VK won't say what he's done but season ending and suggested it might be most of the year.

Wouldn’t you think that mention of “suggested it might be most of the year” Kompany would actually come out with what it is.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:36 pm

VK won't say what he's done but season ending and suggested it might be most of the year.

So why the hell not put the fan's in the picture, personally I'm not as bothered as I may be of foster for instance, because I'm not a fan of Ramsey, done nothing and hardly been fit since coming through the door imo, whereas foster was also a subject of what's he's injury recently, I just don't get this secrecy on player's injuries, nobody expects vk to go into great detail because we put our own spin on it, but at least let us know the nature of he's injury, ie-: if it's acl we know roughly when to expect him back for instance.

That is awful for the kid.

I anticipated him becoming a big player for us next season. Nightmare.

What a dreadful signing this has turned into. Shame for him because id have expected him to play a big part in the Championship.
We've basically just spunked over 10 million down the drain

Awful news for him.

beddie wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:41 pm

Wouldn’t you think that mention of “suggested it might be most of the year” Kompany would actually come out with what it is.

Do you tell everyone your medical history?

VK is under no obligation to state what the issue is at this time and fans are not entitled to know what the issue is either

We know he’s injured and probably won’t be back till late this year.

Not sure I need to know anything more. Not really any odds to me if it’s a break, ligament damage or something else.

alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:46 pm

So why the hell not put the fan's in the picture, personally I'm not as bothered as I may be of foster for instance, because I'm not a fan of Ramsey, done nothing and hardly been fit since coming through the door imo, whereas foster was also a subject of what's he's injury recently, I just don't get this secrecy on player's injuries, nobody expects vk to go into great detail because we put our own spin on it, but at least let us know the nature of he's injury, ie-: if it's acl we know roughly when to expect him back for instance.

You say you want to know what he has done so you know when to expect him back, isn't best part of this year enough info ?

Maybe Kompany's initial thoughts are with the player rather than someone on the internet.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:59 pm

Do you tell everyone your medical history?

VK is under no obligation to state what the issue is at this time and fans are not entitled to know what the issue is either

I beg to differ , nobody’s asking for a players medical history in any shape or form ,just a very very basic synopsis of the serious injury would be more than adequate for the fans, etc and others who pay their wages . Eg eg ACL ,Achilles ect , nothing more or less needed .

I’ve no doubt VK is under orders but it smacks at disrespectful and plain ignorant to keep the entire fan base in the dark .

And the ref will still be laughing like he was after the event on Saturday. Disgraceful.

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:09 pm

I beg to differ , nobody’s asking for a players medical history in any shape or form ,just a very very basic synopsis of the serious injury would be more than adequate for the fans, etc and others who pay their wages . Eg eg ACL ,Achilles ect , nothing more or less needed .

I’ve no doubt VK is under orders but it smacks at disrespectful and plain ignorant to keep the entire fan base in the dark .

What a load of absolute codswallop.... He's got a serious injury, out for most of the year... What more do you need to know, what difference would it make if you knew what it was?

Poor guy must be regretting leaving Villa. Nothing gone right for him at Burnley and now this major set back in his young career.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:27 pm

What a load of absolute codswallop.... He's got a serious injury, out for most of the year... What more do you need to know, what difference would it make if you knew what it was?

It’s not at all.
We seem to be very much on our own as a club here with how we communicate our injuries.
What is the reason everything is such a mystery ?
It’s not player confidentiality or data protection as some people seem to defend the approach with - or else every other club would not report details of their injuries as they do.
Pep and Klopp etc give a detailed update on their injuries on at least a weekly basis.
The fans, press etc are not entitled to know this but they want to….and whilst there may be the exceptional case when you should not provide details for the vast majority of injuries I’m really struggling to see why we are being so guarded

Wokingclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:11 pm

And the ref will still be laughing like he was after the event on Saturday. Disgraceful.

