DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:44 am

No pressure on VK
JJ watt is super super rich - like loose change to the rest of us being here for weeks.
Wish he would buy the club from AP who has no money and spending the clubs money to keep going .
JJW isn’t going to put millions in and never get it back and have no say in running club
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DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:44 am

No pressure on VK
JJ watt is super super rich - like loose change to the rest of us being here for weeks.
Wish he would buy the club from AP who has no money and spending the clubs money to keep going .
JJW isn’t going to put millions in and never get it back and have no say in running club
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CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:47 am

Hmm I think there is pressure - especially if he doesn't hit what the owners deem an acceptable points tally.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:37 am

... on CBS Sport Golazo mentioning that he's over for the entirety of March and will be taking in five games or so live.

Pressure on VK? Or just discussing next seasons plans.

Wonder if there's something in the works.

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:08 pm

Maybe he’s just coming to Burnley because the American football season finishes tonight.
He clearly enjoys it here.
He enjoys watching the games and meeting the fans.

That would seem a lot more of a logical explanation than he is coming to discuss his investment in the club or some kind of made up points target for this season.

But hey ho it’s fun to assume that everyone involved in the club is as downbeat as some of our fans

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:12 pm

I can feel you praying for there to be pressure on VK through your post

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:13 pm

Shouldn't there be?

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:13 pm

It's likely a drastic misunderstanding of JJ Watt's investment to think he has any say whatsoever in Kompany's future.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:14 pm

No

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:15 pm

Coming to Burnley for a month to apply pressure I’ve read it all on here now.

On another note - well done JJ. So good to have him on board and hopefully a new face and his positive attitude around the place will help.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:12 pm

I mean wouldn't you expect a part owner to discuss / evaluate the season and performances and if any KPIs etc have been met?

That's all I was getting at, pretty routine stuff across any business, no?

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:21 pm

The fact that you use terms like “KPIs” just shows how far you are away from reality.

But you crack on with your view as to why you believe he’s coming.
Maybe they are going to have a brainstorm or a thought shower with Vincent as to why have been a bit sh-it this season

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:16 pm

So finishing with our worst ever PL points tally wouldn't warrant any pressure? Interesting.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:30 pm

Maybe he’s furious about all the cards Kompany is getting and feels he needs to come over and put a stop to it?

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:31 pm

So, we get relegated which is what will probably happen if your scenario plays out, who would you prefer as manager, someone who cruised to the title a season ago in that league... Or someone who didn't?
I cannot think of anybody better to manage us in the championship.

Carlos the Great wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:36 pm

The way VK is blowing up on the touch line tells me he might be feeling the heat … everyone is dispensable and football is a results business with a lot at stake . hope VK can work it out what needs doing to save his job and continue with his plan … he can see what everyone else is seeing

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:43 pm

JJ Watt is a part owner and heavily involved in choosing who the manager is? Where have you dreamt up that?

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:17 pm

You love to deliberately misappropriate points don't you?

Did I say 'JJ is coming over to put pressure on VK'?

No

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:39 pm

Blowing up? He got carded yesterday for saying “it’s a foul”.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:15 pm

I'm not so sure there tbh. I think he'll be involved in important discussions - what makes you think that he won't be?

His role is different than Dude Perfects isn't it?

Carlos the Great wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:53 pm

Yes your right there .. but he is nowhere near as calm as he has been on the touch line

Carlos the Great wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:53 pm

Yes your right there .. but he is nowhere near as calm as he has been on the touch line

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:51 pm

You’re right, you asked if his coming over was a sign of pressure on VK.

So were you think thinking he’s decided to come over because there is a an existing pressure on VK?

That he could be he coming over to add to it? Or maybe help relieve it?

Or is he coming over to create pressure?

I’m trying to work out how you linked the news of an extended visit from a heavily invested part-owner to the possibility of pressure in VK?

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:21 pm

The fact that you use terms like “KPIs” just shows how far you are away from reality.

But you crack on with your view as to why you believe he’s coming.
Maybe they are going to have a brainstorm or a thought shower with Vincent as to why have been a bit sh-it this season

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:03 pm

Unfortunately KPIs is a term that is regularly used in reality, usually by tossers in the workplace who are seeking to elevate their profile by spouting a load of corporate management speak.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:03 pm

Unfortunately KPIs is a term that is regularly used in reality, usually by tossers in the workplace who are seeking to elevate their profile by spouting a load of corporate management speak.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:58 pm

That's not quite what I was alluding to, no.

JJ's over for an extended period, not just a one off game - it's the business end of the season and come the end of March we will probably know where we're more than likely to be playing football next season and it's likely a time where plans for the summer/following season are discussed. I'm simply suggesting that JJ may be involved here.

Then I suggested if there may be some pressure on VK and posed the question to the forum.

DingleDangle wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:38 pm

The problem is that people know that your narrative is wanting VK sacked. It's a constant with you. So, whilst you do pose the 'pressure' question to the message board, you were provided with responses that don't agree with your thoughts. This is highlighted after only a few posts down from you're original post, when DaveTheVicar said he didn't think there was pressure on VK, to which you replied that you think there is. So, is there really any need to debate it any further, as you clearly state that you do think VK is under pressure?

No one, only those with any inside knowledge (JJ himself, AP, etc), knows the full reason as to why JJ Watt is coming over for the month, apart from everyone just speculating.

However, what's more intriguing is at the end of your original post, after you throw the 'pressure' question open to the message board, is this:

"Wonder if there's something in the works."

Hmmm, care to elaborate us with your thoughts on what you're wondering? Hoping they talk about sacking VK perhaps?

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:44 pm

I think you're confusing me with another poster DD (CooClaret)

I've never once called for VK to be sacked, though I think he's massively underperforming and making some baffling decisions.

On the rest of your post - simply opening a question up to The Beehold End for any thoughts on the matter.

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:11 pm

Not entirely sure what’s wrong with the concept of key performance indicators which I would imagine perform a pretty important role in terms of setting targets and assessing under performing areas in business. There’s a specific section dedicated to them in pretty much every major company’s financial statements.

DingleDangle wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:58 pm

I will also add CoolClaret, that you don't exactly help yourself in being highly critical of not only VK, but young players like Trafford and Amdouni. They are not only young men, but are trying to adapt to life at a new club, a new country (in Amdouni's case) and the Premier League. Not easy by a long stretch of the imagination.

FWIW, I'm firmly behind VK and whether you believe in the plan or not, imo it does seem like we peaked at least a season too soon by winning the Championship last season. Maybe the plan was to expect to stay in the Championship and go again this season, buy the players he bought this season and develop them in the Championship. However, it hasn't worked like that, as we find ourselves in the Premier League with those same players, so now we need to play them in the division higher. If we survive, bonus. If not, we go again in the Championship next season with these same new players, but with added experience and another chance to get promoted with a view of staying in the Premier League and adapting from there.