UK....down 1%

EU....up 2.7%.



Strange that. Wonder what could have caused it.

But you have to understand that we've taken back control.
The fall in living standards, year on year, is OUR fall in living standards and for that we should be truly grateful.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:47 pm

But you have to understand that we've taken back control.
The fall in living standards, year on year, is OUR fall in living standards and for that we should be truly grateful.

Kinda makes it all so worthwhile.

Blue passports though.

Pickles wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:00 pm

Blue passports though.

Yup.....and borders all sorted now.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:40 pm

UK....down 1%

EU....up 2.7%.



Strange that. Wonder what could have caused it.

Now do individual countries inside the EU.....

burnleymik wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:19 pm

Now do individual countries inside the EU.....

Why??

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:47 pm

But you have to understand that we've taken back control.
The fall in living standards, year on year, is OUR fall in living standards and for that we should be truly grateful.

Yes, truly grateful, since according to Bloomberg data, it's only costing us £2 billion - per week. [£100 billion / year].
For comparison we spend about £180 billion / year on the NHS.

burnleymik wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:19 pm

Now do individual countries inside the EU.....

We're comparing countries in the EU with one that used to be in the EU.

How many other countries does this apply to?

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:40 pm

UK....down 1%

EU....up 2.7%.

Strange that. Wonder what could have caused it.

Genuine question , is that an “official average “ stat from the last 3 yrs or so ? I know UK took a huge 10% (ish) drop on the Covid /Brexit crossover yr , but 1% down on Net GDP since Covid would be shockingly poor .

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:20 pm

Why??

For context.

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:25 pm

We're comparing countries in the EU with one that used to be in the EU.

How many other countries does this apply to?

It's comparing a whole, at a specific point in time. A few countries doing well, but many of the major players are struggling like we are. Are they struggling because of Brexit too?

I'll leave it there as this doesn't belong on a football board.

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:27 pm

Genuine question , is that an “official average “ stat from the last 3 yrs or so ? I know UK took a huge 10% (ish) drop on the Covid /Brexit crossover yr , but 1% down on Net GDP since Covid would be shockingly poor .

ITV national news at 6pm.

Since onset of covid in feb 2020.


Strangely the bbc omitted any comparison.

burnleymik wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:27 pm

For context.

Context already there.

We're being left behind by the EU.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:32 pm

ITV national news at 6pm.

Since onset of covid in feb 2020.


Strangely the bbc omitted any comparison.

Strange they even mentioned Covid. The real root cause is what happened the month before. We left the EU in January 2020.

I guess the national omerta is still strong on that.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:40 pm

UK....down 1%

EU....up 2.7%.



Strange that. Wonder what could have caused it.

How have the EU grown through Covid?

Did their countries not come to a standstill?

Not interested in the Brexit debate, more interested in a success story.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:34 pm

Context already there.

We're being left behind by the EU.

Were you worried when we were ahead of the EU a few months ago?

There are so many variables involved in GDP that it's constantly subject to change. Choosing this point in time is just silly opportunism.

It's because we have idiots running the country, no understanding of industry etc and what is required. I voted leave for the simple reason as Tony Benn once said if you don't like me fine vote me out after 5 years, nigh on impossibility in the EU, I don't want foreign politicians and beurocrats dictating to me especially now the far right is gaining power across Europe, the EU will go that way.
Why the hell we didn't stay in the customs union and single market is beyond belief...that said look at the buffoon in charge at the time.

burnleymik wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:46 pm

Were you worried when we were ahead of the EU a few months ago?

There are so many variables involved in GDP that it's constantly subject to change. Choosing this point in time is just silly opportunism.

Indeed, it's facile to compare a few months figures in isolation...hence the comparison over 4 years...

...and no..not worried...I weighted my own portfolio well away from the UK at the onset of the whole sh1tshow.

May have been different had it been managed and handled by people who wanted it…. Trouble is, the mard arses were given the responsibility of getting it right. Then it became their chance to screw it up just so they could play a game of “see, told you” and WOW didn’t they take it? It was far more important to them to be able to say “we were right” than actually making a good show of it.

Democracy is ace when you get your way…. But when you don’t, best to just complain about it being unfair as much as you can.

