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Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:00 pm
by gandhisflipflop
What a good player this lad is. Finally some leadership at the back. He was commanding that back line all afternoon. I hope it was just a precaution to take him off because we will need him.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:02 pm
by RVclaret
He’s class. Proper defender. Can tell he’s got it. Unbelievable we’ve got him in the Championship.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:03 pm
by Ampth7
Grabbed his calf as he went off by the looks of it which is not a good sign

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:04 pm
by burnleymik
Him and O Shea looked excellent together. Assignon too. Starting to see a back line we can start to build on.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:05 pm
by CoolClaret
I really liked all the back four today - complemented each other well.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:06 pm
by MACCA
burnleymik wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:04 pm
Him and O Shea looked excellent together. Assignon too. Starting to see a back line we can start to build on.
For it to all get disassembled in in a few months..

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:06 pm
by cockneyclaret
RVclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:02 pm
He’s class. Proper defender. Can tell he’s got it. Unbelievable we’ve got him in the Championship.
I'll be surprised if half the team are here come relegation

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:06 pm
by alwaysaclaret
Let's pray he's not injured.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:08 pm
by RVclaret
cockneyclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:06 pm
I'll be surprised if half the team are here come relegation
I’d be incredibly surprised if half the team are here!

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:12 pm
by spt_claret
RVclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:08 pm
I’d be incredibly surprised if half the team are here!
And that right there's the problem. That's my worry for next season - if we keep 80-90% we've got a strong platform to expect an immediate bounceback. If not, it's another overhaul & rebuild and rabbits out of hats time.

But I agree re. Esteve, looks a quality find. Really surprised and impressed me.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:13 pm
by Murger
Played well. Him and O’Shea look to have the makings of a decent partnership.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:15 pm
by Goliath
That back 4 is Premier League class. Its the first time we've been able to say that this season. Delcroix is also a very good defender but less comfortable in posesion than Taylor.

If we had started the season with this squad, id fancy our chances of staying up. Maybe we are seeing evidence of Kompanys comments about is getting promoted very early.

By this time next season he will have had time to build his own squad fully and get rid of the flops so we should have more balance. The problem is he has been relying on bringing loads of players in in both seasons for various reasons which werent really his fault so he was bound to have some flops. If hes ruthless in the summer and gets out the underperformers then we will end up with a well balanced squad with some really good quality and depth.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:17 pm
by RVclaret
spt_claret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:12 pm
And that right there's the problem. That's my worry for next season - if we keep 80-90% we've got a strong platform to expect an immediate bounceback. If not, it's another overhaul & rebuild and rabbits out of hats time.

But I agree re. Esteve, looks a quality find. Really surprised and impressed me.
What I mean is, we will keep 80-90% and I’ll be very surprised if we don’t. Can’t see it being another full rebuild. Can make 60-70m off Odobert, Amdouni then all the fringe players.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:18 pm
by RVclaret
Goliath wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:15 pm
That back 4 is Premier League class. Its the first time we've been able to say that this season. Delcroix is also a very good defender but less comfortable in posesion than Taylor.
Surprised you think Delcroix is less comfy in possession than Taylor. I actually think the opposite!

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:18 pm
by Jakubs Tash
Ampth7 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:03 pm
Grabbed his calf as he went off by the looks of it which is not a good sign
Fingers crossed it’s more cramp.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:22 pm
by Vegas Claret
his positioning is good

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:22 pm
by willsclarets
RVclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:17 pm
What I mean is, we will keep 80-90% and I’ll be very surprised if we don’t. Can’t see it being another full rebuild. Can make 60-70m off Odobert, Amdouni then all the fringe players.
Part of the model has to account for relegation as greater possibility if you're buying for the future. You'd hope the contracts of these players reflect that. For most valuations to mature they'll need more than a season.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:27 pm
by RVclaret
willsclarets wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:22 pm
Part of the model has to account for relegation as greater possibility if you're buying for the future. You'd hope the contracts of these players reflect that. For most valuations to mature they'll need more than a season.
Aye fully agree. Younger players won’t be on as big a wage either. Bigger earners are out of contract. This team needs to mature and stick together. Fully believe in its potential.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:29 pm
by gandhisflipflop
If we go down the spine of the team needs to remain.

Esteve bayer/O’Shea

Berge brownhill/new

Foster/amdouni

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:39 pm
by spt_claret
RVclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:17 pm
What I mean is, we will keep 80-90% and I’ll be very surprised if we don’t. Can’t see it being another full rebuild. Can make 60-70m off Odobert, Amdouni then all the fringe players.
Hope you're right, but I worry it'll be release clauses or taking marginal profits all round. Doesn't help that I'm looking at it thinking the players I'd want us to sell on are the ones more likely to stay, and the ones I'd hope to keep will probably move on.
I feel jaded this season. It's been hard, it's been whiplash, but I've also had a lot of stuff going on in my life outside of football that's made football not seem as important or interesting, which has probably added to my dissatisfaction. I'm more positive when I feel more invested. Objectively I know that ultimately, this is still a club in a much, much better position than when I started supporting Burnley, but I'm struggling to feel the spark at the minute, so that could be colouring my pessimism for next year.

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:42 pm
by Blatherwickstattoo
He’ll be out for a few weeks I reckon

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:51 pm
by gandhisflipflop
Blatherwickstattoo wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:42 pm
He’ll be out for a few weeks I reckon
It sums up our season. Can’t keep a settled side, can’t keep players fit

Re: Esteve

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:53 pm
by Goliath
RVclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:18 pm
Surprised you think Delcroix is less comfy in possession than Taylor. I actually think the opposite!
I think delcroix is ok in possession as a centre half but gets a nosebleed when he goes over the half way line. Taylor seems to have more purpose to his play going forwards imo