What’s it worth now ?

I can only think of Odobert and Koleosho who will be worth more than we paid but the value and stock of some players must have plummeted. Is it a flawed strategy to just buy young assuming values will increase ?

Probably the Stadium and Training ground when we need to remortgage.

Probably only Kolosheo. There is a limited market for £10 million plus players and I'm not sure Odobert has done enough to warrant anything more than what we paid..

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:44 pm

What’s it worth now ?

I can only think of Odobert and Koleosho who will be worth more than we paid but the value and stock of some players must have plummeted. Is it a flawed strategy to just buy young assuming values will increase ?

I think what we pay on players is a pittance compared to our competition.

- Brentford just spent £30 on one player.
- Bournemouth spent €117m in one summer, Adam’s costing €26m and Scott €23m - so basically half of our summer spend on just two players.
- Forest spent €131m last year and €190-odd the year prior.

I think it’s all a bit tinpot of our fans to get their knickers in a twist about a £96m spend and basically underlines why we are where we are.

As for whether they’re worth more or less, we’ll see in summer I suppose. I think other clubs pay a lot more than we do so we’ll be surprised what they will play for our players, but I don’t really care as our most important job now will be keeping as much of this team together as possible.

you know that players values don't tend to reach their maximum after two thirds of a season right ?

The value of them right now does not matter, it’s the value of them when they’re sold. Ramsey right now probably isn’t worth more than we paid but 3 years down the line, if he becomes half the player his brother is, he will be worth more than what we paid.

Bournemouth signed a lad from Italy last Jan and he has since gone on loan to Napoli with mandatory buy clause of 25m and didn’t feature at Bournemouth

Forest are going to get 20m for mangela in the summer and he was poor for them

Southampton got 60m for Lavia and are getting 25m for Alcaraz in the summer

Can still do good business after bad seasons, just about strong with negotiations. We shouldn’t entertain anything below 30m for Odobert

We have a hell of a squad for the Championship, it juat needs managing well. We shpuld also bring in abput 30 million in player sales to help us address weaknesses in the squad so it isnt all bad.

The problem really comes if we dont go straight back up next season. Thats when things could become very dodgy.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:57 pm

I think what we pay on players is a pittance compared to our competition.

- Brentford just spent £30 on one player.
- Bournemouth spent €117m in one summer, Adam’s costing €26m and Scott €23m - so basically half of our summer spend on just two players.
- Forest spent €131m last year and €190-odd the year prior.

I think it’s all a bit tinpot of our fans to get their knickers in a twist about a £96m spend and basically underlines why we are where we are.

As for whether they’re worth more or less, we’ll see in summer I suppose. I think other clubs pay a lot more than we do so we’ll be surprised what they will play for our players, but I don’t really care as our most important job now will be keeping as much of this team together as possible.

Tinpot of our fans? Hardly a pittance in comparison? I don’t know where you get your 96 million from. I think you will find its north of 100 million spent.
So even if we stick at your 96 million and compare it to 117 million and 131 million it isn’t a pittance is it? It’s almost as much.
If we had spent another 25 million, we still wouldn’t be any stronger because Vincent would have no doubt wasted it on some more square pegs in round holes.

I would be very surprised if anyone bids £30m for Odebart.

You have to work hard for all teams at this level.

We spent the money on young players with no experience of the PL.
We are where we are because of that.

We rolled the dice on four big money signings - Trafford, Amdouni, Ramsey and Tresor - and none of them have paid off.

The sheer cult like status some fans hold VK in , they’re simply unable to offer a critique of this shocking season or the staggering failure of the players thus far.

As an eternal optimist I’m somehow hoping we can get serious points in our next 4 “winnable games “ and this allied to the possible points deductions could still yet offer an unlikely lifeline for our mix n match rabble .

Oderbert IF he bags a few more maybe go 20m+ . The rest we’d maybe just about re-coup .

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:04 am

you know that players values don't tend to reach their maximum after two thirds of a season right ?

Particularly when you're playing as sh!t as we are.

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:58 am

The sheer cult like status some fans hold VK in , they’re simply unable to offer a critique of this shocking season or the staggering failure of the players thus far.