And as for the borders not getting sorted, we all know whose fault that is don’t we? Everytime something is suggested, the “let everyone in” brigade shout the loudest as usual….

bobinho wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:04 pm

May have been different had it been managed and handled by people who wanted it…. Trouble is, the mard arses were given the responsibility of getting it right. Then it became their chance to screw it up just so they could play a game of “see, told you” and WOW didn’t they take it? It was far more important to them to be able to say “we were right” than actually making a good show of it.

Democracy is ace when you get your way…. But when you don’t, best to just complain about it being unfair as much as you can.

And as for the borders not getting sorted, we all know whose fault that is don’t we? Everytime something is suggested, the “let everyone in” brigade shout the loudest as usual….

Worth remembering that Boris "Get Brexit Done" ran a mile when the PM job was up for grabs after Cameron resigned.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:04 pm

May have been different had it been managed and handled by people who wanted it…. Trouble is, the mard arses were given the responsibility of getting it right. Then it became their chance to screw it up just so they could play a game of “see, told you” and WOW didn’t they take it? It was far more important to them to be able to say “we were right” than actually making a good show of it.

Democracy is ace when you get your way…. But when you don’t, best to just complain about it being unfair as much as you can.

And as for the borders not getting sorted, we all know whose fault that is don’t we? Everytime something is suggested, the “let everyone in” brigade shout the loudest as usual….

Oh dear.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:04 pm

May have been different had it been managed and handled by people who wanted it…. Trouble is, the mard arses were given the responsibility of getting it right. Then it became their chance to screw it up just so they could play a game of “see, told you” and WOW didn’t they take it? It was far more important to them to be able to say “we were right” than actually making a good show of it.

Democracy is ace when you get your way…. But when you don’t, best to just complain about it being unfair as much as you can.

And as for the borders not getting sorted, we all know whose fault that is don’t we? Everytime something is suggested, the “let everyone in” brigade shout the loudest as usual….

Yep. Definitely the remainers’ fault that a government purged of any non-Brexit fanatic with an 80-seat majority has failed to make Brexit work

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:47 pm

But you have to understand that we've taken back control.
The fall in living standards, year on year, is OUR fall in living standards and for that we should be truly grateful.

My living standard hasn't fallen, so I'm confident millions of other people's living standards also won't have fallen.

There are bound to be many people who have also seen a drop in their living standards, but that has been the same since the year dot.

To suggest it is solely the cost of Brexit is just a cheap, unresearched jibe designed to promote a pov, rather than facts.

I could claim that if Europe is doing so well, and UK so badly, why do thousands of people risk their lives everyday in order to come here. Only it would be just as vacuous as your statement.

We live in a democracy, you lost, get over it. So many of the problems with today's society, stem from peoples unwillingness to accept the view of the majority. Whether that is Brexit, people wanting to identify as cats, men wanting to compete as females.
Individually we are entitled to do what we like, identify as we like, but when you try and force your own opinion on others, then spit your dummy when you can't have your own way, everyone suffers.

I thought he’d played a blinder tbh not rushing in. That first ‘post DC’ appointment was always gonna be doomed. Then he got himself in the door and it was all laid on a plate for him to make it…

Turns out he really WAS a buffoon….

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:43 pm

How have the EU grown through Covid?

Did their countries not come to a standstill?

Not interested in the Brexit debate, more interested in a success story.

???

bobinho wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:04 pm

Democracy is ace when you get your way….

Darn right....when this whole shambolic opportunistic crapfest is flushed down into the sewers later this year ,you won't find me complaining

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:28 pm

???

Ask 10 different people you'd probably get 10 different opinions qtt.

We are going to have to put up with threads like this every few years when there is a down turn in the economy unfortunately

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:31 pm

Darn right....when this whole shambolic opportunistic crapfest is flushed down into the sewers later this year ,you won't find me complaining

To be replaced by? That’s right, a different shambolic opportunistic crapfest.

Sadly though, I don’t actually think it’s a done deal…. Should be, but it isn’t - not yet anyway. The £28Bn green pledge u turn (greenmile and evensteadiereddie will call it something else of course) and the ugliness that is anti-semetism that just won’t go away, all wrapped up in a Diane Abbott (who they have done well to keep away from radio and tv - but that won’t last ) style cardigan, hasn’t helped.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:43 pm

How have the EU grown through Covid?

