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:36 am
by StayingDown4Ever
GetIntoEm wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:16 am
Stinks of personal injury claim. It'd be against an individual however, which is a shitty thing to do for an accident
Even the son-in-law appears to be trying to avoid sending it cause he agrees.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:05 am
by KRBFC
Funkydrummer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:28 pm
Rumbled
Yes, I'm trying to help the lady out and the footage would certainly help.
I have emailed the club but got nothing back yet. Will persevere.
No1 likes a snitch
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:11 am
by Burnley1989
StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:36 am
Even the son-in-law appears to be trying to avoid sending it cause he agrees.
Must admit, I'd not be getting myself involved in this one, even if the accident was because he'd had a few, I'd probably feel differently if he'd landed on my daughter and hurt her though.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:36 pm
by Chester Perry
The only thing clear from that is that there was no safety barrier at the bottom of a steep flight of steps - that is a ground safety issue for both the persons seated and the the one who fell down the steps, as the clip clearly shows it has the potential to be lethal
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:24 pm
by Winstonswhite
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:26 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Hopefully the club start selling high vis jackets.
Keith Lard comes to mind
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:36 pm
by Clovius Boofus
Funkydrummer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:50 pm
Tell that to the poor lady (who I know well), who suffered a not inconsiderable injury.
Think before you post such comments please.
I hope the woman is ok. That said, some of the comments on here only go to show that there's some right two-hats on UTC these days.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:46 pm
by ClaretAndBlue94
Whether drunk or not, I am sure the chap didnt plan to fall head first down the steps...
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:19 pm
by Awayfromburnley
1 or 2 people have been hurt here, surely the club can help of needed,
Any incident rwquiring treatment should have been logged in the stadium incident log.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:25 pm
by GetIntoEm
the club wont share CCTV to just anyone, thats a massive never gonna happen.
it'll have to be requested by the police, if there is an investigation, which is seems there isnt.
he went with some force, bet it hurt both parties, but im not sure what the OP wants to get out of this
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:35 pm
by Nori1958
GetIntoEm wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:25 pm
the club wont share CCTV to just anyone, thats a massive never gonna happen.
it'll have to be requested by the police, if there is an investigation, which is seems there isnt.
he went with some force, bet it hurt both parties, but im not sure what the OP wants to get out of this
Money
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:58 pm
by GetIntoEm
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:35 pm
Money
i suspect this, but not jumping to conclusions.
i mentioned earlier, it could only be a claim against an individual which wont be very much if at all possible. Club has a safety certificate, obviously nothing illegal with regards to safety.
very strange.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:58 pm
by Bigvince
If the lady involved in the incident is caught on CCTV, she has a right to request a copy of the footage, under the freedom of information act.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:09 pm
by Nori1958
GetIntoEm wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:58 pm
i suspect this, but not jumping to conclusions.
i mentioned earlier, it could only be a claim against an individual which wont be very much if at all possible. Club has a safety certificate, obviously nothing illegal with regards to safety.
very strange.
I perhaps should have included a?...... But iam struggling to think of any other reason
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:13 pm
by bobinho
Just watched it…. Unfortunate for the woman who was hit. Hope she’s ok.
A more pressing matter is that Stockley park are reviewing the footage with a view to awarding Liverpool a penalty…
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:08 pm
by Quickenthetempo
How bad is the design of having seats at the bottom of the stairs? I would be moving pronto.
They have a safety barrier at the bottom of stairs in the upper longside. With 3/4 seats then the stairs fork off both ways to the exit.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:19 pm
by Nori1958
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:08 pm
How bad is the design of having seats at the bottom of the stairs? I would be moving pronto.
They have a safety barrier at the bottom of stairs in the upper longside. With 3/4 seats then the stairs fork off both ways to the exit.
They've been there for years and years and years.... Why after one incident, which we don't even know what caused it, why would they have to move
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:03 pm
by Quickenthetempo
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:19 pm
They've been there for years and years and years.... Why after one incident, which we don't even know what caused it, why would they have to move
I'm not saying they have to move, I'm saying I would.
We don't know how many incidents like that have occurred there, but plenty do around football stadiums, with safety barriers put in to protect people they might land on.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:19 pm
by Nori1958
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:03 pm
I'm not saying they have to move, I'm saying I would.