Bet he (ref) feels a total prick now

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:43 pm

It’s not at all.
We seem to be very much on our own as a club here with how we communicate our injuries.
What is the reason everything is such a mystery ?
It’s not player confidentiality or data protection as some people seem to defend the approach with - or else every other club would not report details of their injuries as they do.
Pep and Klopp etc give a detailed update on their injuries on at least a weekly basis.
The fans, press etc are not entitled to know this but they want to….and whilst there may be the exceptional case when you should not provide details for the vast majority of injuries I’m really struggling to see why we are being so guarded

Could be an American thing. Very little info on sports injuries given over here except things like ‘lower body injury ‘This applies to all pro sports NFL NHL etc

gotta be something like an ACL

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:43 pm

It’s not at all.
We seem to be very much on our own as a club here with how we communicate our injuries.
What is the reason everything is such a mystery ?
It’s not player confidentiality or data protection as some people seem to defend the approach with - or else every other club would not report details of their injuries as they do.
Pep and Klopp etc give a detailed update on their injuries on at least a weekly basis.
The fans, press etc are not entitled to know this but they want to….and whilst there may be the exceptional case when you should not provide details for the vast majority of injuries I’m really struggling to see why we are being so guarded

He's got a serious knee injury, I really don't get what difference it makes if we don't know the exact nature of it.

Other clubs players might agree for details to be released, like Redmond did for us.

Jesus. Poor guy. Hope he recovers as quickly and fully as possible. Terrible for him and for the club.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:51 pm

He's got a serious knee injury, I really don't get what difference it makes if we don't know the exact nature of it.

Other clubs players might agree for details to be released, like Redmond did for us.

I’m talking about our approach generally - not specific individual cases.
We have very little idea from week to week what is happening with key players and first time we found out about many is an hour before kick off

The precise nature of the injury is, quite simply, none of our business. I find the obsession with being told the details of a player's injury, or illness, weird in all honesty. If the player or the club, or both, wish to remain silent on the exact injury then so be it.

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:09 pm

I beg to differ , nobody’s asking for a players medical history in any shape or form ,just a very very basic synopsis of the serious injury would be more than adequate for the fans, etc and others who pay their wages . Eg eg ACL ,Achilles ect , nothing more or less needed .

I’ve no doubt VK is under orders but it smacks at disrespectful and plain ignorant to keep the entire fan base in the dark .

We don’t “pay their wages” any more than we pay Bettys wages who works on the checkouts at Tesco

I wouldn’t expect to be told why she’s not sat at the till and when I can next expect to see her to scan my club card

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:56 pm

We don’t “pay their wages” any more than we pay Bettys wages who works on the checkouts at Tesco

I wouldn’t expect to be told why she’s not sat at the till and when I can next expect to see her to scan my club card

It seems though if you spend a few quid in Tesco then to some you are entitled to know exactly what is wrong with Betty.

Has a whiff of voyeurism about it.

a real shame for him, I suspect he would have played a big part for us next season (and might still do yet of course). Wish him a full recovery

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:56 pm

We don’t “pay their wages” any more than we pay Bettys wages who works on the checkouts at Tesco

I wouldn’t expect to be told why she’s not sat at the till and when I can next expect to see her to scan my club card

I’m with you on this one, I’m not sure I’ll suddenly sleep better at night providing I know the details of an injury. He’s out for up to 9 months. That’s all I need to know

Cheshireclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:56 pm

The precise nature of the injury is, quite simply, none of our business. I find the obsession with being told the details of a player's injury, or illness, weird in all honesty. If the player or the club, or both, wish to remain silent on the exact injury then so be it.

Why would you use a word like obsession ?
This board only seems to deal in extremes this day.

I think a lot of fans would just like to be kept a bit more informed as to when key players are due back or how they are progressing. That hardly means they want sight of their medical records or be in the room when surgery is happening

Real shame for him. He's not had much luck this season. Hopefully he recovers well and comes back stronger next season.