Did their countries not come to a standstill?

Not interested in the Brexit debate, more interested in a success story.

I stand to be corrected by the more economically literate, but I think you’ve misunderstood.

The EU(‘s) GDP didn’t grow “through” covid; they’ve just recovered better than we have since.

Modern capitalist economies essentially rely on constant growth (part of the reason we are economically reliant on immigration). Obviously during covid (ie when lockdowns and similar measures were necessary to save lives) that growth was reversed and GDP shrunk but, since then, the EU has recovered that “lost” GDP in a way the UK hasn’t.

As a simplified illustration, here’s a list of GDP growth by country for each year from 2018 to 2022. “Covid” was basically the 2020 column.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/r ... rowth-rate

bobinho wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:41 pm

To be replaced by? That’s right, a different shambolic opportunistic crapfest.

Sadly though, I don’t actually think it’s a done deal…. Should be, but it isn’t - not yet anyway. The £28Bn green pledge u turn (greenmile and evensteadiereddie will call it something else of course) and the ugliness that is anti-semetism that just won’t go away, all wrapped up in a Diane Abbott (who they have done well to keep away from radio and tv - but that won’t last ) style cardigan, hasn’t helped.

I’m happy to call it a u-turn and a great disappointment.

At least they’ve been honest about it before the election, though, rather than making promises and then u-turning after they’ve been voted in.

Thought this was called Up The Clarets ,there’s enough falling out about Trafford and Kompany without starting a political debate,can we not just save it until they’res an election then have a specific post?

I'd be happy to bet a day's income that bobinho and the other tory fan boys wouldn't have given a flying one about alleged anti-semitism until it was grasped by a desperate press as a potential stick to beat the Labour Party with. ...

Westleigh wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:54 pm

Thought this was called Up The Clarets ,there’s enough falling out about Trafford and Kompany without starting a political debate,can we not just save it until they’res an election then have a specific post?

You’re just upset you can’t find an angle to have a dig at Trafford on this thread

Greenmile wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:57 pm

You’re just upset you can’t find an angle to have a dig at Trafford on this thread

Wasn’t a dig at anyone ,can’t see anything in my post to start an argument,if you read it properly you see I said there was enough arguing over Trafford and Kompany ,I could have said Muric ,and Kompany ,my post still stays the same ,your looking for stuff that isn’t there.

https://x.com/julianhjessop/status/1757 ... 35331?s=46


Japan has also entered technical recession

Westleigh wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:01 pm

Wasn’t a dig at anyone ,can’t see anything in my post to start an argument,if you read it properly you see I said there was enough arguing over Trafford and Kompany ,I could have said Muric ,and Kompany ,my post still stays the same ,your looking for stuff that isn’t there.

It was a joke.

Westleigh wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:54 pm

Thought this was called Up The Clarets ,there’s enough falling out about Trafford and Kompany without starting a political debate,can we not just save it until they’res an election then have a specific post?

I don't think you'll have a long wait before it's locked or deleted.

All depends when you set the start button

EU and UK have performed near identical since 2008. Our economies have NOT diverged since Brexit. We're performing better than the large economies of France and Germany, which is like saying Luton are playing slightly better than Burnley this season.

The USA has grown multiple time what we've managed since 2008.

The UK and EU economies will remain sluggish at best if we insist of maintaing these high tax, high public spending economies.

Greenmile wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:04 pm

It was a joke.

Jokes about JT aren’t allowed.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:08 pm

All depends when you set the start button



The UK and EU economies will remain sluggish at best if we insist of maintaing these high tax, high public spending economies.

Looks like Rowls has taken his Maggie poster down and replaced it with a bigger one of Liz Truss.

I prefer to view things with my own eyes and ears and in my experience - Europe does appear to be leaving us behind. I don't know where some of them get their money from.

Greenmile wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:43 pm

I stand to be corrected by the more economically literate, but I think you’ve misunderstood.

The EU(‘s) GDP didn’t grow “through” covid; they’ve just recovered better than we have since.

Modern capitalist economies essentially rely on constant growth (part of the reason we are economically reliant on immigration). Obviously during covid (ie when lockdowns and similar measures were necessary to save lives) that growth was reversed and GDP shrunk but, since then, the EU has recovered that “lost” GDP in a way the UK hasn’t.

