VK simply has to get more than 19 points; we do not want to be known as one of the five worst teams in PL history.



https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/02/worst ... gue-teams/
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/09/lowes ... e-history/

What an absolute disaster this year is, we are a shadow of the team we were this time last year.

The scary thing is there's still 11 games left. It's hard to see where even another point is coming from at present.

Planning for next season in the Championship starts now. So the priority is undoubtedly deciding who stays and who gets the bullet.

And yes, that includes the manager and his staff.
Big decision for AP, I'd say.

Time to drop those who aren’t going to be here next season. He will know deep down who will want out, and we all know that Assignon and Fofana won’t be here already.

Reintegrate those binned off, and give others who we will be relying on a go. There is nothing whatsoever now gained from playing (say) Amdouni if he wants out in the summer, or Bruun-Larsen if his loan is not an obligatory purchase. Focus on Burnley FC and its future and not these players who are nowhere near good enough anyway.

What material difference will it have to next season if we finish on 13, 17, 20, 25 points?

The seasons done and has been for months.

I think we’ll be pushing it. I predicted 18 a few weeks back and I’ll stick by it but it’s probably a bit optimistic I thought we might hit 20 earlier in the season. For all the positives you can look for we just don’t look like winning matches. It’s a shambles overall. It can’t be creating a good platform for next season.

The first objective is scoring a goal. We can take it from there if it happens.

That Aston Villa team above was ruddy awful. We’ve looked worse for quite a while now.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:44 pm

VK simply has to get more than 19 points; we do not want to be known as one of the five worst teams in PL history.



https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/02/worst ... gue-teams/
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/09/lowes ... e-history/

What an absolute disaster this year is, we are a shadow of the team we were this time last year.

Couldn't give a toss. The fact is - Derby and possibly Huddersfield excepted - you wouldn't have had a clue which five teams and when recorded the lowest points return. You had to look it up to be sure.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:21 pm

Couldn't give a toss. The fact is - Derby and possibly Huddersfield excepted - you wouldn't have had a clue which five teams and when recorded the lowest points return. You had to look it up to be sure.

I knew Villa and Sunderland were in there but not their respective points total.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:23 pm

I knew Villa and Sunderland were in there but not their respective points total.

How many times have you heard about or discussed the worst five teams in PL history, or is this just about finding something else to kick at when we are down?

Get a manager that puts out a decent team each week.

And most of those clubs ended up spending a number of years in League One. Derby are still there. And the way Burnley are set up at the moment the same could easily happen here.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:26 pm

How many times have you heard about or discussed the worst five teams in PL history, or is this just about finding something else to kick at when we are down?

A lot?

People always look back and reflect on really good or really disastrous teams that have played in the PL.

There are quite often discussed in football circles. The Derby, Sunderland and Aston Villa sides were all so poor it has set a benchmark.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:30 pm

A lot?

People always look back and reflect on really good or really disastrous teams that have played in the PL.

No, not a lot. Who really talks about the five teams with the lowest point in PL history - I would suggest very few people. You're just creating a narrative and different angle to criticise.

They are often talked about.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:33 pm

No, not a lot. Who really talks about the five teams with the lowest point in PL history - I would suggest very few people. You're just creating a narrative and different angle to criticise.

Ok - rephrase my OP to 'one of the worst ever' which is a term that's often used.

I used five because all the graphics showed the five worst teams - not sure why that's what you're focusing on.

I’ve lost faith in VK signings and who he needs or wants to succeed in the championship …2 more teams will be getting relegated with us plus a handful of other big teams will fancy their chances next season … Even with this massively expensive assembled squad I don’t think will come in top 6 ..

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:36 pm

Ok - rephrase my OP to 'one of the worst ever' which is a term that's often used.

I used five because all the graphics showed the five worst teams - not sure why that's what you're focusing on.

