It took a few months back then but Dyche finally made the switch to bring Heaton back in and our form completely changed.

I feel like this sort of change should’ve been made weeks ago. Is VK brave enough to make the Muric to Trafford change?

Trafford never should’ve been put in this position when he was in League One last season but he’s costing us points week in week out.

Is he?

How many points did the misses by Fofana and Odobert cost us today?

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:33 pm

It took a few months back then but Dyche finally made the switch to bring Heaton back in and our form completely changed.

I feel like this sort of change should’ve been made weeks ago. Is VK brave enough to make the Muric to Trafford change?

Trafford never should’ve been put in this position when he was in League One last season but he’s costing us points week in week out.

Dyche had the sense to change it 1st of January though…

Too late now, I genuinely don’t think Muric is better than him but won’t argue who those that say Trafford hasn’t been great.

He’s a kid that’s been thrown into the deep end, which was daft in my opinion. I’ll not listen to folk constantly have a pop at him though, he’s certainly not been as bad as some make out and I’m convinced we’d be having the same threads ion Muric had he started every game, with comments along the line of “why have we got this expensive keeper on the bench”

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:35 pm

Is he?
How many points did the misses by Fofana and Odobert cost us today?

Fair point but that’s not the discussion. Great shot stopper Trafford might be but he needs to get in the gym and man up. Billy Mercer would make a keeper out of him.

Is Muric better than Trafford, probably not.

Is it time to make a change?

If i was the manager i would make a change. Trafford is dropping or not reaching the ball at least twice a game.

It changes the mood music.

Dos Trafford start next season? Yes

If we play Muric and he does well do we get more money for him? Probably

good point fidel.
our outfield players missing sitters, passing the ball directly to Liverpool players, overhitting crosses, wasting throw in's. Defenders half asleep when we are under pressure in our own area, but just lay it all at the feet of a young keeper !
He has inept players around him week after week, Very unfair to single him out in my humble opinion.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:42 pm

Fair point but that’s not the discussion. Great shot stopper Trafford might be but he needs to get in the gym and man up. Billy Mercer would make a keeper out of him.

Agreed. The decision to get shut of him was always baffling to most fans.

Vk too stubborn . Won’t happen

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:43 pm

good point fidel.
our outfield players missing sitters, passing the ball directly to Liverpool players, overhitting crosses, wasting throw in's. Defenders half asleep when we are under pressure in our own area, but just lay it all at the feet of a young keeper !
He has inept players around him week after week, Very unfair to single him out in my humble opinion.

The only thing you forgot was the managers' team selections and substitutions.

Percy wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:38 pm

Dyche had the sense to change it 1st of January though…

Heaton was number one, but got injured, hence hart playing, and Heaton had proved himself at Premier league level already

Muric has never been number one in the Premier league, and is not proven at this level so not the same situation at all.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:48 pm

Heaton was number one, but got injured, hence hart playing, and Heaton had proved himself at Premier league level already

Muric has never been number one in the Premier league, and is not proven at this level so not the same situation at all.

Im a better goalkeeper than Trafford and I’ve been retired from playing ten years

There remains a strong case for Muric to start.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:48 pm

Heaton was number one, but got injured, hence hart playing, and Heaton had proved himself at Premier league level already

Muric has never been number one in the Premier league, and is not proven at this level so not the same situation at all.

But Trafford has never been number one in the Championship, you can’t expect anybody to make that step up and preform at a high level.

It’s like asking the 17yr old pot washer at a Michelin star restaurant to be the head chef

Percy wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:53 pm

Im a better goalkeeper than Trafford and I’ve been retired from playing ten years

And there we have it. This is why this message board is ridiculous at times.

I can see why you were previously banned.

Percy wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:53 pm

Im a better goalkeeper than Trafford and I’ve been retired from playing ten years

No you are not, stop being silly.

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:54 pm

But Trafford has never been number one in the Championship, you can’t expect anybody to make that step up and preform at a high level.