As a simplified illustration, here’s a list of GDP growth by country for each year from 2018 to 2022. “Covid” was basically the 2020 column.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/r ... rowth-rate

Probably should have said from 2021 or 22 for us mere mortals to understand.

The UK has a low productivity problem which it had before Brexit so it's not just about Brexit.

Taken back control? Now controlled by the rich elite who have ransacked the UK, are people so blind & controlled by so few. Try getting your information from from a wider perspective. I live in Spain for over 5 years now & could not be happier, immigration is not an issue around here as over 101 countries have nationals here but the Spanish in general are more tolerant & open minded than the UK but there are issues which are driven by proportional representation. Growth is on target for around 5% for this year & next, the roads here are fantastic with continued internal investment. The healthcare system is pretty good which includes using the private sector to alleviate issues in the public health care system. During Covid the private sector was taken over at no cost by the Spanish authorities to help in the emergency at no cost, they also supported all workers wages in two bands of 88% & 92% with the higher for the lowest paid. Just around services, I’m using the train next Thursday to have a long weekend in Madrid, I’m using the bullet train from Malaga, going first class at 10.30 am & its €70 return. We see some of the reporting on the UK tv news channels & laugh at much of the incorrect reporting & wonder where & why such false info comes from, most are blatantly false. Just to sum up if a politician lies in Spain & can’t prove its correct it’s classed as corruption & carries a mandatory prison sentence.

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:13 pm

My living standard hasn't fallen, so I'm confident millions of other people's living standards also won't have fallen.

There are bound to be many people who have also seen a drop in their living standards, but that has been the same since the year dot.

To suggest it is solely the cost of Brexit is just a cheap, unresearched jibe designed to promote a pov, rather than facts.

I could claim that if Europe is doing so well, and UK so badly, why do thousands of people risk their lives everyday in order to come here. Only it would be just as vacuous as your statement.

We live in a democracy, you lost, get over it. So many of the problems with today's society, stem from peoples unwillingness to accept the view of the majority. Whether that is Brexit, people wanting to identify as cats, men wanting to compete as females.
Individually we are entitled to do what we like, identify as we like, but when you try and force your own opinion on others, then spit your dummy when you can't have your own way, everyone suffers.

Just to clarify, I didn't lose, I'm better off now than when I retired six years ago.
I've no problem accepting the view of the majority then even though it is clear the majority were wrong.
In fact, I'd be delighted if those that voted to leave are the ones to suffer most but I guess there's no way of knowing that. Courage of their convictions and all that.
Nobody, as far as I can see, has forced any body's opinion on anyone else, its a forum for discussion, and there's certainly no dummy spitting. Well, not by me any way .
As I said, I'm doing fine, thanks very much, but for you to pretend that anybody who points out what an economic disaster Brexit has turned out be is being petulant, you need your head looking at.
Nobody's suffering, or shouldn't be, by simply having reality pointed out to them.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:56 pm

I'd be happy to bet a day's income that bobinho and the other tory fan boys wouldn't have given a flying one about alleged anti-semitism until it was grasped by a desperate press as a potential stick to beat the Labour Party with. ...

If the Labour Party wasn't riddled with anti-semites waiting to leap out like a flasher from a bush there wouldn't be an issue.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:56 pm

I'd be happy to bet a day's income that bobinho and the other tory fan boys wouldn't have given a flying one about alleged anti-semitism until it was grasped by a desperate press as a potential stick to beat the Labour Party with. ...

So I state that sadly the result of the next election (labour win) isn’t yet a done deal, and that makes me a Tory fan boy?

Here’s my take on it. The tories are gone, and they only have their own arrogance and incompetence to blame. I think Rishi could do a job, but the damage has already been done and they will get what they deserve.

Only the Labour Party can keep themselves out of government now. Now they’ve ousted Corbyn and his cronies they stand a chance of making a fist of it, but they need to read the room…

A Labour Party under the leadership of David Miliband could have been a good option, but Ed the usurper put paid to any chance of us seeing that, and of course it lead us down the Corbyn path, as damaging for them as DC’s referendum and subsequent resignation led us all down the Johnson path.

See what I mean when I say it doesn’t matter what colour the rosette, we’re just gonna get a load of shite?




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