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No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:23 pm
by jojomk1
Kompany: I want winning fist-pumps with fans again
Vincent Kompany is sick of leaving Burnley’s fans nothing to celebrate and is desperate to reward them with a victory fist pump this weekend.
The Clarets boss made a habit of sharing the afterglow of another three points with supporters during last year’s promotion campaign but has found little cause for cheer since returning to the Premier League.
His side have just three wins from 26 games, the last of those coming on December 23, and are rooted in 19th place with the prospect of relegation looming.
“We’re all in it with our passions and emotions. We take a real punch to the guts when we lose and it hurts – just like the fans do,” he said.
“You go to fans when it’s going well and you give them the first pump, then when it’s going badly all of a sudden what are you going to do – run inside?
“The question was asked after the last game ‘did you go and apologise?’. No, no way. If you work hard in your job from morning to evening, with everything you’ve got to give, you don’t go and apologise.
“Being respectful? 100 per cent. Being together? Yes. I’m just believing the good times are coming again.
“I would love nothing more than to go back to fans and do the fist pumps again, that’s how I visualise Sunday. We’ve got to be able to imagine ourselves winning these kind of games…you have to have that ambition.”
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:43 pm
by NewClaret
Fair point by Kompany. I agree with him.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:47 pm
by CoolClaret
Come on Vinnie - lets have a:
- Result
- Performance
- Teamsheet
!!!!
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:18 pm
by StayingDown4Ever
I expect we’ll be seeing him slink off with hands in pockets and head bowed at the final whistle.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:59 pm
by evensteadiereddie
It'll be the first time if he does.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:10 pm
by Aclaret
jojomk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:23 pm
Kompany: I want winning fist-pumps with fans again
Vincent Kompany is sick of leaving Burnley’s fans nothing to celebrate and is desperate to reward them with a victory fist pump this weekend.
Not half as sick as us Vincent.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:24 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Dead easy Vinny , stop playing total duds every game and expecting a different result.
Hows about showing some loyalty to the players that actually got you in this league, just a thought.....
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:40 pm
by nettiepicot92
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:24 pm
Dead easy Vinny , stop playing total duds every game and expecting a different result.
Hows about showing some loyalty to the players that actually got you in this league, just a thought.....
You must be a version of Football Manager behind me. You should try the 2024 version.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:48 pm
by Jakubclaret
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:24 pm
Dead easy Vinny , stop playing total duds every game and expecting a different result.
Hows about showing some loyalty to the players that actually got you in this league, just a thought.....
I agree wholeheartedly you could understand it more if the ideology & methods maintained were actually encouraging decent performances or results but it's not. Anybody with half a brain would stop & take stock & realise something isn't working I need to change the things & do things differently.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:50 pm
by nettiepicot92
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:48 pm
I agree wholeheartedly you could understand it more if the ideology & methods maintained were actually encouraging decent performances or results but it's not. Anybody with half a brain would stop & take stock & realise something isn't working I need to change the things & do things differently.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:57 pm
by Vim Fuego
Play Muric Vinny
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:01 pm
by blatherwickstattoos
Play players that a fit to wear the shirt and we will happily share fist pumps again. Even if we lose and have a go I’ll clap you off. But these things just aren’t happening
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:05 pm
by Stantheman
Drop Trafford and we might have a chance
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:33 pm
by boatshed bill
Stantheman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:05 pm
Drop Trafford and we might have a chance
But what if VK is right all along, and Muric has a terrible game resulting in us getting battered again?
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:35 pm
by Vim Fuego
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:33 pm
But what if VK is right all along, and Muric has a terrible game resulting in us getting battered again?
Then we will not lose anything - right?
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:40 pm
by Jamesy
Bloke is seriously deluded.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:45 pm
by ElectroClaret
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:33 pm
But what if VK is right all along, and Muric has a terrible game resulting in us getting battered again?
If he was "right all along" , then we'd be at least a little further up the division.
Rather than being garbage.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:45 pm
by nettiepicot92
Jamesy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:40 pm
Bloke is seriously deluded.