I suppose I'm placing more focus on it than I should do to be fair - I acknowledge that. That's because every time I come on this messageboard - which is much less than I used to because I'm sick to death of half a dozen posters on here who don't even go to games - I see the same few posters regurgitating the same sh1te with great satisfaction.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:43 pm

I suppose I'm placing more focus on it than I should do to be fair - I acknowledge that. That's because every time I come on this messageboard - which is much less than I used to because I'm sick to death of half a dozen posters on here who don't even go to games - I see the same few posters regurgitating the same sh1te with great satisfaction.

No satisfaction here, I'd like to not be this sh1t.

This is a reasonable objective. Personally, I would just like to see one convincing home win. I would also take a convincing away one. And and for a touch of nostalgia, let us see Muric don the shirt for a testimonial in the last match vs Forest

jedi_master wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:17 pm

Time to drop those who aren’t going to be here next season. He will know deep down who will want out, and we all know that Assignon and Fofana won’t be here already.

Reintegrate those binned off, and give others who we will be relying on a go. There is nothing whatsoever now gained from playing (say) Amdouni if he wants out in the summer, or Bruun-Larsen if his loan is not an obligatory purchase. Focus on Burnley FC and its future and not these players who are nowhere near good enough anyway.

Exactly my thoughts, Jedi.

It’s difficult to know who exactly will be staying or going, but if Kompany is as astute as we are led to believe, then he MUST have one eye already on planning for next season.

I hope Cullen stays in the first team now, and we start playing through him again. Yep, he might get swamped in the PL, but if we can build some cohesion across that back 4, working the ball in to midfield, then I think it would serve us well.

The conundrum is what to do about Trafford. He simply can’t play out from the back, irrespective of what division we are in. We all want another Championship season like last, but that won’t happen with Trafford in goal.

This season isn’t about fighting relegation anymore, but getting ready for next season, and we need as big a head start as possible.

Vim Fuego wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:45 pm

This is a reasonable objective. Personally, I would just like to see one convincing home win. I would also take a convincing away one. And and for a touch of nostalgia, let us see Muric don the shirt for a testimonial in the last match vs Forest

We've already had the convincing home win.

Objective is to start putting a team out that will compete in the Championship.

Let's try scoring a goal and then take it from there, and if we're being ridiculously optimistic a clean sheet.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:44 pm

VK simply has to get more than 19 points; we do not want to be known as one of the five worst teams in PL history.



https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/02/worst ... gue-teams/
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/09/lowes ... e-history/

What an absolute disaster this year is, we are a shadow of the team we were this time last year.

you'd argue that 2 of those clubs are huge clubs, far bigger than us. I must admit I didn't realise Sunderland or Villa had got so few points

Neil wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:21 pm

We've already had the convincing home win.

Assumed we were talking about the rest of the season

VK obviously has no objective.
A team in our position would stop what they are doing ( it's not working & never will ) and start from scratch by earning a clean and progressing from there.
We are not even settling up for a clean sheet just rearranging the chairs on a sinking ship.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:19 pm

Exactly my thoughts, Jedi.

It’s difficult to know who exactly will be staying or going, but if Kompany is as astute as we are led to believe, then he MUST have one eye already on planning for next season.

I hope Cullen stays in the first team now, and we start playing through him again. Yep, he might get swamped in the PL, but if we can build some cohesion across that back 4, working the ball in to midfield, then I think it would serve us well.

The conundrum is what to do about Trafford. He simply can’t play out from the back, irrespective of what division we are in. We all want another Championship season like last, but that won’t happen with Trafford in goal.

This season isn’t about fighting relegation anymore, but getting ready for next season, and we need as big a head start as possible.

Kompany has already proved to us that he is not as astute as HE believes.

Furthermore no manager will officially throw in the towel until it's mathematically impossible to stay up. In any case we've had so many injuries to players that seemed key last season that it's difficult to know who else he can play.

