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Yep,I have no doubt he will manage us sometime in the future,he is very keen and was pipped to the post by Kompany.Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:43 pmWhat What What!
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Wilder was clearly in the final 3 but they made reference to him being “too much like Sean”.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:41 pmanyone thinking Wilder was even in the reckoning didn't watch the documentary
who were the final three ?Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:46 pmWilder was clearly in the final 3 but they made reference to him being “too much like Sean”.
Yes I agree, he is a nice guy. I know him to talk to locally, wouldn’t class him as a friend, don’t know him very well, but I know people who do and they praise him. He’s a bit direct, which is a good thing in this industry.
The conversation was in the referee's office wasn't it? Going into the ref's office, most likely totally unannounced, at the end of a physically exerting game for both players and officials, is nothing like a planned business meeting with a supplier.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:28 amRe the sandwich comment… I totally agree with Wilder. How long does it take to meet the manager… would you take a sandwich to a business meeting with a client or supplier and start eating while discussing projects (outside of a business lunch). It is completely unprofessional and disrespectful, he could /should have waited half an hour until he returned to the referees room. It may be old fashioned, but I think it should certainly be called out as such.
Kompany, Wilder and Rooney apparently.
I heard one was Kjetil Knutsen, no idea how true that is though.
yes he was linked for certainJambounchained wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:13 pmI heard one was Kjetil Knutsen, no idea how true that is though.
If the manager of another company comes into a communal office and and one of my employees kept on eating their lunch in the communal office my visitor might not blast the sandwich eater, but I sure as hell would.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 amThe conversation was in the referee's office wasn't it? Going into the ref's office, most likely totally unannounced, at the end of a physically exerting game for both players and officials, is nothing like a planned business meeting with a supplier.
Jan Dahl Thomassen was in the runningJambounchained wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:13 pmI heard one was Kjetil Knutsen, no idea how true that is though.
If a manager burst into my office, being pretty obnoxious and ranting, I'm going to carry on eating my sandwich, and I wouldn't stop my assistant doing either. Bearing in mind they've probably had no real proper sustenance for hours, including a good while before the game. We don't know the exact details of what happened, but it doesn't sound like a pre-arranged, cordial chat. So what if he's only ranted for ten minutes, being a big shot Premier League manager doesn't give you carte blanche to just go off on one. If anything, acceptance of this behaviour is a bigger problem than the unwritten rules of respect that you shouldn't be eating food when a person wants to have a go at you.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:16 pmIf the manager of another company comes into a communal office and and one of my employees kept on eating their lunch in the communal office my visitor might not blast the sandwich eater, but I sure as hell would.
The linesman has run up and down the line for 100minutes with a ten minutes rest break… if he needs sustenance so badly he should be seeking medical health and give up the job. How long does a ranting manager stay…. Ten minutes max.
If my customer thinks I’ve let him down it is better I deal with it sensitively, not throw fuel on the fire. I have to work with them again, why foster ill feeling by being ignorant…. Let them blast and then calm them down…. Long term/ public issue avoided.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:26 pmIf a manager burst into my office, being pretty obnoxious and ranting, I'm going to carry on eating my sandwich, and I wouldn't stop my assistant doing either. Bearing in mind they've probably had no real proper sustenance for hours, including a good while before the game. We don't know the exact details of what happened, but it doesn't sound like a pre-arranged, cordial chat. So what if he's only ranted for ten minutes, being a big shot Premier League manager doesn't give you carte blanche to just go off on one. If anything, acceptance of this behaviour is a bigger problem than the unwritten rules of respect that you shouldn't be eating food when a person wants to have a go at you.
I don’t think many of us have not gone over the top when we’ve been having a rant about something. Some of the best people I know in their fields talk utter ball cocks at times of high stress /jinks. I like it, it shows there is a real passion there, and demonstrates how much it hurts…Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:07 pmCan't say I like Wilder and his narrow-eyed Tyke hard-man act very much. He made an absolute fool of himself with the sandwich incident and the Guardian football cartoonist David Squires made hay !....
https://www.theguardian.com/football/pi ... f-sandwich
Chris Wilder is not the assistant referee’s customer.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:36 pmIf my customer thinks I’ve let him down it is better I deal with it sensitively, not throw fuel on the fire. I have to work with them again, why foster ill feeling by being ignorant…. Let them blast and then calm them down…. Long term/ public issue avoided.
