Just a few from this evening’s viewing:

Overload
Low-block
High-press
Initiate the press
Recycling
Rotations
Through/ Between the lines
Double pivot



Which do you like?
Any you can’t stand?
Want to add any?

The worst one has got to be “the quarterback role”.

" In the moment" , or " In this moment"

Burnley nil.

Slightly O/T but somewhat related -

I found Jesse Marsch's segment on MNF rather interesting; not because of the tactics or 'Redbull football philosophy' or whatever - more how I think tactical obsession and focus is just a small part of the game.

He was speaking from a position of authority like it was some genius, fool-proof formula but then you look at his results with Leeds and Leipzing and it just kinda sounds like hot air..

Have a philosophy of course, drill patterns of play and have some sort of tactical identity but I really do believe in modern football which is utterly data/analysis obsessed the actual man-management of the players is one thing being massively overlooked - and I think it is because it's not something you can easily quantify.

Checking goal for offside.
Goal overturned by VAR.

Transition

Disconnect

It is a sorry state of affairs but these are all now far to common place in modern football terminology

Amortisation
Multi-Club Operation
UEFA Co-efficient Payments
Parachute Payments
Financial Fair Play
Profit and Sustainability Rules
Private Equity
* (next to a teams name in a league table)
Ownership group
Minority Co-Owner
Legacy Fan

I am sure there are many more

Football is a game of two halves played in two halves. Where is the final third?

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:57 pm

Slightly O/T but somewhat related -

I found Jesse Marsch's segment on MNF rather interesting; not because of the tactics or 'Redbull football philosophy' or whatever - more how I think tactical obsession and focus is just a small part of the game.

He was speaking from a position of authority like it was some genius, fool-proof formula but then you look at his results with Leeds and Leipzing and it just kinda sounds like hot air..

Have a philosophy of course, drill patterns of play and have some sort of tactical identity but I really do believe in modern football which is utterly data/analysis obsessed the actual man-management of the players is one thing being massively overlooked - and I think it is because it's not something you can easily quantify.

Saw that thought he looked and talked like a total mug.

Caragher and the host were like “ wtf is he on about!?”

Talking about simple pressing like it was some amazing reinvention of the wheel with those awful made up phrases.

He kept saying he was after a job in the prem again while eyeing the Burnley badge on the monitor.

I hope to God he gets nowhere near the club proper chancer there.

Says he studied the red bull manual, great, so you coach from a manual? 🫤

A players a warrior.

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:08 pm

Saw that thought he looked and talked like a total mug.

Caragher and the host were like “ wtf is he on about!?”

Talking about simple pressing like it was some amazing reinvention of the wheel with those awful made up phrases.

He kept saying he was after a job in the prem again while eyeing the Burnley badge on the monitor.

I hope to God he gets nowhere near the club proper chancer there.

Says he studied the red bull manual, great, so you coach from a manual? 🫤

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:08 pm

Saw that thought he looked and talked like a total mug.

Talking about simple pressing like it was some amazing reinvention of the wheel with those awful made up phrases.

He kept saying he was after a job in the prem again while eyeing the Burnley badge on the monitor.

I hope to God he gets nowhere near the club proper chancer there.

Says he studied the red bull manual, great, so you coach from a manual? 🫤

Was embarrassing wasn't it? Signed a ton of players for a ton of money as well and still couldn't get a tune (sound familiar?).

Leeds Fans found it hilarious mind, given the results he had with them and the dross he served up.

Can imagine that talk from a manager could really impress an owner of a club though - genuinely mental is pro footy.

False 9

xG just another stat for the sake of having a stat.

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:08 pm

Saw that thought he looked and talked like a total mug.

Caragher and the host were like “ wtf is he on about!?”

Talking about simple pressing like it was some amazing reinvention of the wheel with those awful made up phrases.

He kept saying he was after a job in the prem again while eyeing the Burnley badge on the monitor.

I hope to God he gets nowhere near the club proper chancer there.

