Rosenior comment last night on Hull performance

[cblantfanclub]

Hull won last night at Southampton and Liaim Rosenior said of the performance -

"People might say it's a great performance tactically but it's not tactics, it's an appetite to run and fight, and a bravery to play."

I couldn't help think we could do with a bit of that.

[elwaclaret]

Hull won last night at Southampton and Liaim Rosenior said of the performance -

"People might say it's a great performance tactically but it's not tactics, it's an appetite to run and fight, and a bravery to play."

I couldn't help think we could do with a bit of that.

Proving to be a decent manager, I have a lot of time for how Rosenior is doing the job at Hull.

[Colburn_Claret]

Hull won last night at Southampton and Liaim Rosenior said of the performance -

"People might say it's a great performance tactically but it's not tactics, it's an appetite to run and fight, and a bravery to play."

I couldn't help think we could do with a bit of that.

It isn't that simple though, especially with a young squad, new to this country, new to this league.
You build a team around experienced solid performers. Hence a strong spine down the middle.
We screwed up badly with hindsight, not keeping, or buying a couple of leaders on the pitch.
I suspect, although it's only an opinion, that AP and VK looked at experienced old pros, and couldn't see a sell on value. Where as their value isn’t in reselling, but in what they bring to the team and these young lads.

[Marney&Mee]

It isn't that simple though, especially with a young squad, new to this country, new to this league.
You build a team around experienced solid performers. Hence a strong spine down the middle.
We screwed up badly with hindsight, not keeping, or buying a couple of leaders on the pitch.
I suspect, although it's only an opinion, that AP and VK looked at experienced old pros, and couldn't see a sell on value. Where as their value isn’t in reselling, but in what they bring to the team and these young lads.

Indeed. Throw a Mee and Pope into the team and we’d be staying up

[ClaretTony]

Indeed. Throw a Mee and Pope into the team and we’d be staying up

Good characters with experience which is what's needed to build a strong dressing room

[Goliath]

Good characters with experience which is what's needed to build a strong dressing room

To be fair they had very little experience when we signed them.

[FCBurnley]

But Rosenior has a guy called Zaroury playing for him. Just imagine if we had him !!

[Marney&Mee]

Good characters with experience which is what's needed to build a strong dressing room

Indeed. In fact I’d say with a Mee or Tarkowski at the back we’d be staying up. They wouldn’t let any teams bully Trafford, stand in front of him etc.

Scandalous really that Kompany didn’t buy a mini him as centre back and captain to lead the team and provide the crucial backbone

[ClaretTony]

To be fair they had very little experience when we signed them.

Pope arrived into an already strong dressing room of which Mee had become part.

[NewClaret]

Indeed. Throw a Mee and Pope into the team and we’d be staying up

I can’t really say I agree. I think both would help us playing wise, if that’s what you mean.

But in terms of their character helping us stay up/build a strong dressing room, I’d argue we still have Charlie, JBG, Cork, JRod and Browny in that dressing room. They should be bringing the experience and leadership.

I don’t see that one or two additions of calibre really shift the dial when you have 5 or more already in there. And it’s worth remembering we got relegated with them in the side, albeit made a better fist of it.

[Big Vinny K]

To be fair they had very little experience when we signed them.

Mee was signed by Howe and already had some experience even then going out on loan to Leicester.
Pope had to bide his time before he was picked and was behind one of the best keepers in our history.
Tarks had to do the same thing.
Collins had to do the same thing.

And when we did blood youngsters they were always surrounded by experienced and senior players under Dyche.

I am struggling to think of many teams in the EPL that have ever succeeded doing what we are this season. Even the famous United “can’t win anything with kids” team were surrounded by very experienced and quality players

[Dyched]

It isn't that simple though, especially with a young squad, new to this country, new to this league.
You build a team around experienced solid performers. Hence a strong spine down the middle.
We screwed up badly with hindsight, not keeping, or buying a couple of leaders on the pitch.
I suspect, although it's only an opinion, that AP and VK looked at experienced old pros, and couldn't see a sell on value. Where as their value isn’t in reselling, but in what they bring to the team and these young lads.

We signed a bunch of youngster who look at us like a stepping stone to something great. Just walking about the pitch, only playing now and again and not putting in much effort and the world will just be willing to drop everything for them.

What we had with Dyche was a team of players who knew it could be their one and only chance of playing at the top level and they weren’t willing to let anybody take that away from them.

[Woodleyclaret]

A great career beckons, if VK walks or is binned we could do worse than go for Rosenior

[Goliath]

Mee was signed by Howe and already had some experience even then going out on loan to Leicester.
Pope had to bide his time before he was picked and was behind one of the best keepers in our history.
Tarks had to do the same thing.
Collins had to do the same thing.

