• Kompany's Signings (Complete List)

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:11 pm**

Signings under Kompany with fee as reported by Transfermarkt (in Euros)

Summer 2023:
Zeki Amdouni – 18.06
James Trafford 17.3
Aaron Ramsey – 16.45
Jordan Beyer 15.
Sander Berge 13.9
Wilson Odabert 12
Dara O’Shea 7.8
Michael Obafemi 4
Hannes Delcroix 3
Luca Koleosho 3
Nathan Redmond – free
Han-Noah Massengo – free
Lawrence Vigourox – free
Mike Tresor – loan. **
David Datro Fofana – loan.
Jacob Bruun Larsen – loan.
Total 111.05 million

Previous season:
Lyle Foster 11
Ameen Al-Dakhil 5
Benson Manuel 4
Anass Zaroury 4
Darko Churlinov – 3.5
Josh Cullen – 3
Arijnet Muric 3
Scott Twine 2.9
Hjalmar Ekdal 2.8
Luke McNally 1.85
Vitinho – 1
Samuel Bastien 0.8
Enock Agyei 0.35
CJ Egan-Riley free
Denis Franchi – unknown
Total 43.2 million.

Grand Total Spent 154.25 million euros

*Loan deals no longer with club:
Taylor Harwood-Bellis
Ian Maatsen
Halil Devisoglu
Nathan Tella

**Obligation to buy Tresor at 18 million (The Athletic)

(Total committed with Tresor fee: 172.25 million)

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:13 pm**

Not cheap building an entire new squad

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:14 pm**

Think Villa had our pants down.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:16 pm**

Ptgclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:14 pm
Think Villa had our pants down.

Give him time, the same was said about Foster this time last year.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:16 pm**

Staggering

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:17 pm**

Worth remembering that those fees will be the maximum we pay, depending on various clauses being met.

I'd be surprised if the total of the "base" fees is much more than half of the total shown there.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:18 pm**

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:17 pm
Worth remembering that those fees will be the maximum we pay, depending on various clauses being met.

I'd be surprised if the total of the "base" fees is much more than half of the total shown there.

Correct , those figures are absolute top line. Bonuses etc .

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:19 pm**

Mainly positive, some great, some have failed but from where we were in Aug 2022, we are better off.

We could easily be a mid table Championship side at this moment in time.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:20 pm**

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:17 pm
Worth remembering that those fees will be the maximum we pay, depending on various clauses being met.

I'd be surprised if the total of the "base" fees is much more than half of the total shown there.

I don't think that is the case - certainly not in all the cases. Trafford fee for example was reported as much higher than 17.3 million euros when add-ons were included. Multiple media reports had it as 19 million GBP - so over 20 million euros.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:21 pm**

Just think what SD could have done with that amount of money if given the chance by Garlic and co.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:23 pm**

Goody1975 wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:16 pm
Give him time, the same was said about Foster this time last year.

Foster has done fantastically well to step up to the Premier League and be a real threat.

Ramsey should find it much easier next season stepping down to the championship - but still seems like an obscene amount of money for the 10 very ineffectual appearances so far.

I'd be delighted for him to prove me wrong.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:23 pm**

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:18 pm
Correct , those figures are absolute top line. Bonuses etc .

I thought Traff's fee is around £14mill initial with add-ons up to £19 million?

Will be somewhat accurate anyway + / - 10-15 mill or so

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:25 pm**

forzagranata wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:11 pm
Signings under Kompany with fee as reported by Transfermarkt (in Euros)

Summer 2023:
Zeki Amdouni – 18.06
James Trafford 17.3
Aaron Ramsey – 16.45
Jordan Beyer 15.
Sander Berge 13.9
Wilson Odabert 12
Dara O’Shea 7.8
Michael Obafemi 4
Hannes Delcroix 3
Luca Koleosho 3
Nathan Redmond – free
Han-Noah Massengo – free
Lawrence Vigourox – free
Mike Tresor – loan. **
David Datro Fofana – loan.
Jacob Bruun Larsen – loan.
Total 111.05 million

Previous season:
Lyle Foster 11
Ameen Al-Dakhil 5
Benson Manuel 4
Anass Zaroury 4
Darko Churlinov – 3.5
Josh Cullen – 3
Arijnet Muric 3
Scott Twine 2.9
Hjalmar Ekdal 2.8
Luke McNally 1.85
Vitinho – 1
Samuel Bastien 0.8
Enock Agyei 0.35
CJ Egan-Riley free
Denis Franchi – unknown
Total 43.2 million.