If we were holding our own, hardly anyone would be taking issue with this. VK can't even open his gob without people jumping down his throat. It's now got to the stage where some people are deeply embarrassing themselves on a daily basis.

Wishing Ramsey all the best and a speedy recovery.

Hooe he gets fully fit, there's definitely a good footballer in there somewhere.

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:05 pm

We know he’s injured and probably won’t be back till late this year.

Not sure I need to know anything more. Not really any odds to me if it’s a break, ligament damage or something else.

Agree with that but for shorter term things it doesn’t help with how evasive he is now and we do seem unique at it. I get asked by young family members about whether we will see certain players in the next game and I have to admit I don’t have a clue, makes it hard to persuade them to come on.

The question on Tresor’s absence had him squirming and coming out with gibberish really, he has had a few things going on, a bug being one, etc. Many of his answers (not just this one) posed more questions because I left that feed with the sense that something has happened with Tresor and if it hasn’t that is VK’s fault for being evasive.

What doesn’t help is journos sounding terrified and giving him slow deliveries. One young reporter asked about the Championship players not getting a chance, got an answer that came close to saying “I didn’t feel they were good enough, we bought them for that one job last year alone”, but the reporter didn’t follow up the question and moved onto a lame question about Beyer. That was the time to use his final question to pin him down and say “that was your opinion but 1 win in 23 against last year’s Premier League teams suggests that choice to change everything hasn’t worked”. I do feel that isn’t a single person holding VK to account and it doesn’t help his performance, same with any of us.

Finally, most importantly, best wishes to Aaron

This season really is going down the toilet at an alarming rate atm!!

Cheshireclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:56 pm

The precise nature of the injury is, quite simply, none of our business. I find the obsession with being told the details of a player's injury, or illness, weird in all honesty. If the player or the club, or both, wish to remain silent on the exact injury then so be it.

I get that.
I'm not fussed about the injuries at all. Doesn't bother me. It's a knee injury they take time. I don't need to know much

From a lack a info point of view then its a little strange. It can't be secrecy to affect sell on fees because any medical will show up any surgery etc. I don't know why it's not communicated now.
There is plenty of comms when we sign a new player. That's because the general fan base is interested in the new signings and who we have in the squad. It also matters to then general fan base about the same players they watch each week and their form, ability , strengths and weaknesses and some like to know injuries.

The keeping stum, is akin to dyche half covering his hob when asking woan what the score is.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:37 pm

Agree with that but for shorter term things it doesn’t help with how evasive he is now and we do seem unique at it. I get asked by young family members about whether we will see certain players in the next game and I have to admit I don’t have a clue, makes it hard to persuade them to come on.

The question on Tresor’s absence had him squirming and coming out with gibberish really, he has had a few things going on, a bug being one, etc. Many of his answers (not just this one) posed more questions because I left that feed with the sense that something has happened with Tresor and if it hasn’t that is VK’s fault for being evasive.

What doesn’t help is journos sounding terrified and giving him slow deliveries. One young reporter asked about the Championship players not getting a chance, got an answer that came close to saying “I didn’t feel they were good enough, we bought them for that one job last year alone”, but the reporter didn’t follow up the question and moved onto a lame question about Beyer. That was the time to use his final question to pin him down and say “that was your opinion but 1 win in 23 against last year’s Premier League teams suggests that choice to change everything hasn’t worked”. I do feel that isn’t a single person holding VK to account and it doesn’t help his performance, same with any of us.

Finally, most importantly, best wishes to Aaron

Hi Crosspool, I've just listened to Vincent Kompany's presser. Funny how we can hear what Vincent Kompany says and arrive at different conclusions. I've no problem with Vincent Kompany looking to further build the team to compete in the Premier League after having previously assembled a team last season for the Championship. I'd imagine Vincent Kompany's response to your journalist's question, "that was your opinion..." would be something along the lines of "yes, that's my job..."

