After the none call for the foul on Ramsey it seems to me the only way to improve VAR is to go the American Football system.
The coach gets 2 challenges per half. If his challenge is upheld he keeps it, if he is wrong he loses it. VK wouldn’t have got a booking for saying, “that’s a foul” he would just challenge and be proved correct. 1-1.

Said before, remove Stockley Park altogether and as you say a team get two challenges per game, when they want to make a challenge ref on the field comes and takes a look, if challenge successful you retain it, if not you lose it.

Or, we just stop messing about with the game?

Can we just not stand up as supporters and say NO.

Its crap, it spoils the game, it takes power away from the officials.

Just say no

Just a prem tool to ensure correct outcome, rather than correct decision.

Utterly corrupt

If Ramsey had thrown himself to the floor screaming (like MacAllister did) he would have got a free kick. We need to join in the cheating.

JLR81 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:08 pm

If Ramsey had thrown himself to the floor screaming (like MacAllister did) he would have got a free kick. We need to join in the cheating.

He should have done, clear kick on the shin (pads). Jota would have jumped up a metre and rolled around as if he’d been shot

The more you cheat, the more you prosper.

JLR81 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:08 pm

If Ramsey had thrown himself to the floor screaming (like MacAllister did) he would have got a free kick. We need to join in the cheating.

This

JLR81 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:08 pm

If Ramsey had thrown himself to the floor screaming (like MacAllister did) he would have got a free kick. We need to join in the cheating.

No, we shouldn't.
It's the cheating in professional football that has created things like VAR.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:48 pm

After the none call for the foul on Ramsey it seems to me the only way to improve VAR is to go the American Football system.
The coach gets 2 challenges per half. If his challenge is upheld he keeps it, if he is wrong he loses it. VK wouldn’t have got a booking for saying, “that’s a foul” he would just challenge and be proved correct. 1-1.

That still requires someone to make a correct decision.

You can let incidents like that go if they’re missed by the referee, although the referee shouldn’t really be missing it. But for the VAR to purposefully review the incident, watch Macallister clearly kick Ramsey in the shin and then say no foul is just inexcusable incompetence.

Naivety from us. Other Prem players go down there and get the decision, honesty gets you nothing.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:29 pm

You can let incidents like that go if they’re missed by the referee, although the referee shouldn’t really be missing it. But for the VAR to purposefully review the incident, watch Macallister clearly kick Ramsey in the shin and then say no foul is just inexcusable incompetence.

VAR never reviewed it that far back. Only from the challenge on Amdouni, 1second later.

Macallister cheated plain and simple. He knew he'd fouled ramsay with a bad challenge that was at least a yellow, so what did he do ? Go down himself screaming like he'd been shot. His play acting should also have seen him get a yellow.

How the ref and then VAR didn't see it is just a fkin joke but perhaps not, this is Burnley at Anfield afterall.

My Twitter comment:

‘ Atwell gives a pen for for Villa for Ramsey standing on someone’s toenail. Ramsey gets volleyed when he’s on VAR and doesn’t blink an eyelid. One rolls around on the ground, one stays on his feet. Just wrong all around.’

The letter we receive this week will make all the difference.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:48 pm

After the none call for the foul on Ramsey it seems to me the only way to improve VAR is to go the American Football system.
The coach gets 2 challenges per half. If his challenge is upheld he keeps it, if he is wrong he loses it. VK wouldn’t have got a booking for saying, “that’s a foul” he would just challenge and be proved correct. 1-1.

Wouldn't make any difference. Var is suposed to asses any decision so in theory we have unlimited challenges but it's just pish

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:39 pm

VAR never reviewed it that far back. Only from the challenge on Amdouni, 1second later.

On the stream I was watching the commentator suggested that they were looking at the possible foul on Ramsey.

Obvious that cheats do prosper in the Prem.

JLR81 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:08 pm

If Ramsey had thrown himself to the floor screaming (like MacAllister did) he would have got a free kick. We need to join in the cheating.

I’ve said this for ages. We are too naive. It was the same when Dyche got us promoted first time when we got no decisions.
It changed a bit as Dyche got wise to this and encouraged Barnes to engage in his sh*thousery.

Kompany should come out and say his coaching staff will be looking closely at how our opponents win free kicks and that all players at his club will be practising the exact same tactics (such as hitting the deck at the slightest touch, rolling around in agony and beating the floor in pain when they are not even injured). He would get in trouble probably but you would love to hear him saying it.

We had Stephen Warnock and another Liverpool fan commentary on the USA coverage. Warnock was actually very impartial. He was adamant ihe second goal should have been ruled out

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:46 pm

On the stream I was watching the commentator suggested that they were looking at the possible foul on Ramsey.

VAR did look at the Ramsey incident, but then again Attwell probably looked at his phone at halftime and noticed his beloved Luton were losing

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:59 pm

VAR did look at the Ramsey incident, but then again Attwell probably looked at his phone at halftime and noticed his beloved Luton were losing

I can think of 3 possible scenarios.

1. Attwell is corrupt and deliberately chose to allow the dodgy penalty to stand at Villa and to ignore the foul on Ramsey today.

2.Attwell unconsciously believed that there really had been a foul at Villa and forgot to check the tape 1 second previous for Liverpool's second goal.

3. He is just an incompetent idiot who should be nowhere near officiating any game.

I really hope that we raise this issue with the PGMOL and his support for Luton. He should not be officiating in any capacity on matches that could potentially affect the team that he supports.