Grand Total Spent 154.25 million euros

*Loan deals no longer with club:
Taylor Harwood-Bellis
Ian Maatsen
Halil Devisoglu
Nathan Tella

**Obligation to buy Tresor at 18 million (The Athletic)

(Total committed with Tresor fee: 172.25 million)

I think the first season all his signings were ok apart from Churlinov who was pretty average before he got injured ,but this season I don’t think Ramsey,Redmond ,Tresor,Obafemi,and Larsen have done much apart from Larsen scoring a couple of good goals.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:26 pm**

Where do Transfermarkt get their fee information from?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:26 pm**

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:23 pm
I thought Traff's fee is around £14mill initial with add-ons up to £19 million?

Will be somewhat accurate anyway + / - 10-15 mill or so

Yep 14 million GBP - which is pretty close to the 17.3 million EUROS cited by transfermarkt.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:26 pm**

We need a list of outgoings in the same period for context, and also worth keeping in mind the reduction in wages.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:27 pm**

X5 player sale's and we recoup

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:28 pm**

South West Claret. wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:21 pm
Just think what SD could have done with that amount of money if given the chance by Garlic and co.

I'm very pro Dyche, he was great for us.

What he did wrong was inflating contracts of the key players and hamstringing himself in the transfer market, at a club like us you have to be prepared to let players go and replace them.
We did it with Keane>Tarkowski but didn't do it with Tarkowski or Mee later on and they eventually left for nowt.

There is a pot of money which is used for transfers and wages. Keep increasing wages and the transfer pot runs dry.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:29 pm**

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:26 pm
Where do Transfermarkt get their fee information from?

They look at the highest quoted price in the media

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:30 pm**

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:26 pm
Where do Transfermarkt get their fee information from?

Its information they receive. So the sources will vary with each deal. Clubs sometimes make it official, often not. Over the years they have built up a reputation for being the closest to reality - in a business with little transparency of course. I've heard club officials challenge media reports of fees but I can't think of ever hearing one challenge Transfermarkt. That doesn't mean they might not be wrong on occassion of course.

I tend to cite them because they don't hype up the numbers for headlines and if anything tend to be on the more conservative side.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:30 pm**

worth remembering that Transfermarkt is laughed at by anyone who works in football, it's been discredited so many times.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:33 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:29 pm
They look at the highest quoted price in the media

The transfermarkt number is usually below that to be fair.

But until clubs are forced to make honest public statements about transfers its the best we have to go off IMO.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:37 pm**

Odabert 12 million? Can’t remember the fee being anywhere near that, maybe someone can jog my memory.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:38 pm**

Transfer market is a gauge not a factual source of information, it won't be 100% but somewhere in the correct ball park.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:38 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:30 pm
worth remembering that Transfermarkt is laughed at by anyone who works in football, it's been discredited so many times.

There is no transparency around most transfer fees. So if we want to get a rough idea, you have to go off 'reported fees'. I'd go with transfermarkt over the tabloids for example.

But go ahead and make a list using newspapers or other websites and see what number you come up with.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:38 pm**

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:37 pm
Odabert 12 million? Can’t remember the fee being anywhere near that, maybe someone can jog my memory.

Thought it was £9 million rising to.....

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:41 pm**

Transfermarkt fees are just added by volunteers to the site. They don't know any more than you or I do and thus you shouldn't put any stock in the fees as listed. They probably broadly relate to the reality (as it would if you asked me how much our signings cost) but it is not privileged information in any way.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:41 pm**

Goody1975 wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:28 pm
I'm very pro Dyche, he was great for us.

What he did wrong was inflating contracts of the key players and hamstringing himself in the transfer market, at a club like us you have to be prepared to let players go and replace them.
We did it with Keane>Tarkowski but didn't do it with Tarkowski or Mee later on and they eventually left for nowt.

There is a pot of money which is used for transfers and wages. Keep increasing wages and the transfer pot runs dry.

Yes I understand that but what fundermentley changed was that Garlic and co changed the very successful funding which proved disastrous for the club and a complete lack of thanks to SD and his team for their magnificent effort of keeping Burnley FC.