I'm looking forward to Selhurst Park on Saturday.

UTC

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:43 pm

It’s not at all.
We seem to be very much on our own as a club here with how we communicate our injuries.
What is the reason everything is such a mystery ?
It’s not player confidentiality or data protection as some people seem to defend the approach with - or else every other club would not report details of their injuries as they do.
Pep and Klopp etc give a detailed update on their injuries on at least a weekly basis.
The fans, press etc are not entitled to know this but they want to….and whilst there may be the exceptional case when you should not provide details for the vast majority of injuries I’m really struggling to see why we are being so guarded

It’s data protection.

Other clubs may release details as their players may give permission on an individual basis, or much more likely it is written into their contracts that the club can disclose details within certain parameters. Obviously there is much more global interest and media speculation at the bigger clubs and with the bigger players so this will come with the territory.

The Club have no obligation whatsoever to disclose personal information to the public. I don't ever recall seeing a list of colleagues who were off sick and what condition they were in during my working life.

It IS an obsession with some fans to believe they are entitled to know everything going on within the Club.

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:48 pm

Could be an American thing. Very little info on sports injuries given over here except things like ‘lower body injury ‘This applies to all pro sports NFL NHL etc

The NFL literally have the best reporting of injuries in world sport.

Each team gives a mandatory practice report - if players participated or not and why the trained or not, with a detailed breakdown of injuries etc.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:59 pm

Do you tell everyone your medical history?

VK is under no obligation to state what the issue is at this time and fans are not entitled to know what the issue is either

Exactly this. The obsession of the fan base to have access to players in the first team and academy, private medical information is just strange.

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:43 pm

It’s not at all.
We seem to be very much on our own as a club here with how we communicate our injuries.
What is the reason everything is such a mystery ?
It’s not player confidentiality or data protection as some people seem to defend the approach with - or else every other club would not report details of their injuries as they do.
Pep and Klopp etc give a detailed update on their injuries on at least a weekly basis.
The fans, press etc are not entitled to know this but they want to….and whilst there may be the exceptional case when you should not provide details for the vast majority of injuries I’m really struggling to see why we are being so guarded

What’s your argument FOR the information to be released?

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:09 pm

I beg to differ , nobody’s asking for a players medical history in any shape or form ,just a very very basic synopsis of the serious injury would be more than adequate for the fans, etc and others who pay their wages . Eg eg ACL ,Achilles ect , nothing more or less needed .

I’ve no doubt VK is under orders but it smacks at disrespectful and plain ignorant to keep the entire fan base in the dark .

It’s a legal issue as well as a moral one - it is legally thin ice for an employer to disclose an employees personal details (anything from an address to their medical health) without that employees permission. GDPR if you want to read some very boring legal stuff.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:27 pm

What a load of absolute codswallop.... He's got a serious injury, out for most of the year... What more do you need to know, what difference would it make if you knew what it was?

It’s just that most clubs offer such updates

Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:09 pm

If we were holding our own, hardly anyone would be taking issue with this. VK can't even open his gob without people jumping down his throat. It's now got to the stage where some people are deeply embarrassing themselves on a daily basis.

Wishing Ramsey all the best and a speedy recovery.

It started under Dyche too, not sure what changed. I think it must be an ALK thing unless some new data protection rules were introduced.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:07 pm

It started under Dyche too, not sure what changed. I think it must be an ALK thing unless some new data protection rules were introduced.

Yes, GDPR. A legal minefield

hetheclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:07 pm

Yes, GDPR. A legal minefield

I think you are getting confused between GDPR (which is a legal minefield) & patient confidentiality. If he was to go into some great detail about a player’s medical situation then he could breach the latter. But telling the media what kind of injury he has suffered is not a problem.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:10 pm

I think you are getting confused between GDPR (which is a legal minefield) & patient confidentiality. If he was to go into some great detail about a player’s medical situation then he could breach the latter. But telling the media what kind of injury he has suffered is not a problem.

