• Scrap VAR

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:42 pm**

It’s every week at this stage. How many points have they done us out of now?

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:44 pm**

None tonight, Trafford did that, or VK for not having a taller/stronger keeper - blame whichever.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:48 pm**

It's a definite foul. 100%. The more angles they showed, the more obvious it was

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:48 pm**

Bloody rubbish, which idiots are stuck in there?

I’m fed up with the PL

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:50 pm**

Not sure how it's VAR's fault. Onfield officials should have called the foul

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:51 pm**

Yep foul everyday of the week

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:52 pm**

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:42 pm
It’s every week at this stage. How many points have they done us out of now?

How about we try to beat opposition by scoring more goals.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:53 pm**

The onfield official may not have got a clear view as the area was packed with players and only sees it the once

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:54 pm**

Total bxxxxxxx point robbed at Villa now 2 more tonight.We are getting points deducted by VAR

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:00 pm**

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:48 pm
It's a definite foul. 100%. The more angles they showed, the more obvious it was

its a foul, in any other game in any top league in europe
but as its burnley, in injury time - the guys making the decisions give it
he moves clearly into trafford to obstruct him getting the ball
saying that though tresor gave the ball away to allow them to attack
and we arent clinical enough

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:03 pm**

Lets get the hell out of this division asap!

Premier league is more bent than the f...ing post office.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:12 pm**

oswyclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:03 pm
Lets get the hell out of this division asap!

Premier league is more bent than the f...ing post office.

We're trying

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:15 pm**

VAR - probably designed by the same bunch who came up with the Post Office system.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:16 pm**

AmbleClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:52 pm
How about we try to beat opposition by scoring more goals.

We had scored more than the opposition until the ref and VAR decided otherwise.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:17 pm**

Didn’t deserve 3 points anyway to be honest

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:19 pm**

It’s not really a clear and obvious error by the ref to give the goal as the keeper isn’t getting near the cross?

Also we were/are gash.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:19 pm**

Juan Tanamera wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:16 pm
We had scored more than the opposition until the ref and VAR decided otherwise.

I meant more than one,so that bad decisions aren't game changers. This was Luton, at home, come on.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:35 pm**

https://twitter.com/PapaSmurf1878/statu ... gr%5Etweet

no consistancy

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:36 pm**

Tribesmen wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:51 pm
Yep foul everyday of the week

Except Friday.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:36 pm**

Scrap VAR and we still draw tonight

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:38 pm**

Scrap it altogether or at least scrap the idiots using it.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:38 pm**

Weak keeper, im afraid. No foul.
Has to be stronger.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:51 pm**

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:38 pm
Weak keeper, im afraid. No foul.
Has to be stronger.

The number of times I've read this utter nonsense view is ridiculous already...

Have you actually watched it back? There is zero doubt that Adebayo backs into him whilst in no way attempting to go for the ball. Trafford has eyes on claiming the ball.

JJ Watt will be advising he is included in the next NFL draft he did that good a job on Trafford.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:54 pm**

Absolutely. People blaming Trafford are deluded......Adebayo blatantly and deliberately blocks Trafford who is looking to claim the ball. Thise blaming Trafford should go out tomorrow morning and attempt to run through the nearest 6 foot plus brick s***house to see what happens.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:55 pm**

AmbleClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:19 pm
I meant more than one,so that bad decisions aren't game changers. This was Luton, at home, come on.

Well maybe if Amdouni's second, third and fourth touches had been somewhat better than his first we may have had a hateful.
Come on.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:57 pm**

Just posted this on the Trafford thread..

If a player barging forward with his back to play blocking the keeper is not obstruction at the very least, something has gone very wrong in the rules.

I’m no lover of over protection for goalkeepers, and I prefer the idea of a more robust attitude in general, but if VAR are not over ruling that then it is time they called it a day. VAR was a great idea, but it has just another layer of bad refereeing through its bonkers implementation.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:00 pm**

Somethingfishy wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:51 pm
The number of times I've read this utter nonsense view is ridiculous already...

Have you actually watched it back? There is zero doubt that Adebayo backs into him whilst in no way attempting to go for the ball. Trafford has eyes on claiming the ball.

JJ Watt will be advising he is included in the next NFL draft he did that good a job on Trafford.