The linesman is the equivalent of an assistant manager eating a sandwich when the head of Rover group walked into my office… if he wants to rant I don’t care if he’s justified in his action right then… that is to be established later. You treat them with the respect their position demands.
I don’t think it is pedantic or irrelevant. The referee’s assistant doesn’t work for Chris Wilder. They are equals. If he’s eating a sandwich when Wilder walks into a room he shouldn’t be expected to put it to the side until Wilder says he can continue to eat it. Massive sense of entitlement from Wilder.
The attitude that a linesman and manager of a club are equals is exactly the kind of thinking that has ruined the game.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:36 pmI don’t think it is pedantic or irrelevant. The referee’s assistant doesn’t work for Chris Wilder. They are equals. If he’s eating a sandwich when Wilder walks into a room he shouldn’t be expected to put it to the side until Wilder says he can continue to eat it. Massive sense of entitlement from Wilder.
In what way? The officials actually have authority over the manager so no idea where you’re getting this idea from.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:39 pmThe attitude that a linesman and manager of a club are equals is exactly the kind of thinking that has ruined the game.
If I was the employee on my lunch break eating a sandwich in a communal office I work in and you "blasted" me for it, I would tell you where to stick your job and shall fall asleep tonight thankful you are not my manager.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:16 pmIf the manager of another company comes into a communal office and and one of my employees kept on eating their lunch in the communal office my visitor might not blast the sandwich eater, but I sure as hell would.
The linesman has run up and down the line for 100minutes with a ten minutes rest break… if he needs sustenance so badly he should be seeking medical health and give up the job. How long does a ranting manager stay…. Ten minutes max.
You would have been fired before it ever came to that. There was no food allowed in the building. Respect is not about authority… respect is about decency, and accepting that sometimes maybe someone else may be right; especially when they have spent their lives gaining the knowledge to do their jobs effectively… and I’m a linesman who does not even have to make a decision whether to put my flag up to make my living.claretburns wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:53 pmIf I was the employee on my lunch break eating a sandwich in a communal office I work in and you "blasted" me for it, I would tell you where to stick your job and shall fall asleep tonight thankful you are not my manager.
If Wilder had any respect should he not have said something along the lines of "I am about to be a bit of a knob (again) but you are eating I will come back when you have finished" ?elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:08 pmYou would have been fired before it ever came to that. There was no food allowed in the building. Respect is not about authority… respect is about decency, and accepting that sometimes maybe someone else may be right; especially when they have spent their lives gaining the knowledge to do their jobs effectively… and I’m a linesman who does not even have to make a decision whether to put my flag up to make my living.
You're having a bit of a nightmare trying to defend him. Looking very stupid yourself, at least he can put being a nob down to the pressures of getting beat every week.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:08 pmYou would have been fired before it ever came to that. There was no food allowed in the building. Respect is not about authority… respect is about decency, and accepting that sometimes maybe someone else may be right; especially when they have spent their lives gaining the knowledge to do their jobs effectively… and I’m a linesman who does not even have to make a decision whether to put my flag up to make my living.
Your opinion which I hold in as little regard as you do mine.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:01 amYou're having a bit of a nightmare trying to defend him. Looking very stupid yourself, at least he can put being a nob down to the pressures of getting beat every week.
If he apologised for the sandwich comment, people might listen to his rants about decisions.
I agree you would hope Wilder would publicly apologise for his over reaction, when he calmed down… as he made public his outburst in the first place…(and yes I’d expect it to have been done quietly and in private by now). That is a different argument… than the one I was answering. I think it is a language thing that has got a few here jumping down my throat. My training is to approach arguments with an open mind and to seek truths, not just accepted truth. I was pointing out that Wilder’s truth is very different than the truths expressed on this board. I have no real axe to grind about Wilder in particular either way… (and agree with you). As a postmodern M-Res graduate I would have been disappointed had I not been able to make a defence for Wilder as each individual will have their own truth about the episode… none of which should be ignored.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:23 amIf Wilder had any respect should he not have said something along the lines of "I am about to be a bit of a knob (again) but you are eating I will come back when you have finished" ?
Indeed, and of course it is relevant but challenging him is not the thrust of the thread.Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:47 pmAnd of course the assistant referee's truth, if his is relevant of course.