His medical situation is the kind of injury he has suffered, regardless of detail.

Anyway, whether it’s legally OK or not, I agree with posters who don’t understand why fans feel they have to know everything. He’s injured, for a long time, and I don’t need to know what it is.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:19 pm

It’s data protection.

Other clubs may release details as their players may give permission on an individual basis, or much more likely it is written into their contracts that the club can disclose details within certain parameters. Obviously there is much more global interest and media speculation at the bigger clubs and with the bigger players so this will come with the territory.

I do not think it is data protection.
If it was I do not think there would have been so much inconsistency in the reporting of injuries or illnesses across not only different clubs but also the inconsistency across how we have reported injuries at Burnley….and even inconsistencies for injuries on the same player.

I think in some cases there is a good reason to not discuss the details of a players injury - and that could be from a players or the clubs point of view (or both). Don’t have an issue with this whatsoever.

I don’t especially have an issue with our approach now - but I would prefer to have an update on our individual players to have an idea of whether it’s short, medium or long term and also the odd update as to how they are progressing with key milestones like “back in the gym”, “back on the grass”, etc.

I don’t think it’s that relevant whether we are a massive club or not…..whatever the size of your club there is a good proportion of supporters who would like to have an idea of who is available to play or when they might be. That’s always been the case for as long as I have ever followed football - and it’s the same in the amateur game too.
I have seen contracts (recently)for semi pro football and not seen any reference to what you are inferring around data protection yet the coaches and managers are doing interviews on Twitter giving specific details on injuries of players.

Good luck to him for his recovery. Not had a good season by any stretch of the imagination but I sincerely hope he listens to advice from the experts around him and gets back to playing as soon as possible.

Cooclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:49 pm

What’s your argument FOR the information to be released?

Think “argument” is a bit strong but personally I’d like to know which players are available or when they are likely to be available.
I‘m not interested in the detailed specifics of an injury but the seriousness of it and how long they are likely to be out is important.
How much debate has there been about team selection this season on this board ?
If a player is not being selected due to injury or not being fully fit then surely that’s if interest to the same people who seem to be a lot more bothered than I am about team selection !!

If fans were not interested in this kind of thing why would the likes of Klopp, Pep be giving so many updates on the injury situation in their press conferences ? Why would their fans be anymore interested than our fans ?

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:47 pm

If fans were not interested in this kind of thing why would the likes of Klopp, Pep be giving so many updates on the injury situation in their press conferences ? Why would their fans be anymore interested than our fans ?

How do you know that the fans are any more, or less, interested than ours are?

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:38 pm

I do not think it is data protection.
If it was I do not think there would have been so much inconsistency in the reporting of injuries or illnesses across not only different clubs but also the inconsistency across how we have reported injuries at Burnley….and even inconsistencies for injuries on the same player.

I think in some cases there is a good reason to not discuss the details of a players injury - and that could be from a players or the clubs point of view (or both). Don’t have an issue with this whatsoever.

I don’t especially have an issue with our approach now - but I would prefer to have an update on our individual players to have an idea of whether it’s short, medium or long term and also the odd update as to how they are progressing with key milestones like “back in the gym”, “back on the grass”, etc.

I don’t think it’s that relevant whether we are a massive club or not…..whatever the size of your club there is a good proportion of supporters who would like to have an idea of who is available to play or when they might be. That’s always been the case for as long as I have ever followed football - and it’s the same in the amateur game too.
I have seen contracts (recently)for semi pro football and not seen any reference to what you are inferring around data protection yet the coaches and managers are doing interviews on Twitter giving specific details on injuries of players.

If you don’t think it’s data protection then what do you think it is?

And in terms of semi pro contracts, I wouldn’t expect them to stipulate anything with regards to clubs disclosing player injuries because players are protected by GDPR.