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Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:56 pm
by bumba
With all the debate around the points deduction for Everton and some people saying it's right and some saying it's wrong, then I read the Ashley Westwood article about how draining it is fighting relegation constantly it's made me wonder how we could make the league more competitive and interesting.
I know the league can't impose a player salary cap but what about a club salary cap? So the clubs can pay each player whatever wage they like but as a club they can't spend more than X amount on wages and a percentage of that has to go to youth teams to avoid clubs scrapping them?
Add in X amount clubs can spend per window would it not make the clubs run financially better whilst levelling the playing field a bit more?
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:15 pm
by Chester Perry
bumba wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:56 pm
With all the debate around the points deduction for Everton and some people saying it's right and some saying it's wrong, then I read the Ashley Westwood article about how draining it is fighting relegation constantly it's made me wonder how we could make the league more competitive and interesting.
I know the league can't impose a player salary cap but what about a club salary cap? So the clubs can pay each player whatever wage they like but as a club they can't spend more than X amount on wages and a percentage of that has to go to youth teams to avoid clubs scrapping them?
Add in X amount clubs can spend per window would it not make the clubs run financially better whilst levelling the playing field a bit more?
The next set of likely FFP rules will be a soft salary cap as salaries form part of the overall squad cost ratio equation. The problem with it is that the cap ratio is based on revenue and will allow for a level of loss in the accounts
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:20 pm
by Goliath
Its more even now than its been for a while. Basically every team spends big money and even lower teams can sign players that theyd wouldnt have dreamed of until a few years ago.
Im not sure its made it any more entertaining though.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:57 pm
by bumba
Chester Perry wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:15 pm
The next set of likely FFP rules will be a soft salary cap as salaries form part of the overall squad cost ratio equation. The problem with it is that the cap ratio is based on revenue and will allow for a level of loss in the accounts
Basing it on revenue still doesn't make it more even though, it's not enjoyable for fans anymore unless your in the top 8.
Why not say no club can spend more than £80 million on transfers and a club salary of no more than £40 million?
Clubs would be more sustainable and players wouldn't move just for more money.
Another interesting option would be to merge the premier league and championship together but in one north and one south?
Play offs at the end similar to the MLS.
It'd then make both cups more appealing too.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:20 pm
by KRBFC
Remove VAR
Drastically decrease ticket prices and drastically expand stadium capacities.
I genuinely wonder how many fans would turn up to Old Trafford if tickets were £15 an adult, £5 a child and Man United were doing well. 100,000+? (This is hypothetical, I’m aware OT has a capacity of approx 75k atm)
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:21 pm
by KRBFC
Standing allowed
Beer at your seat
I’m jealous of the German Bundesliga, blows our soulless stadiums out of the water. Flags waving and chanting regardless of the result.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:30 pm
by bumba
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:21 pm
Standing allowed
Beer at your seat
I’m jealous of the German Bundesliga, blows our soulless stadiums out of the water. Flags waving and chanting regardless of the result.
Ligue 1 is the same, very good atmosphere fans in their seats 2 hours before kick off singing regardless.
None of this stuff makes it more even though playing wise
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:07 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
La Liga has budget caps, manages no issue
When it’s suggested here fans kick and scream about how unfair it is and their rich owners should be allowed to spaff money as they see fit
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:13 pm
by Roosterbooster
I'm all for a salary/budget cap. Used in rugby league domestically, and F1 globally
But it would need to be an agreement between clubs I imagine
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:21 pm
by RickyBobby
How “good” the premier league is isn’t based on the league at all. The premier league is ranked on how well it’s clubs do in Europe. A salary cap in any form means english clubs will lose out to European clubs and will do worse in Europe, thus the premier league will be ranked “worse” and viewers in the far east will go down if the big players aren’t in it.
Therefore it isn’t going to happen unless it is a European wide thing. But uefa won’t do that as the big players who bring in tv viewers will just move to other continents to be paid more “worsening” the champions league. Uefa is in competition with other confederations just like how the premier league is in competition with other European leagues.
A salary cap in any form is not going to happen. There is too much money involved for that
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:25 pm
by Vegas Claret
bumba wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:56 pm
With all the debate around the points deduction for Everton and some people saying it's right and some saying it's wrong, then I read the Ashley Westwood article about how draining it is fighting relegation constantly it's made me wonder how we could make the league more competitive and interesting.