He’s replaced that very successful period in our history with what?

Gambling on a young replacement in his place having lashed the above eye watering figures.

Well I only help he and his singings prove successful.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:41 pm**

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:37 pm
Odabert 12 million? Can’t remember the fee being anywhere near that, maybe someone can jog my memory.

Euros.

French media reports stated 'around 11 million' at the time we bidded for him. So its in that ballpark.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:42 pm**

forzagranata wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:33 pm
The transfermarkt number is usually below that to be fair.

But until clubs are forced to make honest public statements about transfers its the best we have to go off IMO.

Well just looking at the list, Ramsey was reported at 12m by Nixon, who was the first one to call this deal. Transfermrkt has it nearly 15m (likely including potential bonuses). Likewise Trafford is at 14.7m here despite 13.7m report by a few. Odobert was reported at 11m euros, here it’s 12. Beyer was suggested to be 7m by some journos, 13 by others, here it’s gone with the latter. Looks on the high side for most.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:42 pm**

We bought a lot of players in the first season that could be argued were good purchases … good value ..in the second season it looks like we have wasted so much money

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:43 pm**

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:41 pm
Transfermarkt fees are just added by volunteers to the site. They don't know any more than you or I do and thus you shouldn't put any stock in the fees as listed. They probably broadly relate to the reality (as it would if you asked me how much our signings cost) but it is not privileged information in any way.

Yep - the point of posting wasn't to say definitively that these were the actual fees. Odabert and other deals were officially 'undisclosed'

Its more interesting to look at how many of these 31 signings can be deemed to have been successes?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:43 pm**

forzagranata wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:30 pm
Its information they receive. So the sources will vary with each deal. Clubs sometimes make it official, often not. Over the years they have built up a reputation for being the closest to reality - in a business with little transparency of course. I've heard club officials challenge media reports of fees but I can't think of ever hearing one challenge Transfermarkt. That doesn't mean they might not be wrong on occassion of course.

I tend to cite them because they don't hype up the numbers for headlines and if anything tend to be on the more conservative side.

Nearly every fee on there is the “reported” fee, so have they got these fees from media reports or “sources”? Also isn’t it almost always more likely for the selling club to want to put a fee out there? If it is, aren’t they more likely to put out the full value of a deal (inc future incentives/clauses)?

Anyway, I’ve just looked through the market value of our squad and if we’re trusting Transfermarkt because of its reputation, we’ve got nothing to worry about. Lots of our player are worth as much (sometimes more) than we paid they say. Al Dakhil is worth €15m for example. Josh Brownhill is worth €18m apparently.

The future is secure according to Transfermarkt. Unless of course we’re only trusting them for some things to make a point.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:44 pm**

Had a look down the list and counted how many of them I think look like good signings for the Premier League in the short term. Didn't get past the fingers of one hand.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:45 pm**

I should have known this would turn into a thread about transfermarkt!

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:49 pm**

Regardless of how accurate the numbers are, we’ve clearly spent a hell of a lot over the past couple of seasons. Using ball park figures, you would say that €40m to rebuild the squad when we were relegated, alongside selling our best players and reducing the wage bill was good business. The €100m spent since winning promotion looks like poor business on the whole.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:50 pm**

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:37 pm
Odabert 12 million? Can’t remember the fee being anywhere near that, maybe someone can jog my memory.

Whether it’s 8, 11 or 12, we’ll be selling him for a lot more than that. Unbelievable player.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:53 pm**

Last season's business was a huge success based on the outcome of the season and the fact we sold players for loads as well.

This season's business has been a huge failure and we will need sales this summer.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:56 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:49 pm
Regardless of how accurate the numbers are, we’ve clearly spent a hell of a lot over the past couple of seasons. Using ball park figures, you would say that €40m to rebuild the squad when we were relegated, alongside selling our best players and reducing the wage bill was good business. The €100m spent since winning promotion looks like poor business on the whole.

As it stands, they were never going to settle in at the same time.

