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Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:33 pm
by Goliath
I've been saying it all season but today it was absolutely evident, if we play 2 up front he should be playing every week.
His direct competition is Amdouni for the number 10 role and Jay offers so much more. I didnt see him lose a header from a long ball today, his link play is a step above Amdouni, especially from long balls, hes constantly talking and leading and he is a goal threat, whilst also offering us an extra defensive presence from set pieces.
Im sick of the ageism from both the manager and the fans on here that weve seen this season. Our best technical players that have proved it at the highest level are Jack Cork and Jay Rodriguez, the rest is just potential who so far have proven themself as not good enough.
Both should be starting every week, and if they cant last the full 90 the young 'talent' could then be utilised as impact subs.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:41 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
In hindsight we should have kept Barnes.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:50 pm
by Goliath
Rodriguez is better by a country mile.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:52 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Goliath wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:50 pm
Rodriguez is better by a country mile.
No doubt but someone with leadership and fight was Barnes.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:55 pm
by ClaretPete001
I think Jay Rod was a class above last season until he was injured but he's 34 and this is the PL.
For me Cork is the one who should have more minutes under his belt - we sadly miss his leadership and presence.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:58 pm
by Goliath
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:52 pm
No doubt but someone with leadership and fight was Barnes.
Fair, cant argue with that. Barnes was a fighter but lacked real ability, Rodriguez has both, hes technically a tremendous player which people persistently underestimate.
Im not sure Barnes really would have offered us much anymore at this level,
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:59 pm
by BurnleyFC
Rodriguez wasn’t good enough for the Premier League two seasons ago, but is still probably a better option than our Swiss Houdini.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:01 am
by 123EasyasBFC
We are also a much better team when Johan plays to, he doesn’t have that yard of pace on the right anymore but with assignon up and down the right, Johan is vital
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:01 am
by Goliath
ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:55 pm
I think Jay Rod was a class above last season until he was injured but he's 34 and this is the PL.
For me Cork is the one who should have more minutes under his belt - we sadly miss his leadership and presence.
Exactly, he was the top scorer in the championship until he had a spell out. I dont know why but theres a weird consensus that this injury is one that suddenly made him not good enough, its a nonsense. Hes exactly the same player he was when he got injured, he just hasnt had the opportunities since.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:05 am
by Goliath
BurnleyFC wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:59 pm
Rodriguez wasn’t good enough for the Premier League two seasons ago, but is still probably a better option than our Swiss Houdini.
Yes he was. He was a real threat once he got himself in the starting up. Just off the top kf my head, he put one on a plate for Weghost at West ham, scored v unite and scored v Everton all in the last few months of the season.
He isnt a 20 goal a season striker and never has been, hes a technically very good link player who works his ******** off on and off the ball.
I genuinely think he has been completed underestimated by a) the fans, because hes homegrown and b) the manager because of his age.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:12 am
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Goliath wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:58 pm
Fair, cant argue with that. Barnes was a fighter but lacked real ability, Rodriguez has both, hes technically a tremendous player which people persistently underestimate.
Im not sure Barnes really would have offered us much anymore at this level,
Agree Barnes playing wise wouldn’t have offered much but think being around the team would have helped. Can you imagine his reaction to the ‘effort’ of some today!?
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:37 am
by tarkys_ears
absolutely ******* ay!
(and it aint hindsight from me, once Mee left, Barnes was Mr Burnley to me)
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:53 am
by Woodleyclaret
Jay gets what wearing the shirt and playing for his home town team is.Jay always earns his money unlike several today who wearnt fit to wear the shirt Jay JBG and Jack Cork need to be the nucleus of our team going forward.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:27 am
by StayingDown4Ever
People calling for Rodriguez and Cork needing to be in the starting XI shows how pathetic we’ve been this season.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:49 am
by jrgbfc
I'd start him ahead of Amdouni at the moment. Purely for a bit of presence, experience, 100% effort. It's a damning indictment of how bad we've been but that's where we are.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:51 am
by Burnley1989
Love Jay, know him away from football and have massive respect for him.
I don’t however think he’s good enough anymore, even when you leave all sentiment in.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:14 pm
by IanMcL
Good to see him getting m.o.m votes, for his short burst of proper Burnley.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:16 pm
by fidelcastro
When he was starting games, everyone wanted him replaced!
Make your minds up!
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:30 pm
by Goliath
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:16 pm
When he was starting games, everyone wanted him replaced!
Make your minds up!
I didn't, ive been his biggest advocate all season. Also one thing i didnt mention was his awareness of the need to turn Arsenal and try to use the pace of Fofana. It might not have paid off but it made life more uncomfortable for Arsenal, we played exactly into their hands for the rest of the game. Just play in behimd them and get up the pitch sometimes, it's not rocket science.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:32 pm
by Burnley Ace
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:34 pm
by boatshed bill
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:16 pm
When he was starting games, everyone wanted him replaced!