As an eternal optimist I’m somehow hoping we can get serious points in our next 4 “winnable games “ and this allied to the possible points deductions could still yet offer an unlikely lifeline for our mix n match rabble .

Oderbert IF he bags a few more maybe go 20m+ . The rest we’d maybe just about re-coup .

I'm confident we'd get more than we paid for Koleosho and Berge.

We have spent circa 135m since kompany has been in charge and generated circa 80m in sales, that’s without loan fees in and out.

So when you balance it out we have spent on average around 14m per window since kompany has been in charge

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:25 am

I would be very surprised if anyone bids £30m for Odebart.

You have to work hard for all teams at this level.

I would be very surprised if anyone bid half of that for Odebert.

The 100 million is more than likely spread over lets say 3 seasons. Which means its 33 million a season...the question should be is do we believe we can recoup that money each year with one or two on the fringes not deemed good enough and possibly one or two stand out performers being sold.

So as I look at it...yes the 33 million can be made back this summer with the possible sales of Churlinov, Benson, Brownhill, Weghorst, Twine, Muric, Roberts, Ekdal to name but a few.

The difference being to what Dyche left us with was that we still will have a squad to fall back on. Whether they are good enough is another thing and all opinion based. But I would put my mortgage on it that we will walk the Championship

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:07 am

We have spent circa 135m since kompany has been in charge and generated circa 80m in sales, that’s without loan fees in and out.

So when you balance it out we have spent on average around 14m per window since kompany has been in charge

You mean the 80 million in sales that were largely done before Kompany was appointed as manager? The 80 million that helped to service ALK’s loans.
You can sugar coat it all you like, but at the end of the day our transfer dealings have been nothing short of abysmal. Kompany has been allowed to sign more players than any manager in Burnley’s history. And what a mess he has made of it.
Someone in another post said that Kompany owns or part owns the recruitment company that sources these players?
I hope they are incorrect with this information. Otherwise, every time we have signed a player with “potential”, Kompany will have trousered a wedge of cash for each signing. If that is the case we have truly had our pants pulled down.

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:08 am

The 100 million is more than likely spread over lets say 3 seasons. Which means its 33 million a season...the question should be is do we believe we can recoup that money each year with one or two on the fringes not deemed good enough and possibly one or two stand out performers being sold.

So as I look at it...yes the 33 million can be made back this summer with the possible sales of Churlinov, Benson, Brownhill, Weghorst, Twine, Muric, Roberts, Ekdal to name but a few.

The difference being to what Dyche left us with was that we still will have a squad to fall back on. Whether they are good enough is another thing and all opinion based. But I would put my mortgage on it that we will walk the Championship

Your brave, I wouldn't even put a fiver on us walking the championship next season. Be surprised if this team makes the play offs

Not brave...realistic. We will own that league. It shocks me how people think it is anything special. The standard is shocking. We will be like the Harlem Globetrotters in that league.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:19 am

You mean the 80 million in sales that were largely done before Kompany was appointed as manager? The 80 million that helped to service ALK’s loans.
You can sugar coat it all you like, but at the end of the day our transfer dealings have been nothing short of abysmal. Kompany has been allowed to sign more players than any manager in Burnley’s history. And what a mess he has made of it.
Someone in another post said that Kompany owns or part owns the recruitment company that sources these players?
I hope they are incorrect with this information. Otherwise, every time we have signed a player with “potential”, Kompany will have trousered a wedge of cash for each signing. If that is the case we have truly had our pants pulled down.

We can only judge the investment in 3 or 4 years time when the sums we have spent will have finally been paid off. You don't invest to then sell within a year. You maximise your investment. I will bet you that in 3 years time...just 4 of this current squad (probs 30 players brought in) will have recouped 100 million of our spend

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:19 am

You mean the 80 million in sales that were largely done before Kompany was appointed as manager? The 80 million that helped to service ALK’s loans.
You can sugar coat it all you like, but at the end of the day our transfer dealings have been nothing short of abysmal. Kompany has been allowed to sign more players than any manager in Burnley’s history. And what a mess he has made of it.
Someone in another post said that Kompany owns or part owns the recruitment company that sources these players?
I hope they are incorrect with this information. Otherwise, every time we have signed a player with “potential”, Kompany will have trousered a wedge of cash for each signing. If that is the case we have truly had our pants pulled down.