We know we needed two or three stronger players in certain positions to help these youngsters to thrive, that is the main mistake the manager/recruitment team have made but on the whole we are far better off than in August 2022.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:56 pm**

I would put them in these categories:

Absolute Premier League success:
Definite Promise: Amdouni, Beyer, Berge, Odabert, Koleosho, Foster,
Jury Still Out: Trafford, Ramsey, O’Shea, Obafemi, Delcroix, Tresor, Larsen, Al-Daklhil, Vitinho.
Who knows? Massengo, Vigourox, Fofana,Churlinov, Franchi,
Championship successes – Zaroury, Benson, Edkdal, Culllen, Muric
Didn’t work out (yet): Bastien, Egan-Riley, Twine, McNally

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:56 pm**

Ptgclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:14 pm
Think Villa had our pants down.

I hugely disagree. He’s a quality player that needs a run of games. I’d send him out to a good championship club on loan to get him playing games….unless we sell Brownhill.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:57 pm**

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:53 pm
Last season's business was a huge success based on the outcome of the season and the fact we sold players for loads as well.

This season's business has been a huge failure and we will need sales this summer.

Yep and I suspect very few people will disagree. We can get into a debate about the extent to which last summers business has/will cost us, but it’ll be degrees of the same point.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:58 pm**

Goody1975 wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:28 pm
I'm very pro Dyche, he was great for us.

What he did wrong was inflating contracts of the key players and hamstringing himself in the transfer market, at a club like us you have to be prepared to let players go and replace them.
We did it with Keane>Tarkowski but didn't do it with Tarkowski or Mee later on and they eventually left for nowt.

There is a pot of money which is used for transfers and wages. Keep increasing wages and the transfer pot runs dry.

Covid and it's impacts on Garlick's business & football in general has a lot to answer for here - it isn't as straight forward as being made out.

I strongly believe if Covid didn't hit, we were lining up to reinvest into the playing squad, it really cannot be stated enough.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:59 pm**

Goody1975 wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:56 pm
As it stands, they were never going to settle in at the same time.

We know we needed two or three stronger players in certain positions to help these youngsters to thrive, that is the main mistake the manager/recruitment team have made but on the whole we are far better off than in August 2022.

If they were never going to settle in at the same time, and those responsible for our transfer policy knew this, then it's even poorer business.

We're in a better position than in August 2022 because we since won promotion to the Premier League. I don't think we're in a better position than May 2023 though.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:00 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:49 pm
Regardless of how accurate the numbers are, we’ve clearly spent a hell of a lot over the past couple of seasons. Using ball park figures, you would say that €40m to rebuild the squad when we were relegated, alongside selling our best players and reducing the wage bill was good business. The €100m spent since winning promotion looks like poor business on the whole.

Hurry for sensible comments!

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:06 pm**

Hurray*

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:06 pm**

Ptgclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:14 pm
Think Villa had our pants down.

Best player on the pitch against Man UTD.

Give the lad time

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:09 pm**

forzagranata wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:56 pm
I would put them in these categories:

Absolute Premier League success:
Definite Promise: Amdouni, Beyer, Berge, Odabert, Koleosho, Foster,
Jury Still Out: Trafford, Ramsey, O’Shea, Obafemi, Delcroix, Tresor, Larsen, Al-Daklhil, Vitinho.
Who knows? Massengo, Vigourox, Fofana,Churlinov, Franchi,
Championship successes – Zaroury, Benson, Edkdal, Culllen, Muric
Didn’t work out (yet): Bastien, Egan-Riley, Twine, McNally

Would probably move Berge, Odobert, Koleosho and Foster in to Premier League success. I’d be surprised if we don’t receive bids for those in summer, which must mean they’ve been successful, no? Most on here are predicting they’ll leave and other clubs don’t bid for unsuccessful players.

I’d move Trafford in to definite promise along with O’Shea who I think has been excellent in recent weeks, showing real potential and whatever anyone tells me, his pace is why we signed him over THB - a huge asset.

And I’d demote Obafemi to who knows.

Other than that, I’d tend to agree.

That said, I really can’t understand why everyone is so keen to comment on signings, whether they’ll be successful, whether we’ll profit from them, etc, etc after 20 games and half a season. It’s far far too early to determine whether these young players are going to be successful for us and personally.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:09 pm**

Bowclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:06 pm
Best player on the pitch against Man UTD.

Give the lad time

Some crazy lack of patience on here for a boy who turned 21 today.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:10 pm**

I don’t think we’d be far off making a profit of we sold everyone

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