Make your minds up!
I didn't. He's a clever footballer.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:38 pm
by Belgianclaret
Always liked Jay, good lad and always gives his best
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:41 pm
by alwaysaclaret
Goliath wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:33 pm
I've been saying it all season but today it was absolutely evident, if we play 2 up front he should be playing every week.
His direct competition is Amdouni for the number 10 role and Jay offers so much more. I didnt see him lose a header from a long ball today, his link play is a step above Amdouni, especially from long balls, hes constantly talking and leading and he is a goal threat, whilst also offering us an extra defensive presence from set pieces.
Im sick of the ageism from both the manager and the fans on here that weve seen this season. Our best technical players that have proved it at the highest level are Jack Cork and Jay Rodriguez, the rest is just potential who so far have proven themself as not good enough.
Both should be starting every week, and if they cant last the full 90 the young 'talent' could then be utilised as impact subs.
Absolutely agree, put into that context.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:42 pm
by fidelcastro
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:34 pm
I didn't. He's a clever footballer.
I remember comments such as "should be nowhere near a starting XI at this level".
It always intrigues me how players become better players when they're not playing.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:44 pm
by Carlos the Great
Jay rod has been a brilliant player but it’s time to move on now ,, when we had Benson Zaroury and Tella we had a dangerous front line
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:47 pm
by boatshed bill
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:42 pm
I remember comments such as "should be nowhere near a starting XI at this level".
It always intrigues me how players become better players when they're not playing.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:59 pm
by Goliath
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:42 pm
I remember comments such as "should be nowhere near a starting XI at this level".
It always intrigues me how players become better players when they're not playing.
These comments were from different people with different views. Im the one who started the thread and i've had a consistent opinion all the way through.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:00 pm
by ISpeds00
Most current squad players named in this entire thread shouldnt be in a premier league side
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:03 pm
by IanMcL
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:42 pm
I remember comments such as "should be nowhere near a starting XI at this level".
It always intrigues me how players become better players when they're not playing.
The same as one loan game of a half decent nature, gets a "Sign him on" chant. Invariably misplaced enthusiasm.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:04 pm
by kentonclaret
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:42 pm
It always intrigues me how players become better players when they're not playing.
Muric?
We should get around £60m for this lad he becomes a better keeper every time Trafford plays.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:14 pm
by warksclaret
We are a side that spends most of the time on the back-foot. To score goals we need to be very quick indeed in the PL at counter-attacking.Its something we are shocking at. My footballing friends who know I support Burnley tell me how laborious we are when attacking.Cries for Rodriguez and JBG to be regular starters make us even more ponderous. They have been great servants for the club but like Westwood, Lowton and several others will be lucky next year to find a club in the Championship
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:40 pm
by fidelcastro
Goliath wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:59 pm
These comments were from different people with different views. Im the one who started the thread and i've had a consistent opinion all the way through.
Okay, but it's not one I share.
I think age and the injuries have caught up with him now.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:41 pm
by fidelcastro
IanMcL wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:03 pm
The same as one loan game of a half decent nature, gets a "Sign him on" chant. Invariably misplaced enthusiasm.
No one was saying that about Paul Stewart!
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:03 pm
by houseboy
For the ones arguing for Barnes, can you remember when he was the first name on the team sheet under Dyche, whilst offering nothing? Sure he was running around a lot, yes he was putting it about (and getting booked), but he was shockingly bad but kept getting picked by a manager who could teach Kompany about how to not drop under-performing players.
Talk about rose coloured glasses.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:29 pm
by Pickles
Shows what a stale season it's been that we're debating Rodriguez or Barnes.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:47 am
by Commy
warksclaret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:14 pm
We are a side that spends most of the time on the back-foot. To score goals we need to be very quick indeed in the PL at counter-attacking.Its something we are shocking at. My footballing friends who know I support Burnley tell me how laborious we are when attacking.Cries for Rodriguez and JBG to be regular starters make us even more ponderous. They have been great servants for the club but like Westwood, Lowton and several others will be lucky next year to find a club in the Championship
Yet we seem to play better with JBG. His vision and passing has been the best of any player this season. He is top on chances created with 30. It isn't his fault the players aren't finishing them off. If they had put half of those in people would be saying he should be the first name on the sheet.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:24 am
by Foshiznik
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:08 am
by Luppy
I feel there's a general disconnect between this team and the Burnley fans - once Cork and Jay are gone this summer, and possibly Taylor though I'd hope we are trying to sort a new contract, it will pretty much leave JBG and Brownhill from the "old guard". What worried me Saturday was, O'Shea, Fofana and Jay when he came on aside, nobody seemed to want to "play for the shirt".