I know the league can't impose a player salary cap but what about a club salary cap? So the clubs can pay each player whatever wage they like but as a club they can't spend more than X amount on wages and a percentage of that has to go to youth teams to avoid clubs scrapping them?
Add in X amount clubs can spend per window would it not make the clubs run financially better whilst levelling the playing field a bit more?
Do you have a link to the Westwood article please ?
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:28 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Ban oil rich states from owning clubs and hyper inflating transfer prices.... oh ****!
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:35 pm
by equinox
Something similar to Horse Racing where players are made to play with lead weights in rucksacks on their backs.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:55 pm
by claret2018
The only realistic solution would be the formation a a European super league, so the oil clubs and the rich owners could leave the rest to it.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:05 pm
by bobinho
Let’s not forget, the last thing the PL and the bigger clubs in it want is a level playing field.
We might want it to be a fair contest, but they don’t.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:12 pm
by timshorts
Parity is one of the key features that makes a league competitive and watchable. Yet by doing their best to claim a bigger piece of sky money at the expense of the lower ranked clubs, they can't work out that long term they are shooting themselves in the foot.
You would think that the glazers would be aware of that given their long ownership of tampa bay buccs, but I guess they are all after short term gain. Here's hoping that they try and short change baker Mayfield and he tells them to screw it and defects to atlanta or pittsburgh
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:18 pm
by Poulton-le-Claret
Super league to remove the elite from the circle of regular teams and then fan ownership (51% minimum) for the teams that are left.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:07 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
RickyBobby wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:21 pm
How “good” the premier league is isn’t based on the league at all. The premier league is ranked on how well it’s clubs do in Europe. A salary cap in any form means english clubs will lose out to European clubs and will do worse in Europe, thus the premier league will be ranked “worse” and viewers in the far east will go down if the big players aren’t in it.
Therefore it isn’t going to happen unless it is a European wide thing. But uefa won’t do that as the big players who bring in tv viewers will just move to other continents to be paid more “worsening” the champions league. Uefa is in competition with other confederations just like how the premier league is in competition with other European leagues.
A salary cap in any form is not going to happen. There is too much money involved for that
La Liga has a salary/budget cap
Real Madrid do well in Europe
They’re also widely regarded as the biggest club in world football
English football is known for overpaying average players
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:16 pm
by bumba
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:25 pm
Do you have a link to the Westwood article please ?
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/s ... rlotte-fc/
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:19 pm
by taio
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:07 pm
La Liga has a salary/budget cap
Real Madrid do well in Europe
They’re also widely regarded as the biggest club in world football
English football is known for overpaying average players
Real Madrid's salary cap exceeds €700m.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:20 pm
by Vegas Claret
thanks Bumba appreciate it
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:56 pm
by forzagranata
One of the things I really like about MLS is that in the vast majority of the games, there is little to choose between the teams before kick off. The bottom team from last season drew at the top team on Sunday and it wasn't a huge shock. Its nice not having games where one team is 90% expected to beat the other.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:13 pm
by bumba
Imagine two leagues of 22:
North;
Man City
Man Utd
Everton
Burnley
PNE
Liverpool
Blackburn
Newcastle
Sunderland
Middlesbrough
Hull
Leeds
Sheffield United
Sheff weds
Aston Villa
Wolves
West Brom
Birmingham
Stoke
Rotherham
Huddersfield
Notts Forest
South;
West Ham
Arsenal
Chelsea
Spurs
Southampton
Swansea
Cardiff
Watford
Ipswich
Norwich
Plymouth
Leicester
Bristol City
Brighton
Bournemouth
Luton
Fulham
Crystal Palace
Brentford
Coventry
Millwall
QPR
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:28 pm
by bfc8
Perhaps one day the PL will be expanded a bit from 20 up by letting others apply to enter. And the divisions a bit like the nfl with play-offs and a superbowl type PL final, keeps more clubs in contention for longer and no relegation. Could go to say 36 teams which I think the nfl number.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:00 am
by RammyClaret61
bfc8 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:28 pm
Perhaps one day the PL will be expanded a bit from 20 up by letting others apply to enter. And the divisions a bit like the nfl with play-offs and a superbowl type PL final, keeps more clubs in contention for longer and no relegation. Could go to say 36 teams which I think the nfl number.