You are the deluded one. Had he failed to get us promoted but we were now 2nd in the Championship, you'd be all over him.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:52 pm
by StayingDown4Ever
nettiepicot92 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:45 pm
You are the deluded one. Had he failed to get us promoted but we were now 2nd in the Championship, you'd be all over him.
He’s serving us up trash every single week.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:53 pm
by nettiepicot92
StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:52 pm
He’s serving us up trash every single week.
That in no way argues my previous post. So thank you for agreeing.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:55 pm
by mickleoverclaret
nettiepicot92 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:45 pm
You are the deluded one. Had he failed to get us promoted but we were now 2nd in the Championship, you'd be all over him.
"Yes, we're losing every week, but you're deluded if you failed to consider this scenario I made up in my head."
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:01 pm
by CoolClaret
VK honestly looked like a different man in his presser today than the breathe of fresh air that we had last year, summer and even the sort of first third of the season.
Looked really dejected.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:04 pm
by Vim Fuego
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:01 pm
VK honestly looked like a different man in his presser today than the breathe of fresh air that we had last year, summer and even the sort of first third of the season.
Looked really dejected.
Haggard. Tired. Grinding it out. Resigned to his fate. Repeating the same old stuff.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:04 pm
by taio
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:01 pm
VK honestly looked like a different man in his presser today than the breathe of fresh air that we had last year, summer and even the sort of first third of the season.
Looked really dejected.
Haven't seen it be unsurprising and understandable
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:07 pm
by CoolClaret
taio wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:04 pm
Haven't seen it be unsurprising and understandable
full presser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBEiiYh7aRE&t=147s
short clip:
https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/17 ... 07943?s=20
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:12 pm
by taio
Cheers. Only watched the short clip - might watch the full version later - and I wouldn't describe him as dejected, but acknowledge the tone may be different in the full recording.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:32 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
I thought of this when i read the thread title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSM3w1v-A_Y
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:46 pm
by Stantheman
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:33 pm
But what if VK is right all along, and Muric has a terrible game resulting in us getting battered again?
I fail to see how he in anyway right I know Trafford has not been helped by our poor defence but how many goals has he been responsible for with his diabolical passes and not commanding his 6 yard box?
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:15 pm
by evensteadiereddie
Vim Fuego wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:04 pm
Haggard. Tired. Grinding it out. Resigned to his fate. Repeating the same old stuff.
And you're loving it.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:24 pm
by Bullabill
It's about time to forget all this psychological claptrap and start talking football. What did we learn from this 20 min. stream of words that pointed to our chances in the match on Sunday? Mind you, the poor questions from the so-called journalists just allow VK to ramble on with his intangibles. So many words, so little said.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:30 pm
by boatshed bill
Stantheman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:46 pm
I fail to see how he in anyway right I know Trafford has not been helped by our poor defence but how many goals has he been responsible for with his diabolical passes and not commanding his 6 yard box?
Several posters, you included, seem to fail to understand the distinct possibility that Trafford is actually better than Muric.
I accept that Trafford isn't up to the level we may expect for a PL goalkeeper, but can anyone honestly say that Muric is better?
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:35 pm
by CoolClaret
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:30 pm
Several posters, you included, seem to fail to understand the distinct possibility that Trafford is actually better than Muric.
I accept that Trafford isn't up to the level we may expect for a PL goalkeeper, but can anyone honestly say that Muric is better?
Resounding yes.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:39 pm
by boatshed bill
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:35 pm
Resounding yes.
That's easy to say when there's absolutely nothing to back it up.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:41 pm
by CoolClaret
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:39 pm
That's easy to say when there's absolutely nothing to back it up.
The evidence is every game this season
Tell me how many keepers in world football can do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5omj4Ply38&t=160s
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:43 pm
by boatshed bill
I have no idea how many can, but it's clearly not being seen as a major factor in selection.
Still, for the record, I am a massive Muric fan. I just think he's not ticking the relevant boxes.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:46 pm
by CoolClaret
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:43 pm
I have no idea how many can, but it's clearly not being seen as a major factor in selection.
Still, for the record, I am a massive Muric fan. I just think he's not ticking the relevant boxes.