Pope, Collins, McNeil and cornet all sold in kompanys first window

The point wasn’t that the recruitment has been good it’s that we haven’t just spent 100m without any sales since kompany has been in charge

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:31 am

Pope, Collins, McNeil and cornet all sold in kompanys first window

The point wasn’t that the recruitment has been good it’s that we haven’t just spent 100m without any sales since kompany has been in charge

Yes I now agree with you on this point. However, I am still of the opinion that he has not spent the 100 million wisely and it will be interesting to see what happens when we have to trim the wage bill.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:37 am

Yes I now agree with you on this point. However, I am still of the opinion that he has not spent the 100 million wisely and it will be interesting to see what happens when we have to trim the wage bill.

I would like to say I dont agree with the signings we have made...how you can spend so much on att midfielders and still have Gudmondsson as an option is shocking. Midfield likewise and to still stick with Brownhill who I support as a Burnley player but believe is absolute gash. All them centre halves and still cry out for the return of Charlie Taylor who is everything a Kompany player seems not to be.

But we are where we are and I do believe overall we will turn a profit on them as a group.

I think as Burnley fans in general we are very patient...its just so hard this year as there seems no fight from the players, although it must be hard rocking up every week knowing as a group we arent good enough

Did we actually spend 100 million? Or was this the maximum figure it would be including add ins? Baring in mind how crap we are I imagine quite a lot of add ons are not going to be hit so the spend will be quite a bit less than that. Still a lot of money for us though whatever the figure was and clearly not value for money YET.

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:48 am

Did we actually spend 100 million? Or was this the maximum figure it would be including add ins? Baring in mind how crap we are I imagine quite a lot of add ons are not going to be hit so the spend will be quite a bit less than that. Still a lot of money for us though whatever the figure was and clearly not value for money YET.

Even if we did...its not in one payment...its spread over 4 years probably so really its 25 million a season. And agreed with the YET

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:42 am

I would like to say I dont agree with the signings we have made...how you can spend so much on att midfielders and still have Gudmondsson as an option is shocking. Midfield likewise and to still stick with Brownhill who I support as a Burnley player but believe is absolute gash. All them centre halves and still cry out for the return of Charlie Taylor who is everything a Kompany player seems not to be.

But we are where we are and I do believe overall we will turn a profit on them as a group.

I think as Burnley fans in general we are very patient...its just so hard this year as there seems no fight from the players, although it must be hard rocking up every week knowing as a group we arent good enough

I wish I could share your optimism about turning a profit on this group of players. I personally think it will be difficult to offload many of them and some will end up out on loan at lower league clubs with us paying a proportion of their salaries.

What is paramount is reducing our wage bill, which will help the club. Cork,Rodriguez, JBG,Taylor , Brownhill will all be on mega wages. Peacock Farrell, Bastian, McNally, Weghorst are others that should be got off our books. We know clearly where we need to recruit

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:32 am

What is paramount is reducing our wage bill, which will help the club. Cork,Rodriguez, JBG,Taylor , Brownhill will all be on mega wages. Peacock Farrell, Bastian, McNally, Weghorst are others that should be got off our books. We know clearly where we need to recruit

We might know clearly where we need to recruit. Does the manager?

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:35 am

We might know clearly where we need to recruit. Does the manager?

No, he'd best leave it to a panel of experts from the Beehole End

We also need to take into consideration the amount of destruction to the value of last year’s team that has taken place. The likes of Benson, Zaroury and Muric were being talked about as £20m players last season, but having been casually cast aside ever since, we wouldn’t get half of that now.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:56 am

No, he'd best leave it to a panel of experts from the Beehole End

No, we will all be staying at home following pushinpussy’s orders.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:37 am

Yes I now agree with you on this point. However, I am still of the opinion that he has not spent the 100 million wisely and it will be interesting to see what happens when we have to trim the wage bill.

We have tried to be clever with recruitment and it’s backfired completely.

