David Coote (Nottinghamshire) v Bournemouth

How to Score
A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) - out of 25
B. Consistency - out of 25
C. Fitness and Positioning - of 25
D. Control and Authority - out of 25


Please only Rate the Ref if you attended the game and only do so, after the game has ended.

Gonna be the first ref ever to end up with a negative score

A 14
B 12
C 12
D 12

From TV had an excellent game apart for not deny off the Bournemouth player for kicking the ball away when on yellow
Hinchcliffe thought he may not have heard the whistle and that was why he wasn’t carded

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:07 pm

From TV had an excellent game apart for not deny off the Bournemouth player for kicking the ball away when on yellow
Hinchcliffe thought he may not have heard the whistle and that was why he wasn’t carded

You need a new TV

A - 15
B - 5
C - 20
D - 15

Need to see a few incidents back. But carding Oshea in the first 60 seconds when Bournemouth committed the same offence 5-6 times was unforgivable. Sememo should have been off. The foul on Cullen also looked a shocker. Goal softly ruled out?

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:07 pm

From TV had an excellent game apart for not deny off the Bournemouth player for kicking the ball away when on yellow
Hinchcliffe thought he may not have heard the whistle and that was why he wasn’t carded

Good grief man, you post the same every week.

Yes because some posters when we don’t win or get a decent draw blame the referee or VAR for defeat when clearly the team we keep starting with and substitutes like Jay Rod brought on sometimes in stoppage time
Our goal was correctly disallowed for a foul and the VAR check for an early second half penalty with an incident with Berge was correctly ruled out but some posters would have been blaming VAR for not giving it if it had been in the other penalty box
If we had played another hour we would not have scored today

******* terrible.

Time wasting was allowed. Inconsistent with kicking ball away. Semenyo should have had a second yellow. Couple of bad tackles that could have been a straight red. The first on Cullen in the first half is a shocker. The "foul" for our potential equaliser was very soft - compare to what other teams get away with ie. Luton against us or even Chong last night for Luton's first. We could have had a penalty and plenty of teams would have got the benefit of that. He was ******* ****.

A - 3
B - 3
C - 15
D - 10

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:55 pm

Yes because some posters when we don’t win or get a decent draw blame the referee or VAR for defeat when clearly the team we keep starting with and substitutes like Jay Rod brought on sometimes in stoppage time
Our goal was correctly disallowed for a foul and the VAR check for an early second half penalty with an incident with Berge was correctly ruled out but some posters would have been blaming VAR for not giving it if it had been in the other penalty box
If we had played another hour we would not have scored today

Why do you think our goal was correctly chalked off ?

Because Larsen jumped into the back of the Bournemouth player

And yes the Luton player fouled Trafford and that should have been disallowed- he wasn’t even going for the ball - was clearly looking at Trafford to foul bim

Ref bottled a second yellow for the Bournemouth guy in the first half I guess because the foul was a bit soft, but it prevented us running towards their goal and imo is a yellow all day long and therefore a sending off. The guy is crap.

Had all the attributes of a much loved (by them) Prem ref.

W anker, blind, biased against Burnley, fatherless.

To lenient for Bournemouth today.

Ric_C wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:21 pm

Need to see a few incidents back. But carding Oshea in the first 60 seconds when Bournemouth committed the same offence 5-6 times was unforgivable.

Not saying that Coote had a good game, but no one in the Bournemouth team committed the same offence as O'Shea. It was simply one of the most stupid things I've ever seen on a football field given that we had only played about 30 seconds. It was just about the clearest yellow you'll ever see,and mean't that he had to play 100 minutes on a yellow. This obviously affected his game, and arguably cost us both goals.
I hope he gest a significant fine. I'm still annoyed.

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:33 pm

Because Larsen jumped into the back of the Bournemouth player

No he jumped higher than the defender with little of no contact. The defender was caught ‘under the ball’ and threw himself forward hoping to con the ref which he did

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:18 pm

Not saying that Coote had a good game, but no one in the Bournemouth team committed the same offence as O'Shea. It was simply one of the most stupid things I've ever seen on a football field given that we had only played about 30 seconds. It was just about the clearest yellow you'll ever see,and mean't that he had to play 100 minutes on a yellow. This obviously affected his game, and arguably cost us both goals.
I hope he gest a significant fine. I'm still annoyed.

I agree about O’Shea but at least 3 Bournemouth players committed the same delay of game foul with no cards

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10
7
12

A. 12
B. 11
C. 15
D. 15

For a long time it looked as if he was having a good game but he got some things clearly wrong in the second half. I've seen nothing back yet but there need to be serious questions asked about the yellow card for Vitinho which was clearly something he was told over his ear piece. If that was from Gillett on VAR then it is clearly, clearly wrong.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:33 pm

A. 12
B. 11
C. 15
D. 15

For a long time it looked as if he was having a good game but he got some things clearly wrong in the second half. I've seen nothing back yet but there need to be serious questions asked about the yellow card for Vitinho which was clearly something he was told over his ear piece. If that was from Gillett on VAR then it is clearly, clearly wrong.

