But not Premier League.

I've backed VK every week regardless, however, it's becoming more and more obvious that his lack of experience or (and) knowledge of this league is exposing his inability to coach a team at this level.

I dont know whether its the brief he was given In terms of youth or his total incompetence in buying the quality we needed for this league.

I have no doubt he'll do well next season but if we come back up, would he learn.....I'm not sure.

Did his last employer see what we're seeing in his 2nd season!

I'm not a VK out but I'm certainly going towards sitting on the fence.

It's the man management aspect that I have serious concerns about.

Tactics are one thing but keeping a unit together and believing is the main thing - I haven't seen any evidence of that.

To have just one player that played in a 101 point Champ winning team today is just insane. How can you expect to have a cohesive unit with that much turnover?

Just p1ssed away a season and for what?

he gets the first dozen games next season but we can't be having the lack of fight from the players. That's on VK AND the players, yes there are young lads in there but come on, at least try and close down and kick a few to let them know they are in a game. I'm not seeing any heart and that's the most disappointing thing about this team.

Agree with Vegas. He needs to start next season. Daniel Farke was the same at Norwich and their fans wanted him out. They’d all have him back in a heartbeat now.

Pearcey wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:23 pm

Agree with Vegas. He needs to start next season. Daniel Farke was the same at Norwich and their fans wanted him out. They’d all have him back in a heartbeat now.

I don't think Farke was ever backed quite like this, was he?

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:24 pm

I don't think Farke was ever backed quite like this, was he?

He signed loads of players from abroad. Buendia, Pukki etc etc.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:21 pm

he gets the first dozen games next season but we can't be having the lack of fight from the players. That's on VK AND the players, yes there are young lads in there but come on, at least try and close down and kick a few to let them know they are in a game. I'm not seeing any heart and that's the most disappointing thing about this team.

Our heads dropped after the first goal.

Pearcey wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:26 pm

He signed loads of players from abroad. Buendia, Pukki etc etc.

He signed a few yeah - not all in one window replacing the team he had that romped the Champ though did he?

Pukki and Buendia were good as well!!

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:26 pm

Our heads dropped after the first goal.

Not sure about that to be fair, I think it was more of a gradual thing as they were chasing shadows. The 5th goal though was horrific

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:27 pm

He signed a few yeah - not all in one window replacing the team he had that romped the Champ though did he?

Pukki and Buendia were good as well!!

My point was his style of football but didn't make that clear. They battered everyone in the championship but lost their identity in the prem. Very similar to us in that sense.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:24 pm

I don't think Farke was ever backed quite like this, was he?

Find a Norwich fan, just one, that still thinks potting Farke was the right move.

12 games is to long , 6 at the most .

LowtonClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:16 pm

But not Premier League.

I've backed VK every week regardless, however, it's becoming more and more obvious that his lack of experience or (and) knowledge of this league is exposing his inability to coach a team at this level.

I dont know whether its the brief he was given In terms of youth or his total incompetence in buying the quality we needed for this league.

I have no doubt he'll do well next season but if we come back up, would he learn.....I'm not sure.

Did his last employer see what we're seeing in his 2nd season!

I'm not a VK out but I'm certainly going towards sitting on the fence.

So the title of your thread suggests he'll be ok next season?

Been thinking about this. He may get us up next season but it’s a big ‘may’. He won’t be any better at managing at this level next time around imo. He’s not learning basic things from week to week now. Completely naive and out of his depth at this level

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:51 pm

Been thinking about this. He may get us up next season but it’s a big ‘may’. He won’t be any better at managing at this level next time around imo. He’s not learning basic things from week to week now. Completely naive and out of his depth at this level

Exactly the same thoughts.

He smashed the championship again then we have a repeat of this season. What do you do? Sack him next time after a bad run? It would be a bit of a gamble to back him heavily in the transfer market again.

He's had all season, still hasn't got to grips with the job, pot him now, or at least look around for a replacement to take over at the end of the season, yes we won the league at a canter last year, but was that in spite of him? he made some strange decisions last season at times, and some even stranger ones recruitment wise.

You title says it all a fantastic championship manager, which is where we will be next season. So why get rid

Nope, just extremely lucky!

He smashed the championship with a much better team than we have now ….this is his team and he won’t win the championship with this team .. he can’t be thinking he gonna spend big next season after the disaster of signings he made

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:51 pm

Been thinking about this. He may get us up next season but it’s a big ‘may’. He won’t be any better at managing at this level next time around imo. He’s not learning basic things from week to week now. Completely naive and out of his depth at this level

Dyche was a fantastic championship manager, failed in his first attempt at the epl (out of his depth because he hadn’t managed there before) and came back stronger and better prepared for his 2nd attempt.