Says he studied the red bull manual, great, so you coach from a manual? 🫤

The prime example of why it was so cringeworthy, was him waxing lyrical about his system and they then use a clip where Leeds are 3-1 down at home to Bournemouth.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:14 pm

Was embarrassing wasn't it? Signed a ton of players for a ton of money as well and still couldn't get a tune (sound familiar?).

Leeds Fans found it hilarious mind, given the results he had with them and the dross he served up.

Can imagine that talk from a manager could really impress an owner of a club though - genuinely mental is pro footy.

It was like a buzzword salad the sort of thing that impresses chairman that have no clue about managing a football club, that was the most worrying thing

To me it translated as “ the players all swarm around the ball in a hexagon shape so we can win it back instantly” WOW! really amazing tactics Jesse !


I am worried that Pace has probably already talked to him that would finish us off right for him to follow Kompany. I hope someone with sense is left in the club advising Pace on what to do next!

Goody1975 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:21 pm

The prime example of why it was so cringeworthy, was him waxing lyrical about his system and they then use a clip where Leeds are 3-1 down at home to Bournemouth.

I wonder how much he had to pay sky for that segment

False Nine and Low Block especially grind my gears.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:48 pm

Just a few from this evening’s viewing:

Overload
Low-block
High-press
Initiate the press
Recycling
Rotations
Through/ Between the lines
Double pivot



Which do you like?
Any you can’t stand?
Want to add any?

Line breaking passes.

Goody1975 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:21 pm

The prime example of why it was so cringeworthy, was him waxing lyrical about his system and they then use a clip where Leeds are 3-1 down at home to Bournemouth.

This bit was hilarious especially when he was trying to gas it up when "we've got a little overload in this space.... we have some offensive rotations" aye mate, you were 3-1 down at home.

Bit like when VK's team were all fannying around on their iPads when Everton were smashing us at the Turf.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:29 pm

This bit was hilarious especially when he was trying to gas it up when "we've got a little overload in this space.... we have some offensive rotations" aye mate, you were 3-1 down at home.

Bit like when VK's team were all fannying around on their iPads when Everton were smashing us at the Turf.

I think the guy on the laptop is looking for motivational playlists on Spotify for half time . Super concentrated

Trent.

Two ‘sayings’ I dislike intensely:

Simulation...it’s cheating. Say he’s cheating and have done with it.

He has a right to go down. No he hasn’t. He has an obligation to stay on his feet and try to play the game, not fall down like he’s been shot by a sniper because someone has lightly brushed his shoulder.

There...I’ve said it. Do I feel better now? I don’t actually know.

Inverted
Pockets

Language evolves. If it didn’t I’d have done far better in English Literature whilst studying Shakespeare & Chaucer.

"He is human after all."

Fawning commentators are the absolute worst.

He's not a 10.
What a load of guff.

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:39 pm

"He is human after all."

Fawning commentators are the absolute worst.

Guy Mowbray is the absolute worst at blowing smoke.....

He’s a…..

6

An 8

A 10

A CDM

Stop playing Championship Manager.

In and around
Your Chelseas, your Man Utds, your Liverpools

Terminology previously only heard on programmes like Masterchef now becoming the buzz word of commentators

“That was delicious”

“He hit it too well” as it sails over the bar high, wide and handsome .

"Unbelieve-able"

It's Just Happened Live by Millions.

It's Has Happened Before.
It Will Happen Again
It Will Happen Again ... Next Week Probably..

Managers use it every week.
Players who are trained to hit a Barn Door by whacking a ball in the direction of the Goal seem also suprised...

The most annoying use of this is by Vikki Sparks who it seems to screech "Unbelieve-able" every two minutes.

For once I agree with every post on a thread. Take a group like.
Jermaine Jenas makes me projectile vomit when he starts

I hate it when commentators or pundits refer to a footballer as" the boy Smith ," for example. Like they're a ten year old with a train set.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:34 am

I hate it when commentators or pundits refer to a footballer as" the boy Smith ," for example. Like they're a ten year old with a train set.