Not having a settled back 5 with 2 prem full backs all season hasn’t helped.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:07 am

I'm confident we'd get more than we paid for Koleosho and Berge.

Once Kolo has a season under his belt he could be a cracker it has to be said , Berge I’m not so sure , he’s certainly decent but I’m not sure he’s a 20m+ player .

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:07 pm

Once Kolo has a season under his belt he could be a cracker it has to be said , Berge I’m not so sure , he’s certainly decent but I’m not sure he’s a 20m+ player .

Think we paid c£12m for Berge

Net spend for last 2 seasons is 74m per transfer market.

Gross spend however is 154m which is the most worrying

Ilkley claret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:23 pm

Gross spend however is 154m which is the most worrying

80m in sales

Ilkley claret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:17 pm

Net spend for last 2 seasons is 74m per transfer market.

Why do you just base it on the last 2, base it in the 4 that kompany has been in charge for
In and around 140m spent
Around 80m in player sales

Works out at 15m a window since he’s been in charge.

All depends which way you spin it doesn’t it really

The players sold after relegation had nothing to do with Kompany.

You can't credit VK with the revenue from Pope, McNeil, Collins and Cornet.

forzagranata wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:33 pm

The players sold after relegation had nothing to do with Kompany.

You can't credit VK with the revenue from Pope, McNeil, Collins and Cornet.

I’m not crediting kompany but if we are talking about the money spent under his watch you have to take into consideration the sales whilst he’s been here to give a fair reflection on the money spent.

It’s not just that we have spent 140m since kompany has been in charge, that instantly financially looks bad but when you have 80m in sales it doesn’t look as bad. Had we not made the sales we wouldn’t have spent as much

I've just done ten minutes of research re what being in the PL is worth in financial terms terms.
As of May 22, Burnley gained £106m simply by being members of the PL.
I'm struggling to understand why Kompany and Pace naively and immediately went down the speculative route of untried players rather than a couple of seasons of bringing in hardened PL battlers to consolidate PL status before looking at young pups with promising stats.

I'd be more concerned re the loss off that guaranteed revenue though having to offload expensive young talent with discounted transfer fees will only compound the damage.

forzagranata wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:33 pm

The players sold after relegation had nothing to do with Kompany.

You can't credit VK with the revenue from Pope, McNeil, Collins and Cornet.

Had we not sold Collins for 22m, you’d imagine at least one of the perm deals for Beyer, al-dakhil, Ekdal, O’Shea, Delcroix and now esteve wouldn’t of happened

Had we not sold McNeil and corner for what was it combined 36m ish, who knows which wide players we would have still signed

Billyblah wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:44 pm

I've just done ten minutes of research re what being in the PL is worth in financial terms terms.
As of May 22, Burnley gained £106m simply by being members of the PL.
I'm struggling to understand why Kompany and Pace naively and immediately went down the speculative route of untried players rather than a couple of seasons of bringing in hardened PL battlers to consolidate PL status before looking at young pups with promising stats.

I'd be more concerned re the loss off that guaranteed revenue though having to offload expensive young talent with discounted transfer fees will only compound the damage.

We are surely all wondering why more experienced players weren’t brought in. A few times this season in press conferences kompany has used Leicester as an example of experience not always keeping you in the league, which I think is just one of those freak things to happen because Leicester have to be one of the best squad of players to go down

I know we sold Pope for 10 million and bought Trafford for nearly twice as much

Imagine what Dyche could have done if he'd have been given £100 million....

CHEWBACCA wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:14 pm

Imagine what Dyche could have done if he'd have been given £100 million....

Our wage bill would have been much higher for starters.

CHEWBACCA wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:14 pm

Imagine what Dyche could have done if he'd have been given £100 million....

100% agree had dyche been given the same investment after we finished 7th who’s knows what would of happened.

He did also waste some money too, hart, Gibson, wells and Vydra come to mind

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:18 pm

100% agree had dyche been given the same investment after we finished 7th who’s knows what would of happened.

He did also waste some money too, hart, Gibson, wells and Vydra come to mind

Not so much that he wasted money, because he didn't really do badly with what he had. But he should have sold players (some at their peak value) rather than let them run their contracts down.