Try and watch the side on view of Bruin Larsen jump and the defenders position in the disallowed goal. Just normal contact or none at all from what I saw

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:18 pm

Not saying that Coote had a good game, but no one in the Bournemouth team committed the same offence as O'Shea. It was simply one of the most stupid things I've ever seen on a football field given that we had only played about 30 seconds. It was just about the clearest yellow you'll ever see,and mean't that he had to play 100 minutes on a yellow. This obviously affected his game, and arguably cost us both goals.
I hope he gest a significant fine. I'm still annoyed.

Same offence happened in 2nd half when we had a throw in front of Bob Lord stand, Bournemouth player kicked the ball away just as our player was about to pick it up

12
13
18
12

Having watched it back I honestly don't think Larsen fouls his man. He's just stronger, jumps higher and is in a better position to head the ball.

10
8
9
12

Another strolling ref. Awful like all of them at this level.

I don't normally rate but i can't understand for the life of me how Semenyo stayed on the pitch. He got booked for pushing Brunn Larsen in the face. He then gave away a foul when he pushed Taylor over because Taylor had got the wrong side of him and was driving at the full back. As Kompany correctly observed after the game that is in substance the same offence that got Berge sent off at Villa. Its a mandatory yellow.

Thunk we were also a bit unlucky with the disallowed goal. Seen them given, seen them disallowed. Another ref on another day gives it. Very like the controversial Newcastle goal against Arsenal in the autumn, which was given. That I can accept because it is the subjectivity of the game, but the Luton comparison is frustrating.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:23 pm

I don't normally rate but i can't understand for the life of me how Semenyo stayed on the pitch. He got booked for pushing Brunn Larsen in the face. He then gave away a foul when he pushed Taylor over because Taylor had got the wrong side of him and was driving at the full back. As Kompany correctly observed after the game that is in substance the same offence that got Berge sent off at Villa. Its a mandatory yellow.

Thunk we were also a bit unlucky with the disallowed goal. Seen them given, seen them disallowed. Another ref on another day gives it. Very like the controversial Newcastle goal against Arsenal in the autumn, which was given. That I can accept because it is the subjectivity of the game, but the Luton comparison is frustrating.

Tavernier should have walked. He did the same thing as Dara but went unpunished then got a yellow in the 2nd half.

Goobs wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:26 pm

Tavernier should have walked. He did the same thing as Dara but went unpunished then got a yellow in the 2nd half.

It wasn't quite as blatant but I agree, by this point we're dancing on the head of a pin to make the distinction. Either disrupting the throw is a yellow card or it isn't. Taverner probably wouldn't have got the second yellow then, mind. He'd have been more hesitant, like OShea was.

A 8
B 8
C10
D 8

Poor ref

Nobody disputes some decisions are 50/50, 70/30, 30/70 etc. That's the nature of reffing.

However, when hundreds of these decisions are analysed over the season and we end up only getting 10% of the subjective ones, that is the problem. Today there were at least half a dozen things went against us and none for us (ignoring the 100% decisions like the Berge non-foul in the box).

Semenyo gets sent off way before scoring, or we get the Cullen goal allowed, we win that game, draw it at worst, in probability. We simply aren’t good enough to overcome biased refereeing, which I am certain it is, probably subconscious to be generous to Coote. Obviously I’ve linked it in the past to him being from Nottingham (though PGMOL say he is a Notts County fan), but Wilder’s view is very persuasive, that it relates to who these refs feel they will be reffing next year.

If I was a referee, I'd be so embarrassed that this guy is at the top level. Unbelievably weak, completely spineless, zero authority, no understanding of the game, no consistency; in short, an absolute disgrace to the refereeing profession.

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:07 pm

From TV had an excellent game apart for not deny off the Bournemouth player for kicking the ball away when on yellow
Hinchcliffe thought he may not have heard the whistle and that was why he wasn’t carded

This is why tv ratings aren't accepted, you don't see half the game and what goes on.

They could have finished the match with 8 men and it wouodn't have been undeserved.

Despite that, the one that irked me the most was when Bournemouth moved the ball away a couple of yards to try and prevent a quick free kick. Ref completely ignored another instance of Bournemouth preventing us from taking a quick one and instead of booking tgeir lad the ref joined in by telling Cullen (I think) to move it back two yards and re-take it. The officials have been every bit as awful as us this season.

Solid 7’s across the board

Not sending off Semenyo was shocking. The foul on Cullen was awful. We need to do a far better job of influencing refs when we’re next back in the Prem

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:30 pm

This is why tv ratings aren't accepted, you don't see half the game and what goes on.

But you do get a great view of almost every controversial incident or decision

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:04 pm

But you do get a great view of almost every controversial incident or decision

You don't need tv to see how bad they are.

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:33 pm

Because Larsen jumped into the back of the Bournemouth player

There’s an angle on the replay where you can clearly see Larsen barely touches him and the defender star fishes to fool the ref. Shocking decision to disallow the goal

A complete bottle job which for some reason he excells in when he's officiating a Burnley game. The absolute definition of a chinless wonder

A 6
B 6
C 8
D 7.