Spot on
The Luton guy just deliberately blocks off Trafford coming to claim the ball!
Can`t wait to get away from the Pl var corruption

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:22 pm**

Just playing devil's advocate why then aren't free kicks awarded against us every time we kick off at the start of a game/half?

You can blatantly see 2 or 3 of our players block off the opposition forwards from chasing Trafford down and the ball isn't even in the same postcode.

Trafford had no need to come for that cross with all the bodies there and saves the header with ease if he stays put.

A real shame as I thought he had a good night between the posts tonight too, probably his best all round performance in a Clarets shirt.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:24 pm**

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:22 pm
Just playing devil's advocate why then aren't free kicks awarded against us every time we kick off at the start of a game/half?

You can blatantly see 2 or 3 of our players block off the opposition forwards from chasing Trafford down and the ball isn't even in the same postcode.

Trafford had no need to come for that cross with all the bodies there and saves the header with ease if he stays put.

A real shame as I thought he had a good night between the posts tonight too, probably his best all round performance in a Clarets shirt.

They should be. Three of them did it in the first half.

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:25 pm**

JR1882 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:19 pm
It’s not really a clear and obvious error by the ref to give the goal as the keeper isn’t getting near the cross?

Also we were/are gash.

I agree we were gash but it's definitely a clear error. Adebayo doesn't go for the ball, he goes for the man. Regardless of whether Trafford is going to get to the cross or not, he's not given the opportunity because Adebayo blocks him off. It's as blatant a foul on a goalkeeper as you'll ever see NOT given!!

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:28 pm**

If that was 5mins into the game at 0-0 the foul is given. Similar given in every single game you'll see. The ref bottled it, VAR bottled it

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:41 pm**

Var doesn't need scrapping. The people running it do.

I was all for it

"What could we fear from var?" Oh how wrong I was

Posted: **Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:44 pm**

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:28 pm
If that was 5mins into the game at 0-0 the foul is given.

It wasn't a foul.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:09 am**

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:38 pm
Weak keeper, im afraid. No foul.
Has to be stronger.

It's a foul every day of the week. It has been for 20 years.

Their lad moves in to play the keeper. It's not allowed. Quite simple.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:13 am**

Nope.
Like I said on another thread, Muric keeps that out
24/7.

And that's simple.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:18 am**

Let’s be honest………

The fact we’re blaming VAR………Luton did a job……going to a back 5 invited them onto us.,…we all knew they always had a chance from balls into the box, corners etc…….

Trafford should have come through that #######

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:19 am**

had we have got that goal there would be radio silence. we lost because we were poor.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:27 am**

If referees had made all decisions correct this season, we would have had (I reckon) 18 points. We'll have 2 more for the goal disallowed at Forest, 1 for the last minute penalty not given at Bournemouth, 1 for the last minute penalty given at Villa, and 2 tonight. Plus the 12 that we have earned, none of them (so far as I know) noticeably affected by bad decisions.

But refs haven't made all decisions correctly, and if VAR wasn't in existence, we would have 14 points because the refs got the Bournemouth, Villa and Luton decisions wrong off their own bat. (VAR could have corrected them but decided not to.) So we have lost 4 of our 18 points, 22% of the total, so no wonder that they want to try and make it better. This is what VAR was brought in for.

And what's the effect of VAR? It's to find an excuse to disallow our winner at Forest. A decision so blatantly wrong that they wrote and apologised. Witohut VAR, our 18 points would have been cut to 14; with VAR, it's cut to 12. 33% of our earned points gone, because of poor refereeing made worse by VAR.

I reckon if they had a poll about VAR at Turf Moor before the match, there wouldn't have been 100 people inside the ground who like it in its current form and want it to remain. And I bet you wouldn't get anywhere near a majority who would want to keep it with tweaks. I don't know any football supporter who thinks it's a good thing.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:29 am**

If there was no VAR, it’s still a goal. The problem isn’t VAR, it’s **** refs.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:33 am**

VAR has completely ruined any enjoyment left in watching football. I look forward to watching Championship football and pray that VAR is either scrapped completely or continues to ruin the game of football just in the Premier League.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:38 am**

VAR has added one thing. The cheer as Luton kicked off after our goal.