The one thing we have got used to is 100% effort - I question some of this starting line up on that front when the going is tough, I really do.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:23 am
by Murger
I was 1 of those who said Jay shouldn’t be anywhere near the starting lineup. But you could tell he was as ****** as the rest of us on Saturday. You could tell it means something. He has what we are sadly lacking.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:25 am
by Goliath
Luppy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:08 am
I feel there's a general disconnect between this team and the Burnley fans - once Cork and Jay are gone this summer, and possibly Taylor though I'd hope we are trying to sort a new contract, it will pretty much leave JBG and Brownhill from the "old guard". What worried me Saturday was, O'Shea, Fofana and Jay when he came on aside, nobody seemed to want to "play for the shirt".
The one thing we have got used to is 100% effort - I question some of this starting line up on that front when the going is tough, I really do.
This is why i'm getting more and more annoyed with Odobert. When we get him 1 v 1 with a full back hes really good and always a threat. The rest of the game hes an absolute passenger, and it's getting worse not better. We can't really drop him because he's our biggest attacking threat, so he will continue to get away with it.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:58 am
by claret2018
He’s now a low-end Championship player and shouldn’t be anywhere near a Premier League squad.
Showing a bit of passion doesn’t make him any better as a player.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:49 pm
by Sleeping Cat
When Jay was in the team pre Xmas I actually thought these performances as a team were the best we had this season. He got the best out of those around him and defended from the front. Useful for defending set pieces also. So I think there's argument to say that in a front two Jay should partner one of Foster/Fofana/Amdouni.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:29 pm
by Goliath
Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:49 pm
When Jay was in the team pre Xmas I actually thought these performances as a team were the best we had this season. He got the best out of those around him and defended from the front. Useful for defending set pieces also. So I think there's argument to say that in a front two Jay should partner one of Foster/Fofana/Amdouni.
Exactly this! Its not about individuals, its about a team and we are a better team with him in it.
If you listen to the latest Ben Foster podcast, Jay himself talks about the importance put on the strikers in stopping the ball coming through the middle into the central midfielders. Who's more likely to be disciplined enough to stop that consistently, Rodriguez or Amdouni?
I think hes a number 10 and always has been so the competition for me should be Amdouni/Rodriguez partnering Foster/Fofana.
How often have we seen Foster partnering Rodriguez, im not sure ita happened once this season which is madness.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:54 pm
by CoolClaret
Goliath wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:29 pm
Exactly this! Its not about individuals, its about a team and we are a better team with him in it.
If you listen to the latest Ben Foster podcast, Jay himself talks about the importance put on the strikers in stopping the ball coming through the middle into the central midfielders. Who's more likely to be disciplined enough to stop that consistently, Rodriguez or Amdouni?
I think hes a number 10 and always has been so the competition for me should be Amdouni/Rodriguez partnering Foster/Fofana.
How often have we seen Foster partnering Rodriguez, im not sure ita happened once this season which is madness.
Agreed
As evident here on Arsenal's first goal.
Just 4 minutes in and the lad who's meant to be playing #10/second striker is just jogging back despite Martin Odegaard making himself available at the edge of the box.
Really can't be arsed with Amdouni.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:00 pm
by Goliath
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:54 pm
Agreed
As evident here on Arsenal's first goal.
Just 4 minutes in and the lad who's meant to be playing #10/second striker is just jogging back despite Martin Odegaard making himself available at the edge of the box.
Really can't be arsed with Amdouni.
Hes not even showing the occasional nice bit of play anymore that we all got a bit excited about at the start of the season, hes an empty shirt and needs to be taken out of the firing line.
Id even prefer to try Tresor there over him at the moment.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:01 pm
by CoolClaret
Goliath wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:00 pm
Hes not even showing the occasional nice bit of play anymore that we all got a bit excited about at the start of the season, hes an empty shirt and needs to be taken out of the firing line.
Id even prefer to try Tresor there over him at the moment.
He had 15 minutes at the start of the match against Liverpool, then went missing.
Obviously talented but mentality and willingness to throw himself into a game is absolutely miles off it. Just not a player for the PL at all.
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:16 pm
by IanMcL
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:41 pm
No one was saying that about Paul Stewart!
The exception proves the rule!
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:28 pm
by blatherwickstattoos
Jay , cork , muric , Cullen cannot be as bad as what we’ve been watching the last few months …surely
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:28 pm
by blatherwickstattoos
Even with a few of their legs having gone
Re: Jay Rodtiguez
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:15 pm
by Rileybobs
It’s not a good thing that Rodriguez starting games for us is a serious suggestion. But before Foster’s injury I was hoping to see a front two of Foster and Fofana. Now Foster is injured I would like to see Rodriguez and Fofana.