There’s a high chance we’re watching history repeating.

Carlos the Great wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:13 pm

He smashed the championship with a much better team than we have now ….this is his team and he won’t win the championship with this team .. he can’t be thinking he gonna spend big next season after the disaster of signings he made

Not sure we were a better team last year
Remember the standard is far less lower than the premier

Carlos the Great wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:13 pm

He smashed the championship with a much better team than we have now ….this is his team and he won’t win the championship with this team .. he can’t be thinking he gonna spend big next season after the disaster of signings he made

If this squad was in the Championship last season they would have absolutely smashed it as well. The gap between playing Reading at home and Arsenal at home is unbelievable. It’s a different sport.

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:07 pm

Nope, just extremely lucky!

I think you need a lot more than luck to get 100 points in the championship

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:24 pm

If this squad was in the Championship last season they would have absolutely smashed it as well. The gap between playing Reading at home and Arsenal at home is unbelievable. It’s a different sport.

They'll be technically far better players than most in the championship but will they be putting enough effort in alongside it? That's been my biggest concern this season. Something seems badly wrong on that front

TPClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:27 pm

I think you need a lot more than luck to get 100 points in the championship

Tbh, I do agree, but he's recruited really poorly since we walked the championship and it's not surprising people are saying he's out of his depth tbf.

Holtyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:18 pm

Dyche was a fantastic championship manager, failed in his first attempt at the epl (out of his depth because he hadn’t managed there before) and came back stronger and better prepared for his 2nd attempt.

There’s a high chance we’re watching history repeating.

That Dyche team fought hard and showed spirit , even though it was a tough gig . This team have showed nothing and fold almost weakly and the squad is almost entirely assembled VK project . Half this board could have probably got that squad up last season , bursting with talent , speed and confidence.

JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:29 pm

They'll be technically far better players than most in the championship but will they be putting enough effort in alongside it? That's been my biggest concern this season. Something seems badly wrong on that front

The effort has been there in general. I’d go with more an inexperienced team lacking confidence. Winning breeds confidence / builds a mentality, like we saw last season. I think we showed against Sheffield United what we could be like against Champ competition.

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:33 pm

Tbh, I do agree, but he's recruited really poorly since we walked the championship and it's not surprising people are saying he's out of his depth tbf.

I agree he’s out of his depth this season. He’ll have learnt a hell of a lot. He’s only managed one season in English football in the championship prior to this. Why did people think he’d just walk the premier league.

Dyche failed in his first PL season and he clearly learned an awful lot and used it to good effect. The thing is, we were never this bad or this far off the standard. That's the worry.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:45 pm

The effort has been there in general. I’d go with more an inexperienced team lacking confidence. Winning breeds confidence / builds a mentality, like we saw last season. I think we showed against Sheffield United what we could be like against Champ competition.

Agree with your point about winning breeding confidence but i have to disagree with you regarding the levels of effort this season. I just don't think there has been anywhere near enough of it sadly. Whether that's down to a lack of leaders on the pitch and/or players with more experience i don't know

TPClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:01 pm

You title says it all a fantastic championship manager, which is where we will be next season. So why get rid

I said I'm in the fence. We may possibly bounce back but then what? Rinse and repeat!

Getting very bored with the false equivalence to Sean's first PL season.

I don't think Dyche failed in his first PL season at all. If anything he over achieved being a Matty Taylor penalty away from staying up.

He went up first time with a team with little budget and spent hardly anything and came very close to staying up - giving us a real platform and belief that next time we could do it and we did.

This is very different, not comparable at all for me.

His refusal to use or buy experience of the PL is what has sunk us. The kids need help but there’s not so much profit in selling on experienced pro’s so we don’t buy them.
VK can blame small margins but it’s about profit margins

His refusal to use or buy experience of the PL is what has sunk us. The kids need help but there’s not so much profit in selling on experienced pro’s so we don’t buy them.
VK can blame small margins but it’s about profit margins

He is very much a victim of his own success here. I venture to suggest not one fan thought when Dyche left we'd be promoted as champions the next season. The model was clear, buy young potential. Although he certainly took that to the extreme, we are very early in a cycle. To get rid of him now would make zero sense, financially or from a football perspective. Things are never as bad or as good as they seem, and despite what you think of Kompanys current ability at this level, it's impossible to judge the limits of his career at 37 years of age.

We've begun a project, it started great and it has stalled. But chucking it in the bin now would be suicide.

LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:38 pm

His refusal to use or buy experience of the PL is what has sunk us. The kids need help but there’s not so much profit in selling on experienced pro’s so we don’t buy them.
VK can blame small margins but it’s about profit margins

Redmond?
Berge?
To add to those already in the squad is more than enough experience.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:09 pm

Redmond?
Berge?
To add to those already in the squad is more than enough experience.