We don't know how many incidents like that have occurred there, but plenty do around football stadiums, with safety barriers put in to protect people they might land on.
I've sat in there for over 20 yrs.... I've never seen it happen before
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:53 pm
by Quickenthetempo
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:19 pm
I've sat in there for over 20 yrs.... I've never seen it happen before
Did you see this one?
Maybe you could act as a witness?
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:58 pm
by Nori1958
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:53 pm
Did you see this one?
Maybe you could act as a witness?
A witness for what?
I saw the aftermath, missed the fall
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:05 pm
by KlyBfc
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:03 pm
I'm not saying they have to move, I'm saying I would.
We don't know how many incidents like that have occurred there, but plenty do around football stadiums, with safety barriers put in to protect people they might land on.
I sit in the longside upper and some ****** off his rocker fell coming down the stairs at the end of the Sheff Utd game. He took a bloke out in front of him and they both fell over the seats and onto my 9 year old daughter. This caused her to bend forward and bang her chin on the seat in front. It could have been much worse but luckily as it unfolded I managed to launch the guy off her before she got really squashed.
I didn’t complain (though i was approached by someone from the club) as I was solely focussed on her and making sure she was ok (she was crying) and because at the time I thought I’ve been drunk myself. The lad did try to apologise but again I was solely focussed on her so I ignored him.
But it goes to show it does happen round the ground and rather than a barrier they probably be better stopping those off their heads getting into the stadium or removing them sooner when it’s clear they can’t walk properly.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:19 pm
by claptrappers_union
You don't need to be drunk to fall down some stairs. If there is nothing to hold onto and you lose your footing, then the only way is down... And fast.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:23 pm
by claptrappers_union
There is/was a dodgy step at the Madjeski Stadium; it must be a couple of cm higher than the others. Loads of people trip on it.
https://youtu.be/I_7eGc8psWM?si=MW6wVDA-7sUToz9h
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:29 pm
by Dyched
Isn’t there some kind of rule when building houses that stairs have to meet certain dimensions? Sure I read it years ago. I struggle down steps at stadiums or other environments. Well, not struggle but they go against my normal “stair” rhythm.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:28 am
by dsr
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:19 pm
You don't need to be drunk to fall down some stairs. If there is nothing to hold onto and you lose your footing, then the only way is down... And fast.
I've never understood how it can be seen to be safer to have no rail on the Longside Upper steps. I know Clive Holt was asked, possibly at an AGM, why this was, and he confirmed that safety authorities said it was better that way. It seems wildly improbable that having something to hold on to if you are unsteady, or if you stumble, can be a hazard.
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:21 am
by wilks_bfc
dsr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:28 am
I've never understood how it can be seen to be safer to have no rail on the Longside Upper steps. I know Clive Holt was asked, possibly at an AGM, why this was, and he confirmed that safety authorities said it was better that way. It seems wildly improbable that having something to hold on to if you are unsteady, or if you stumble, can be a hazard.
I could be wrong but I don’t recall any ground that has hand falls on the stairs - I’m not sure how that would be possible other than “splitting” the stairs in two and having them down the middle, which would mean them needing to be wider, thus reducing the seats
Not to mention the chaos when you realise you are on the wrong side of the rail to get to your seat
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:26 am
by Nori1958
wilks_bfc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:21 am
I could be wrong but I don’t recall any ground that has hand falls on the stairs - I’m not sure how that would be possible other than “splitting” the stairs in two and having them down the middle, which would mean them needing to be wider, thus reducing the seats
Not to mention the chaos when you realise you are on the wrong side of the rail to get to your seat
The Bob lord stand has hand rails down the middle of the stairways
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:42 am
by wilks_bfc
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:26 am
The Bob lord stand has hand rails down the middle of the stairways
Of course it does
(it’s early and not had enough coffee)
Re: Bob Lord stand - incident at Liverpool game
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:16 am
by ChrisG
Dyched wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:29 pm
Isn’t there some kind of rule when building houses that stairs have to meet certain dimensions? Sure I read it years ago. I struggle down steps at stadiums or other environments. Well, not struggle but they go against my normal “stair” rhythm.
Building Regulations govern most structures, however you've also got what's known as the Green Guide that applies to sports stadia. This give details about how big the rake (angle) of seating should be, row sizes, concourse areas etc.
Quite interesting if you fancy some light reading
(it’s early and not had enough coffee)