It’s like asking the 17yr old pot washer at a Michelin star restaurant to be the head chef

The glasses need another wash, manager has missed that and is getting bad reviews on trip advisor.

Percy wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:53 pm

Im a better goalkeeper than Trafford and I’ve been retired from playing ten years

Stop it bumba, my sides are hurting

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:57 pm

Stop it bumba, my sides are hurting

I can do start jumps upwards when it goes down my neck I’m awesome

Unfortunately we have spent £20m on him and we aren't getting our money back.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:55 pm

And there we have it. This is why this message board is ridiculous at times.

I can see why you were previously banned.

What in the world are you on about?

Thing is, Hart was signed because Pope just had a season-ending injury and Dyche wasn't sure if Heaton would be able to remain fit after coming off a bad injury of his own... Oh and Anders Lindegaard also just got a knock...

This is something completely different.

It's dropping the goalkeeper that was a key cog of a 101 point Champ winning season, PFA Champ GK of the year, lowest champ goals conceded and a player that went from strength to strength in his first full season of English football....

...for

... a 20/21 yr old that had never played higher than League One and had a highest place finish of 6th in League One.

Bonkers doesn't cut it. It's the worst managerial decision that I've ever witnessed at Burnley.

He won’t do it

Percy wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:00 pm

What in the world are you on about?

What do you think I'm on about?

You claiming that you're better than a professional goalkeeper is right up there with the dumbest things I've read on here.

There will be a keeper playing tomorrow morning in towneley that is better at corners.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:02 pm

What do you think I'm on about?

You claiming that you're better than a professional goalkeeper is right up there with the dumbest things I've read on here.

He’ll be looking for a new job next season he’s totally failed this season.

Percy wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:02 pm

There will be a keeper playing tomorrow morning in towneley that is better at corners.

Course there will

A settled defence which qualified for the Europa league the previous season, was what Heaton stepped behind. One he’d played with (for the most part) for a year before his injury.

Trafford or even Muric would be behind a defence that’s never played in the PL and is currently in its 14th incantation in 24 games.

Just slight differences in scenario which are probably worth highlighting

Percy wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:03 pm

He’ll be looking for a new job next season he’s totally failed this season.

Whoever you were previously, you were obviously a troll.

I'll leave it at that.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:05 pm

Whoever you were previously, you were obviously a troll.

I'll leave it at that.

The odious superjohnnyfrancis seems to have been deleted from the board.

No longer the sole occupant of my foe list anymore anyway.

Remember Bart Verbruggen was first choice. Trafford was the rushed fall back after Bart chose the money at BHA.

Definitely time for Aro

It was time for a change months ago but here we are. Past caring for this season now. Totally ****** it so we may as well just keep playing him so he’s ready for the Championship which is where he should have been playing this season anyway. It’s not like Muric is going to want to stick around, and who can blame him?

The biggest difference between those two situations is that we didn't spend going up towards 20 million on Joe Hart.

So when SD belatedly brought Heaton back into the team for Hart -- it was a purely football decision.

I bet VK would throw Muric straight back in if we had a top half PL defence, which Muric had been playing behind for a few years already.

Seen as we don't, I can't see Muric wearing the GK's shirt suddenly galvanising the turd of a defensive unit (all 14 variants of it this season).

We are playing with what feels like a little boy in goal. Muric has presence and can drive the ball when he passes and kicks it a lot longer with purpose.

VK is too stubborn to change it, but we aren’t giving ourselves a chance.

Decent idea. Way too late unfortunately.

forzagranata wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:24 pm

The biggest difference between those two situations is that we didn't spend going up towards 20 million on Joe Hart.

So when SD belatedly brought Heaton back into the team for Hart -- it was a purely football decision.