And when we did blood youngsters they were always surrounded by experienced and senior players under Dyche.

I am struggling to think of many teams in the EPL that have ever succeeded doing what we are this season. Even the famous United “can’t win anything with kids” team were surrounded by very experienced and quality players

Im neither agreeing or disagreeing. Just pointing out that the 2 players mentioned were probably bad examples because they developed with us and became good experienced pro's through their time with us.
Mee was possibly at the same level of experience as Beyer when he signed.

I think we have enough experience in the squad, we just dont use it enough. We have 4 players over 30 by my count plus Brownhill who has plenty of experience.

[Mixedkompany]

We might have some experienced players in Cork, JBG, Taylor, JRod and Browny, however, none of them were initial first choice picks.
They have been in and out of the team or not in at all. Also injured at times, Taylor being the current one.
They may be experienced but if they rarely play and know they are not deemed worthy for the long haul. I don’t think that’s an effective experienced spine to keep us up. Tarks and Mee became established and then ever present. Last seasons ever present spine was dropped and essentially replaced or injured.

[Big Vinny K]

Im neither agreeing or disagreeing. Just pointing out that the 2 players mentioned were probably bad examples because they developed with us and became good experienced pro's through their time with us.
Mee was possibly at the same level of experience as Beyer when he signed.

I think we have enough experience in the squad, we just dont use it enough. We have 4 players over 30 by my count plus Brownhill who has plenty of experience.

They may aswell be cleaning boots if you aren’t going to play them. It’s the leadership and experience on the pitch that is key.
The other obvious thing is that it’s not just about their experience - they also need to be good enough. No point in just playing experienced players if their legs have gone.

The major failing of VK is that he failed to sign any experienced and / or leaders on the pitch.
Ben Mee and Tarks both had the profile of leaders when they were young (look at their roles at their previous clubs).

[gtclaret]

I think it would take more than that now. Earlier in the season maybe,but we are a shambles all over the pitch ATM, nowhere near good enough in many areas,it would take more than two experience leaders to keep us up now

[warksclaret]

When Tarks and Mee left us I was confident that Tarks would continue to do well, and he is definitely showing this of late with some sterling performances. With Mee I thought he would be a great squad player at Brentford and do well when called on. However in the two seasons there he has been quite sensational. Immense defender and loved by their fans

[CoolClaret]

Pope arrived into an already strong dressing room of which Mee had become part.

& had a year and a bit on the bench! Not just thrusted in on day dot.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

A great career beckons, if VK walks or is binned we could do worse than go for Rosenior

Correct, he's doing a great job at Hull

[Goliath]

They may aswell be cleaning boots if you aren’t going to play them. It’s the leadership and experience on the pitch that is key.
The other obvious thing is that it’s not just about their experience - they also need to be good enough. No point in just playing experienced players if their legs have gone.

The major failing of VK is that he failed to sign any experienced and / or leaders on the pitch.
Ben Mee and Tarks both had the profile of leaders when they were young (look at their roles at their previous clubs).

O'shea is reaching his prime and had captained West Brom. Cullen had been a leader for VK at Anderlecht and at Burnley so he probably expected him to play a much bigger part. He brought in Berge who is 26 and has an absolute ton of experience at Premier league and International level along with Redmond, and had Townsend on trial as we know. He also tried to get Milner in who would have been an absolutely fantastic signing. So i dont think its fair to say he didnt target anyone with experience.

[aggi]

It isn't that simple though, especially with a young squad, new to this country, new to this league.
You build a team around experienced solid performers. Hence a strong spine down the middle.
We screwed up badly with hindsight, not keeping, or buying a couple of leaders on the pitch.
I suspect, although it's only an opinion, that AP and VK looked at experienced old pros, and couldn't see a sell on value. Where as their value isn’t in reselling, but in what they bring to the team and these young lads.

Hull have a pretty young team. Plenty of players in their early 20s, although a decent amount of experience in the squad.

[Big Vinny K]

O'shea is reaching his prime and had captained West Brom. Cullen had been a leader for VK at Anderlecht and at Burnley so he probably expected him to play a much bigger part. He brought in Berge who is 26 and has an absolute ton of experience at Premier league and International level along with Redmond, and had Townsend on trial as we know. He also tried to get Milner in who would have been an absolutely fantastic signing. So i dont think its fair to say he didnt target anyone with experience.

So you think the team that he selects most weeks has enough experience and leadership ?
He decided not to sign Townsend
I have no idea why he signed Redmond and did not play him and used him sparingly as sub.
Not really much chance of getting Milner or Dier given the teams we were up against.

There’s only one person who selects the team every week. He is the one choosing to have so little experience in his team every week.