“The boys a genius”.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:48 pm

Just a few from this evening’s viewing:

Overload
Low-block
High-press
Initiate the press
Recycling
Rotations
Through/ Between the lines
Double pivot



Which do you like?
Any you can’t stand?
Want to add any?

All are tiresome and used by sheep like people who hear someone say it once and then keep using them. It's like it gives them a better understanding of what they are talking about.

And the crossbar comes to the rescue of (insert team name)!

WTF

The Group instead of squad.

There was contact, he had a right to go down.

Juan Tanamera wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:42 pm

Guy Mowbray is the absolute worst at blowing smoke.....

He's an absolutely awful commentator. There aren't really any good ones any more.

I wince every time I hear a commentator or pundit refer to a powerful shot as a great "hit"

Forwards used to get a shot "in". Now they only ever get shots "away"

Maybe I'm just a grumpy old man nostalgic for a purer, simpler football past.

'Field tilt'

Frank Skinner talks really well about a lot of the phrases used and how he sits watching West Brom thinking wtf are the people around him talking about. I have no problem with that. I know a Burnley fan who couldn’t give a toss about any of it, and also couldn’t care less who we’ve been linked with signing. Just wants to turn up and support his team play football every week. It’s really refreshing.

On the other hand, there’s people who spend half their lives on twitter or forums such as this who don’t get it or even try and get it. That for me becomes ignorance. There’s so much out there that helps people learn. Monday Night Football has had some cracking guests over the years who will explain what’s going on in the game. Similar there are experts who write blogs and news articles picking apart games and explaining what managers have tried to achieve, etc. Most people on here are relative novices, including myself, but you can still try and appreciate what’s going on in a game and looking at the patterns of play. I’m lucky enough to have a birds eye view in the Longside which helps see how we’re set up in relation to modern tactics, but have to confess when I watch non-league from a much lower trajectory I have no idea what’s going on and become much more jumpers for goalposts.

For me it’s a balance. Stand at the bar talking about mid-blocks and pressing triggers and you’re likely to become the pub bore. But I do think there’s a place for it on forums like this.

One I did like the other day, was people going barmy about our xGOT against Arsenal. Literally reflects we didn't have a shot on goal, but as a new 'stat' it had people on Twitter going off like it was Armageddon. One tweeter even said "this would never have happened under Dyche"!

"Assist"" along with all the rest of the crap the Yanks have introduced to our game.

It’s all b0ll0cks that has got worse since manager/coaches had to have licenses to do their jobs. They have to come up with new buzzwords to justify it all.
Bertie Mee started as a physio and won the double.
Bob Paisley was a physio who won many league titles and European Cups.
Lawrie McMenemy was a squaddie who won an FA Cup.
None of them had a license.

Hate when they refer to players in the plural
The Shearers
The Waddles etc

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:06 am

It’s all b0ll0cks that has got worse since manager/coaches had to have licenses to do their jobs. They have to come up with new buzzwords to justify it all.
Bertie Mee started as a physio and won the double.
Bob Paisley was a physio who won many league titles and European Cups.
Lawrie McMenemy was a squaddie who won an FA Cup.
None of them had a license.

Mourinho started as an interpreter

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:06 am

It’s all b0ll0cks that has got worse since manager/coaches had to have licenses to do their jobs. They have to come up with new buzzwords to justify it all.
Bertie Mee started as a physio and won the double.
Bob Paisley was a physio who won many league titles and European Cups.
Lawrie McMenemy was a squaddie who won an FA Cup.
None of them had a license.

Dorking Wanderers chairman & manager Marc White has taken his team that were a group of mates from grassroots football at the bottom of the West Sussex league into the National League; genuinely one of the best achievements in British Football this century.

If they ever managed to get another promotion, the EFL wouldn't allow him to manage in the football league because he hasn't got his badges - make that make sense.

Top, top.

Top, top player. Top, top manager. Top, top team.

Drives me insane.

And describing midfielders as 8s or 6s etc.