Why is this nonsense theory that Kompany would rather be relegated than be seen to make a mistake, continally circulating? I mean, it seems to me that for a manager to say "it is more important to be relegated than to change my goalkeeper, because changing my goalkeeper would make me look a bad manager" is fatuous. Getting relegated is what could make a manager look a bad manager.

I realise many people believe that, having spent £15m on a player, that player must start every week. Which is presumably why Tresor is starting every week (apart from all the weeks he doesn't) and why Ramsey is starting every week (apart from all the weeks he doesn't).

Here's a revolutionary thought. Perhaps, just perhaps, Kompany is starting Trafford because he thinks he's a better goalkeeper. (And also when Vincent Kompany has one opinion on a footballer he sees every day, while Elizabeth has a different opinion, and one of you is wrong - perhaps, just perhaps, it's not Vincent Kompany.)

Trafford’s transfer fee rises every week on here.

In my 40+ years watching Burnley there have been only a few goalkeepers who have not got a lot of criticism, Heaton, Pope, Walker were popular. Can’t think of many others apart from Marlon’s first spell. Nowadays we have message boards with a lot of goalkeeper specialists, same when Hart was here, it gets so fkn boring with constant threads , start of last season was the same when posters were praying for Muric to mess up, now they want him back in.

Instead of replicating the Heaton replaces Hart moment, I'd have been looking to bring Heaton back from Man U to replace both Trafford and Muric, even if only a loan. He'd still be better keeper now than either Trafford or Muric, but our current management doesn't know what a good keeper is.

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:54 pm

But Trafford has never been number one in the Championship, you can’t expect anybody to make that step up and preform at a high level.

It’s like asking the 17yr old pot washer at a Michelin star restaurant to be the head chef

Peter Mellor went from playing for Witton Albion to playing in the top division.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:35 pm

Is he?

How many points did the misses by Fofana and Odobert cost us today?

Goalkeeper costs us a goal - we lose - no points.
Striker misses easy chance - we draw - 1 point.

Peter Mellor

Well are we offering Peter Mellor as an exemplar of quick progression through the ranks?

I dont think he makes the top ten of goalkeepers in my lifetime who played for Burnley.

Absolute parallels with the Hart/Heaton decision to me.

All the same arguments about ‘he’s not been that bad’, ‘he hasn’t been directly to blame for many goals’ were made about Hart, and they were potentially true. But it was blatantly obvious to see that the defence just didn’t trust Hart behind them, they looked nervy, he never dominated his area or clearly organised his defence (a la Trafford) and as soon as Heaton came back in the defence immediately looked and felt more comfortable.

Trafford is a young lad and will get better (although I have seen zero evidence he’s going to be a top class goalkeeper) but Muric needs to come back in (should have been back in November at the latest really).

We’ve changed everything else and it hasn’t worked, may as well give it a go.

Oh, I thought Celtic were signing our Tom

Trafford’s **** because he has an unsettled defence in front of him ,or
The defence is **** because they’res a dodgy keeper behind them.
Answer on a postcard to ,Where the Buck stops ,Turf Moor ,Brunshaw rd ,Burnley AKA V Kompany .

I can't believe that our defence left Jota unmarked from the corner because they felt that Trafford was coming. Past evidence would have suggested that Trafford wasn't likely to come, and the defence between them ought to have stopped Jota from having a free header.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:09 pm

I can't believe that our defence left Jota unmarked from the corner because they felt that Trafford was coming. Past evidence would have suggested that Trafford wasn't likely to come, and the defence between them ought to have stopped Jota from having a free header.

Wasn’t Trafford heard shouting for the ball?

Murger wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:11 pm

Wasn’t Trafford heard shouting for the ball?

No idea, but even if he was, that is a signal for the players to get out of the way of Trafford, not a signal to stop marking the forwards. Not that anyone was marking Jota.

Obviously Trafford made the wrong choice, and his better choice would have been to stay on his line and hope to save the free header. But it's still not a great option.

Compared to todays West Ham goalie Trafford is no worse than him!!