& our league position indicates and god-awful style of play suggests that it probably should be.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:49 pm
by boatshed bill
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:46 pm
& our league position indicates and god-awful style of play suggests that it probably should be.
You are entitled to this opinion. I'm not sure a goalkeepers ability to pass a football defines success at PL level.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:52 pm
by CoolClaret
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:49 pm
You are entitled to this opinion. I'm not sure a goalkeepers ability to pass a football defines success at PL level.
It does in a team that's meant to play out from the back - that's the whole point.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:53 pm
by bumba
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:43 pm
I have no idea how many can, but it's clearly not being seen as a major factor in selection.
Still, for the record, I am a massive Muric fan. I just think he's not ticking the relevant boxes.
Which boxes has Trafford ticked this season?
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:38 am
by StayingDown4Ever
bumba wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:53 pm
Which boxes has Trafford ticked this season?
Cowardly on crosses
Awful distribution
Doesn’t organise his defence
Weak as a kitten
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:54 am
by bumba
StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:38 am
Cowardly on crosses
Awful distribution
Doesn’t organise his defence
Weak as a kitten
He has amazing shot stopping ability though proven by only conceding 58 league goals
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:08 am
by StayingDown4Ever
bumba wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:54 am
He has amazing shot stopping ability though proven by only conceding 58 league goals
And only been lobbed twice (thrice if you count the friendly where he got humiliated from the half way line).
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:13 am
by alwaysaclaret
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:18 am
by alwaysaclaret
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:43 pm
I have no idea how many can, but it's clearly not being seen as a major factor in selection.
Still, for the record, I am a massive Muric fan. I just think he's not ticking the relevant boxes.
There's no better box to tick than vk saw with he's own eye's from around 10 games into last season, I'm not sure he could tick any other box to be any more convincing, he's clearly got to have upset vk in some way.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:22 am
by alwaysaclaret
bumba wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:53 pm
Which boxes has Trafford ticked this season?
Plenty, but there all major factors of why he shouldn't be playing every week.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:23 am
by Stantheman
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:30 pm
Several posters, you included, seem to fail to understand the distinct possibility that Trafford is actually better than Muric.
I accept that Trafford isn't up to the level we may expect for a PL goalkeeper, but can anyone honestly say that Muric is better?
The distinct reality on what we have all seen this season is muric is a better goalkeeper than Trafford
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:41 pm
by Benson
Stantheman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:23 am
The distinct reality on what we have all seen this season is muric is a better goalkeeper than Trafford
Stantheman
Re: Muric
Post Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:20 pm
Muric will be a liability in the prem.in the championship we dominate possession and the opposition have limited chances.in the prem it will be totally different and his actual goalkeeping defensive abilities will be tested far more and unfortunately he falls a lot short in that important department.we need somebody with his undoubted passing ability to continue the way we play and to have more physical presence in his area.it won't be cheap to find but vk needs to priotise this in summer to continue to play we do
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:15 pm
by Stantheman
Benson wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:41 pm
Stantheman
Re: Muric
Post Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:20 pm
Muric will be a liability in the prem.in the championship we dominate possession and the opposition have limited chances.in the prem it will be totally different and his actual goalkeeping defensive abilities will be tested far more and unfortunately he falls a lot short in that important department.we need somebody with his undoubted passing ability to continue the way we play and to have more physical presence in his area.it won't be cheap to find but vk needs to priotise this in summer to continue to play we do
I'm not saying muric is the answer but he's all we have he's probably not good enough for prem but he's better than Trafford without a doubt.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:29 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
I suspect the logical conclusion is that we can shuffle all our players in any order and they will still come up short.
Transfer window was challenging, especially with the agent rules changing which made it the wild west last summer. That and tactics being a bit naive, with some biased refereeing, are probably costing us our spot. Not sure who is selected makes that big a difference.
Re: No need to apologise
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:18 am
by Ipreferaflan
Well said Vincent. Hope he shuts up all you fans lapping up the negativity around him and the players at the minute. After what he's done for the club since the scarily difficult period around May '22, he'll always have my full backing and gratitude. He's got a young team who clearly aren't ready for the PL, but he's a winner and he'll get it right - whether that's this season or next in the championship.