The sad thing is he and Kavagnah came through the ranks together and both at the time were rising up through ranks I thought there may be some hope for the future ( forget the laughable Oliver ).

It's a damn shame imo

Anyone remember his performance away at Fulham a couple of seasons ago? That's all you need to know!

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:55 pm

Yes because some posters when we don’t win or get a decent draw blame the referee or VAR for defeat when clearly the team we keep starting with and substitutes like Jay Rod brought on sometimes in stoppage time
Our goal was correctly disallowed for a foul and the VAR check for an early second half penalty with an incident with Berge was correctly ruled out but some posters would have been blaming VAR for not giving it if it had been in the other penalty box
If we had played another hour we would not have scored today

Unfortunately it's been the tiresome theme of the season to blame VAR & the officials for our own shortcomings for that reason alone I'll be happy in the championship when we don't have to look for excuses & can operate in a more level playing field in terms of quality.

How var didn't look at the challenge on Cullen on the edge of the area is beyond me. Straight red every day of the week

17
3
15
17

I didn't think he was anywhere near as bad as other people do. Semenyo's foul for the non-booking wasn't much. He and Taylor were running shoulder to shoulder and Taylor had little or no interest in staying on his feet.

Where he scored quite well was that he didn't give so many trivial non-fouls as most refs. The majority of free kicks given nowadays aren't for fouls, they for players deciding they want a free kick so the touch someone and collapse in a heap. He gave fewer of those than most.

Except - why disallow the goal? Yes, two players went for the ball and they met in the middle. There was contact. Well, here's new - when two players go for a header, there is always contact. If the referee wants to give a free kick, he has to decide who was entitled to go for the ball and who wasn't, or whether it was A touched B or whether it was B touched A. Which is why in general two players going for a header does not generally result in a randomly generated free kick.

But when it came down to the big decision and the defender fell over as if hit by a bulldozer, the ref lost his nerve and gave the free kick. Hence the very low mark for consistency.

LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:22 pm

Solid 7’s across the board

Not sending off Semenyo was shocking. The foul on Cullen was awful. We need to do a far better job of influencing refs when we’re next back in the Prem

Wishful thinking perhaps. Will we ever be back in the Premier league ?

Yellow card?

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:17 pm

Nobody disputes some decisions are 50/50, 70/30, 30/70 etc. That's the nature of reffing.

However, when hundreds of these decisions are analysed over the season and we end up only getting 10% of the subjective ones, that is the problem. Today there were at least half a dozen things went against us and none for us (ignoring the 100% decisions like the Berge non-foul in the box).

Semenyo gets sent off way before scoring, or we get the Cullen goal allowed, we win that game, draw it at worst, in probability. We simply aren’t good enough to overcome biased refereeing, which I am certain it is, probably subconscious to be generous to Coote. Obviously I’ve linked it in the past to him being from Nottingham (though PGMOL say he is a Notts County fan), but Wilder’s view is very persuasive, that it relates to who these refs feel they will be reffing next year.

I agree it seems to me that all the crucial, game changing 50-50 decisions seem to be going against us in the Prem. I think referees believe they are impartial because they will give a couple of 50-50 decisions our way but they will be for things that have no impact on the outcome of the game.

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8
15
5

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:17 pm

Nobody disputes some decisions are 50/50, 70/30, 30/70 etc. That's the nature of reffing.

However, when hundreds of these decisions are analysed over the season and we end up only getting 10% of the subjective ones, that is the problem. Today there were at least half a dozen things went against us and none for us (ignoring the 100% decisions like the Berge non-foul in the box).

Semenyo gets sent off way before scoring, or we get the Cullen goal allowed, we win that game, draw it at worst, in probability. We simply aren’t good enough to overcome biased refereeing, which I am certain it is, probably subconscious to be generous to Coote. Obviously I’ve linked it in the past to him being from Nottingham (though PGMOL say he is a Notts County fan), but Wilder’s view is very persuasive, that it relates to who these refs feel they will be reffing next year.

Agree with most of this. I think there is a subconscious bias that means referees shy away from making certain calls - big club equates to hassle, Luton/Brighton/Bournemouth have favourable media narratives. In the EPL, it really is quite pronounced against us. My gut feeling is that the Kompany factor helped us in this regard last year. As a fan base we need to be far more vocal in our disagreement with these decisions.

xxmunkyennuixx wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:20 am

Agree with most of this. I think there is a subconscious bias that means referees shy away from making certain calls - big club equates to hassle, Luton/Brighton/Bournemouth have favourable media narratives. In the EPL, it really is quite pronounced against us. My gut feeling is that the Kompany factor helped us in this regard last year. As a fan base we need to be far more vocal in our disagreement with these decisions.

It's a stretch to think anyone, subconsciously or otherwise, is going to give a decision to Luton or Bournemouth at Turf Moor because they're frightened of the big club.