Anonymous Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:50 pm

I can think of 3 possible scenarios.

1. Attwell is corrupt and deliberately chose to allow the dodgy penalty to stand at Villa and to ignore the foul on Ramsey today.

2.Attwell unconsciously believed that there really had been a foul at Villa and forgot to check the tape 1 second previous for Liverpool's second goal.

3. He is just an incompetent idiot who should be nowhere near officiating any game.

I really hope that we raise this issue with the PGMOL and his support for Luton. He should not be officiating in any capacity on matches that could potentially affect the team that he supports.

1 for me
He should be nowhere near any games involving Lutons relegation rivals.

I genuinely think we should start looking at possible legal action we can take. I accept on pitch bad decisions without much comment but with VAR its absolutely unacceptable and its happening to us too regularly now to be total coincidence.

The Berge one where VAR intervened and the Luton one along with todays are all absolutely dire decisions, i'd say todays was the most obvious of the lot. I dont believe anyone can watch that and not think its a foul, so why aren't they giving it, its all very fishy.

How much more help do the refs need, theyve been given cameras, Video assistants etc and still make an absolute pigs ear of it.

Some of these refs are absolutely thick as pig sh*t as well which doesn't help. Why dont the Premier League start a refereeing apprenticeship scheme in conjuction with the clubs. They could start with refereeing training games at clubs training grounds during the week whilst studying and taking exams and then gradually moving into pro football. If they pay well they will get good quality candidates like in any industry.

This one isn't on VAR. All refs are trained nowadays to give a free kick when a player falls over and not to give it when a player doesn't fall over. 10 refs out of 10 would wave play on when a player gets kicked but carries on. You hear it all the time, "if he had gone down, the ref would have had to make a decision". Every ref, whether live or VAR, would wave play on.

Just seen it on MOTD. Was nowhere near the blatant foul people are making out on here. Embarrassing blaming the officials because we make schoolboy errors every week.

Spot on all 3 Liverpool goals were legitimate

Don’t worry, everything will improve when the powers that be introduce the blue card system.

Agree with the last poster ... not a foul for me ...

The irony is Ramsey was trying to break and score a goal for us which is why he didn’t fall over, he just took a really bad touch and his thinking was naive in not sensing the danger, Amdouni I can excuse, when the ball came to him he was surrounded and had few options, none good.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:48 pm

After the none call for the foul on Ramsey it seems to me the only way to improve VAR is to go the American Football system.
The coach gets 2 challenges per half. If his challenge is upheld he keeps it, if he is wrong he loses it. VK wouldn’t have got a booking for saying, “that’s a foul” he would just challenge and be proved correct. 1-1.

They only get 2 chances per half. If they lose it, then not only do they lose a challenge (which they do regatdless of the outcome) they are punished by having a time out taken from them, so they are somewhat punished for a failed challenge. I'm not sure it'd work as there'd be no comparable punishment

Ramsey must have metal shinnys the way mccalister went down after booting them. 100% simulation trying to win a free kick on the edge of the box when it was actually him he fouled Ramsey

Doesn't look like much of a foul on Ramsey, bit weird that Macallister feigned injury from it though.

Looked a foul on Traffird when he went to clear the ball that then put us under pressure.

The worst var incidents today by miles are the pens in the sheff utd Luton game. Really really stupid decisions made by people with zero understanding of football.

Anonymous Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:50 pm

I can think of 3 possible scenarios.

1. Attwell is corrupt and deliberately chose to allow the dodgy penalty to stand at Villa and to ignore the foul on Ramsey today.

2.Attwell unconsciously believed that there really had been a foul at Villa and forgot to check the tape 1 second previous for Liverpool's second goal.

3. He is just an incompetent idiot who should be nowhere near officiating any game.

I really hope that we raise this issue with the PGMOL and his support for Luton. He should not be officiating in any capacity on matches that could potentially affect the team that he supports.

I’ll go for all three.

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:54 pm

Just seen it on MOTD. Was nowhere near the blatant foul people are making out on here. Embarrassing blaming the officials because we make schoolboy errors every week.

That's what I thought. Was looking for something blatant but seemed a bit of nothing.

If Liverpool hadn’t scored. I’m sure they would’ve brought it back for a foul on Mac Allister.

I despise VAR and didn’t want it bringing in, however this one isn’t on them. Ultimately rereffing every little thing should never be what VAR was brought in for.
Ramsey should have screamed, dived and rolled but his naivety and honesty cost us. Yet I Don’t blame him nor do I blame the ref either in real time, it’s a contact game, you can’t give it all.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:00 pm

Just a prem tool to ensure correct outcome, rather than correct decision.

How very, very true!

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:00 pm

Just a prem tool to ensure correct outcome, rather than correct decision.

Bit like VAR in rugby. I'm convinced they wanted a France win yesterday as that is the only possible reason for not giving the Scotland try. The problem with VAR is that it's only as good as the people reviewing the footage.

I've watched it several times and given the way thr bsll spins on the way from Ramsey to Amdouni, I think its possible MacAllister gets a feather on the ball. On balance I think itsna foul, but I don't think the ref should be criticised for missing it (and I agree MacAllister's ridiculous over-reaction and Ramsey's under reaction made it even harder) and I also think that is too marginal for VAR to overrule. Ramsey should have got rid.

Studs up! VAR should have checked for the foul. Every commentator was saying foil at the time....and yellow card.