[Goliath]

So you think the team that he selects most weeks has enough experience and leadership ?
He decided not to sign Townsend
I have no idea why he signed Redmond and did not play him and used him sparingly as sub.
Not really much chance of getting Milner or Dier given the teams we were up against.

There’s only one person who selects the team every week. He is the one choosing to have so little experience in his team every week.

Not what i said. Just that the idea that hasnt aigned exoerienced players isnt true. Cleary he hasnt used the squad correctly but in terms if age profiles of his targets, i dont think hes a million miles of.
Also remember that to sign an experienced Prem player thats still at that level is going to cost a fortune in wages. Ben Mee for example im guessing is on between 60k to 80k a week. If we look at it neutrally, hes a low end Premier League centre back with a lot of experience.

Also from a quick google the suggestion is Milners one of Brightons higher earners on about 60k a week. Imagine the criticism if we went down that route and then they didnt play because of injuries/fitness or whatever.

[Swizzlestick]

I think he maybe saw O'Shea as somebody who could provide some leadership - was captain at West Brom. I do think he should've signed Townsend, who while not necessarily a first team starter, always comes across as a good pro with bags of experience who would've been great in the dressing room. Without labouring a well discussed point, the goalkeeper situation has not been handled well.

[CoolClaret]

O'Shea was club captain at West Brom as mentioned and has definitely shown a bit more leadership on the field but at times this season - like on the fifth goal against Arsenal seems to 'give up' almost and switch off.

It's thing like that which aren't good enough from the squad. Fight to stop a capitulation.

Genuinely think Southampton under Hasenhüttl and the Sheff United squad are primes examples of this - once they both went a few goals down (Especially before halftime) they absolutely capitulate.

Hasenhüttl's lot notably worse - lost 9-0 twice I mean jeez - and they had some decent players.

Counter this with Luton - 2-0 down early on against United and yes, rode their luck at times but they stuck in the game and fought and nearly snatched a point in the end. That's the sort of spirit and resolve that we've really missed this year.

[Westleigh]

I watched Brentford last night ,apart from Ben Mee not a lot of experience ,but they knew how to battle and made City fight for the win.played quite direct but in Toni had the pace to worry City ,an easy tactical set up ,defend like mad and break quickly ,do we have a tactic apart from after an hour take a winger off and sub him with another winger?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Looking at Brentford’s team I’d guess most have well over 50 Premier League games under their belts.

[Vegas Claret]

I watched Brentford last night ,apart from Ben Mee not a lot of experience

Did you watch their Under 21's ?
The team that played against City is packed with experience, most of them have played hundreds of games

Toney 27
Wissa 27
Nørgaard 29
Onyeka 26
Reguilón 27
Jørgensen 33
Ajer 25
Mee 34

the rest are 24 and 25

[Colburn_Claret]

We signed a bunch of youngster who look at us like a stepping stone to something great. Just walking about the pitch, only playing now and again and not putting in much effort and the world will just be willing to drop everything for them.

What we had with Dyche was a team of players who knew it could be their one and only chance of playing at the top level and they weren’t willing to let anybody take that away from them.

That's a very simplistic, and unfair assessment of our youngsters. I'm sure they care as much as we do, but when the going gets tough we all rely on those around us.
Leaders aren't created, they're born with it in them. It's why imo, they are worth that bit extra and don't require a resale value. Lots of our youngsters would thrive in a stronger team.

[Sgt. Pepper]

We signed a bunch of youngster who look at us like a stepping stone to something great. Just walking about the pitch, only playing now and again and not putting in much effort and the world will just be willing to drop everything for them.

What we had with Dyche was a team of players who knew it could be their one and only chance of playing at the top level and they weren’t willing to let anybody take that away from them.

You're right about Dyche getting the most out many journeyman players. However, I'm not sure it's the current younger players fault that they've been put together as a team at the last minute, and seem to lack clear direction.
Kompany doesn't seem to have any idea who his best eleven is, or at times how he would like them to play.
Resilience and confidence are attributes that come with experience, and that is one thing we haven't really got a lot of. I'm not sure Kompany values it either, I mean he did everything could to not pick Charlie Taylor at the start of the season.
For all his achievements as a player this is new ground for Kompany, it will take a great deal for his reputation as a manager to recover.

[superdimitri]

Always thought his dad was one of the better pundits on the football league show but he was never too successful at management. Claridge was terrible.

[Enola Gay]

It's gonna be a bloody long season and a damned dull messageboard until the end of it if people are gonna drag up every comment like the OP's to beat our team with.

[Vegas Claret]

It is interesting we all say we don't have leaders. O'Shea captained WBA, Brownhill captained Bristol and it wouldn't surprise me if Berge did it the odd time at Sheff United. I think Cullen was captain at Anderlecht under Kompany too