Well one of them has been our best player this season - but if you don’t think the kids need guidance then fair enough

LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:17 pm

Well one of them has been our best player this season - but if you don’t think the kids need guidance then fair enough

They do I agree, and there should be enough with what we have

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:28 pm

They do I agree, and there should be enough with what we have

But what experience we have isn’t on the pitch where we need it the most.

willsclarets wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:02 pm

He is very much a victim of his own success here. I venture to suggest not one fan thought when Dyche left we'd be promoted as champions the next season. The model was clear, buy young potential. Although he certainly took that to the extreme, we are very early in a cycle. To get rid of him now would make zero sense, financially or from a football perspective. Things are never as bad or as good as they seem, and despite what you think of Kompanys current ability at this level, it's impossible to judge the limits of his career at 37 years of age.

We've begun a project, it started great and it has stalled. But chucking it in the bin now would be suicide.

Well said.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:31 pm

Find a Norwich fan, just one, that still thinks potting Farke was the right move.

There’s loads on Twitter

willsclarets wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:02 pm

He is very much a victim of his own success here. I venture to suggest not one fan thought when Dyche left we'd be promoted as champions the next season. The model was clear, buy young potential. Although he certainly took that to the extreme, we are very early in a cycle. To get rid of him now would make zero sense, financially or from a football perspective. Things are never as bad or as good as they seem, and despite what you think of Kompanys current ability at this level, it's impossible to judge the limits of his career at 37 years of age.

We've begun a project, it started great and it has stalled. But chucking it in the bin now would be suicide.

What project?

We are back where we were two years ago. Relegation with a squad that needs completely re assembling in the summer.

Surely the project relies heavily on staying in the Premier League for more than one limp, lacklustre season? Sure, yo-yo, bounce back etc etc. Fair enough. But the whole model underpinning whatever specifically the project is depends hugely on the finances and exposure the Premier League provides.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:52 pm

What project?

We are back where we were two years ago. Relegation with a squad that needs completely re assembling in the summer.

It certainly wouldn't need completely reassembling. At least I hope not.

The catylists in the team who made it the success it was, are either not with us, or out of favour, or injured. In order of importance (my opinion)- Tella, Benson, Beyer, Zarourry, Cullen,Maatsen,Roberts. Some of these were sensational. So what makes people think its a given to go straight back up in the same manner. We are not going to do it with the likes of Tresor, JBG, Brownhill. The latter two will be two years older. Yes we have Berge and the improved Foster, and hopefully the potential of Ramsey (fitness permitting), but we dont know what the relationship and belief between VK and the players is. I suspect no where near the level of 2022/23

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:52 pm

What project?

We are back where we were two years ago. Relegation with a squad that needs completely re assembling in the summer.

We are much worse off than two years ago

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:36 pm

The catylists in the team who made it the success it was, are either not with us, or out of favour, or injured. In order of importance (my opinion)- Tella, Benson, Beyer, Zarourry, Cullen,Maatsen,Roberts. Some of these were sensational. So what makes people think its a given to go straight back up in the same manner. We are not going to do it with the likes of Tresor, JBG, Brownhill. The latter two will be two years older. Yes we have Berge and the improved Foster, and hopefully the potential of Ramsey (fitness permitting), but we dont know what the relationship and belief between VK and the players is. I suspect no where near the level of 2022/23

It was an all new world when VK arrived with the media hanging on his every word as the future Pep ,Burnley’s media team was bringing out new videos every other week with the new guys being charmed with the thought of playing for Vinnie ,and the bandwagon started rolling and couldn’t be stopped ,when we go down the hype will have gone ,we won’t be the great unknown,and teams will outmuscle us on a regular basis ,if we get off to a good start we may steamroller the Championship again but if we don’t we could drop like a stone.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:50 pm

There’s loads on Twitter

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:52 pm

What project?

We are back where we were two years ago. Relegation with a squad that needs completely re assembling in the summer.

Of course we're not back where we were. The project was to buy talented young assets that will mature in value, sell some on and turnover bits of the squad. The aim was to get promoted alongside that, which he did off the bat with the help of some excellent loan signings.

In no way does our squad need reassembling, at all. There's an abundance of talent in that squad 18-24 years of age. 18-24! If anything it needs trimming and tweaking. The squad we had two years ago was more or less non existent, and what was left after inevitable sales was old. Imo he tried to do a little much too soon in terms of youth over nous and experience, but I still firmly believe in the approach and the players he has bought.

TPClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:01 pm

You title says it all a fantastic championship manager, which is where we will be next season. So why get rid

By this logic though if he got us back up you'd have to give him his P45 the next day.