Once upon a time there was a signal to know that a goal had been given (the ball hitting the back of the net was a good sign, with a glance at the linesman and ref to confirm.) Now, it's not a goal until the next kick-off.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:30 am**

Just reading about whether VAR will ever be introduced in the championship. It was used in the play off finals the last two years. These lines made me laugh:

In the 2021/22 season, VAR was introduced in the Championship, League One and League Two play-off finals at Wembley.

This was the first time it was used in the play-off finals, and it was used again last season, as the EFL wanted there to be no controversy when it came to the biggest games in the EFL calendar.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:38 am**

dsr wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:27 am
If referees had made all decisions correct this season, we would have had (I reckon) 18 points. We'll have 2 more for the goal disallowed at Forest, 1 for the last minute penalty not given at Bournemouth, 1 for the last minute penalty given at Villa, and 2 tonight. Plus the 12 that we have earned, none of them (so far as I know) noticeably affected by bad decisions.

But refs haven't made all decisions correctly, and if VAR wasn't in existence, we would have 14 points because the refs got the Bournemouth, Villa and Luton decisions wrong off their own bat. (VAR could have corrected them but decided not to.) So we have lost 4 of our 18 points, 22% of the total, so no wonder that they want to try and make it better. This is what VAR was brought in for.

And what's the effect of VAR? It's to find an excuse to disallow our winner at Forest. A decision so blatantly wrong that they wrote and apologised. Witohut VAR, our 18 points would have been cut to 14; with VAR, it's cut to 12. 33% of our earned points gone, because of poor refereeing made worse by VAR.

I reckon if they had a poll about VAR at Turf Moor before the match, there wouldn't have been 100 people inside the ground who like it in its current form and want it to remain. And I bet you wouldn't get anywhere near a majority who would want to keep it with tweaks. I don't know any football supporter who thinks it's a good thing.

Should have had a pen v Man U
Another pen v whu
A red card a 0-0 v CP

We were lucky against Liverpool. But it made no difference

And earlier in the season an offside goal was given against us but we still lost

We ae possibly 10 pts short

We have played well in games and got nothing, and poorly in some and got something

But are well shy of what we deserve

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:48 am**

JR1882 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:19 pm
It’s not really a clear and obvious error by the ref to give the goal as the keeper isn’t getting near the cross?

Also we were/are gash.

3 things

1. It doesn't actually matter if Trafford is getting near the ball. A foul is a foul anywhere on the pitch, proximity to to the ball being irrelevant
2. He was easily getting to the area of the ball if he wasnt obstructed
3. Adebayo clearly obstructs Trafford moving towards the ball without any intention of playing the ball

It's about as blatant a foul as you will ever see. Every part of the rulebook and the simplest of interpretations at every level confirms it. Its only contentious if you deliberately bend the rules. Like VAR did

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:03 am**

The PL has invented a new game where obstructing the goalkeeper doesn't count as a foul anymore. You can man mark the goalkeeper and block him out. Even at set pieces. Utter joke.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:16 am**

Loads of thing's to think about:
1) if no VAR - it's a goal
2) If VAR is there to change clear and obvious errors - they failed
3) anyone trying to blame Trafford has an agenda - sorry, my opinion - Muric would have done the same
4) I was angry about the decisions at Forrest, Villa, etc. etc. but this has made me FURIOUS. It was so obvious. I'm lost.
5) I'm a Burnley fan. I love my team and will support them. I believe that we are going overcome all this BS.
6) and I trust Kompany to do this.
P.S. I hope he tells Foster to go slam into Edison at the first opportunity and see what happens.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:26 am**

Lord_Bob wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:16 am
Loads of thing's to think about:
1) if no VAR - it's a goal

Not it’s that straight forward. The ref might not have been sure so hoped that VAR would sort it out.

Or without VAR, he could’ve backed himself more and disallowed the goal.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 am**

Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:54 pm
Absolutely. People blaming Trafford are deluded......Adebayo blatantly and deliberately blocks Trafford who is looking to claim the ball. Thise blaming Trafford should go out tomorrow morning and attempt to run through the nearest 6 foot plus brick s***house to see what happens.

Blocking someone is not against the rules Stalban.

As PGMOL explained, it was a coming together of two players.

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:40 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 am
Blocking someone is not against the rules Stalban.

As PGMOL explained, it was a coming together of two players.

You are bang on the money as always

Posted: **Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:42 am**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:40 am
You are bang on the money as always

The key is the last part of that paragraph

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