God forbid NO!
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:55 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
taio wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:19 pm
Real Madrid's salary cap exceeds €700m.
Yup, based on turnover etc
Barcas is a lot less and they’ll have work to do this summer
The point is, they’ve got one and they get on with it whilst English fans whinge at the very thought of it
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:56 am
by bfc8
Not entirely serious but with all the US owners who knows...
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:04 am
by timshorts
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:55 am
Yup, based on turnover etc
Barcas is a lot less and they’ll have work to do this summer
The point is, they’ve got one and they get on with it whilst English fans whinge at the very thought of it
Well yes, they've got one, but as it is miles bigger than most of their opponents, their league is rigged in their favour. Quello surpriso.
And they win the league most years and it is boring as ****, particularly when you throw in their world-beating play acting. Multa Quello surpriso.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:53 am
by taio
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:55 am
Yup, based on turnover etc
Barcas is a lot less and they’ll have work to do this summer
The point is, they’ve got one and they get on with it whilst English fans whinge at the very thought of it
Yup, and you specifically referred to Real Madrid whose salary cap is enormous and substantially above what the biggest spending clubs across Europe actually spend. So there would be no reason for them to whinge.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:30 pm
by Roosterbooster
bfc8 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:28 pm
Perhaps one day the PL will be expanded a bit from 20 up by letting others apply to enter. And the divisions a bit like the nfl with play-offs and a superbowl type PL final, keeps more clubs in contention for longer and no relegation. Could go to say 36 teams which I think the nfl number.
Is this a wind-up?
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:38 pm
by Roosterbooster
bumba wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:13 pm
Imagine two leagues of 22
I've often thought you could have 2 PLs
Either PL1 with 14-16 teams (assuming they play more games elsewhere with internationals, longer Cup runs, Europe etc) and PL2 with 18-20 teams. Then split the remaining leagues with whats left (possibly including NL, and maybe NL N&S).
I do think a 22 team top division would be too many games in an already packed schedule. And I'm not sure splitting the top league into N/S works, unless you also do that consitently down the pyramid. Although I do prefer having more local games to go to, so I'm not massively against it.
I'd like to see a Playoff for PL1/2 promotion/relegation. Maybe bottom2/top2 automatic. And 3rd bottom/3rd in a 2 leg playoff
And split the money much more evenly
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:44 pm
by Wokingclaret
Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:38 pm
I've often thought you could have 2 PLs
Either PL1 with 14-16 teams (assuming they play more games elsewhere with internationals, longer Cup runs, Europe etc) and PL2 with 18-20 teams. Then split the remaining leagues with whats left (possibly including NL, and maybe NL N&S).
I do think a 22 team top division would be too many games in an already packed schedule. And I'm not sure splitting the top league into N/S works, unless you also do that consitently down the pyramid. Although I do prefer having more local games to go to, so I'm not massively against it.
I'd like to see a Playoff for PL1/2 promotion/relegation. Maybe bottom2/top2 automatic. And 3rd bottom/3rd in a 2 leg playoff
And split the money much more evenly
Lets have more teams in the lower leagues
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:44 pm
by Roosterbooster
Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:44 pm
Lets have more teams in the lower leagues
What's the issue here?
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:55 pm
by Carlos the Great
When teams scream it’s unfair they usually want it changing so it benefits them ,, it’s the teams in the lower leagues that should be complaining more about distribution of money ,,
When people in this country moan about rich people and how it’s not fair ,, I say ok let’s redistribute the wealth ,, they seem pleased till I say let’s start with every poor country that can’t afford to eat … suddenly they don’t want to redistribute wealth anymore ??
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:05 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
The sooner they charge Man City the better off every other team will be and they can all fall into line rule wise.
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:36 pm
by Carlos the Great
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:05 pm
The sooner they charge Man City the better off every other team will be and they can all fall into line rule wise.
If it’s not Blackburn … itvs Chelsea and now it’s Man City ..
Re: Making the league more even
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:28 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Carlos the Great wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:36 pm
If it’s not Blackburn … itvs Chelsea and now it’s Man City ..
Its about time Pep and his infinite bank balance at City were brought down into the realms of reality. This level of financial doping they have now just makes other competition from most teams meaningless. At least bastards had a limit to their doping when Jacks wealth ran out.