We won't stay up of course. And, like many, I'm pretty much past caring who he plays or what the results are.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:43 pm

I suppose I'm placing more focus on it than I should do to be fair - I acknowledge that. That's because every time I come on this messageboard - which is much less than I used to because I'm sick to death of half a dozen posters on here who don't even go to games - I see the same few posters regurgitating the same sh1te with great satisfaction.

At the game in person or at home watching it on television it's not any different in terms of what's happening. If somebody kicks somebody's leg at the game the exact same thing you can see on the television it doesn't magically aim somewhere else. Whether you attend in person or whether you are ensconced in timbuktu or somewhere else visually it's the same what you are seeing & henceforth the opinions are just as valid.

We need to get 20 points to give us some hope for next season.

I am a bit lost as to what the objective was at the start of the season, let alone what it is now. Sadly we have a manager who has been consumed by his own ego, stubbornly adhering to an outmoded style of play with a disjointed group of duds which he was responsible for recruiting. The football is unwatchable and embarrassing. I don’t think we will get another point and I don’t think he nor many of the players care.

To be fair what else is there to play for but pride now?

My hopes for the rest of the season are ti win a couple more, break 20 points and have a clear clear plan of how we ressurwctbthis mess next season.

Finishing with a bit of a flourish is important for confidence to break the losing team culture. Otherwise we run the risk of continuing that woeful context into next season.

We have 2 years, three at max to get back up or we are going to be league one in 5 years and that will be that

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:18 pm

What material difference will it have to next season if we finish on 13, 17, 20, 25 points?

The seasons done and has been for months.

Massive imo - absolutely need to end the season on somewhat of a 'high'.

Don't want the hangover running into next season. Show the fans and greater football world something!

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:18 pm

What material difference will it have to next season if we finish on 13, 17, 20, 25 points?

The seasons done and has been for months.

Statistically it does have a considerable effect (especially for a club like us in our supposed financial position).

I believe the stat is any team that achieved less than 23 points in a premier league season took at least 4 seasons to get promoted again.

That would be absolutely massive for our club if that were to happen.

mikeS wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:29 pm

And most of those clubs ended up spending a number of years in League One. Derby are still there. And the way Burnley are set up at the moment the same could easily happen here.

The length of time they are taking with those road works at the Culvert and on Yorkshire Street, we may be in League One before they are finished.

I think it's more important not to replicate Sunderland being in that list twice.. it seems they had an awful season in the PL, got relegated, got promoted and had another stinker in the PL.. we need to make sure we learn from our experiences of last, this and next season to make sure we're much more competitive in the next PL campaign.

There’ll be no objective as far as VK is concerned. There is no jeopardy, so it’ll be business as usual.

It's imperative for the club not only in terms of the morale of the players but also their value in the summer market and the levels of confidence in VK that we win some games and get over 20 points.

Carrying on as we are and limping to 17/18 points is best avoided.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:43 pm

I suppose I'm placing more focus on it than I should do to be fair - I acknowledge that. That's because every time I come on this messageboard - which is much less than I used to because I'm sick to death of half a dozen posters on here who don't even go to games - I see the same few posters regurgitating the same sh1te with great satisfaction.

In 12 months we have lost the culture of "not losing" which was a trademark of last season.We found a way of getting a late win, or late goal

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:07 am

Statistically it does have a considerable effect (especially for a club like us in our supposed financial position).

I believe the stat is any team that achieved less than 23 points in a premier league season took at least 4 seasons to get promoted again.

That would be absolutely massive for our club if that were to happen.

Statistically how do sides do who get promoted from the Championship with 100 points do?

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:07 am

Statistically it does have a considerable effect (especially for a club like us in our supposed financial position).

I believe the stat is any team that achieved less than 23 points in a premier league season took at least 4 seasons to get promoted again.

That would be absolutely massive for our club if that were to happen.

It wouldn’t be massive or a massive issue for us supporters. It might be for Mr Pace and co. though?

The more arbitrary objectives we have, the better.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:51 am

Statistically how do sides do who get promoted from the Championship with 100 points do?

Based on this and a bit of Wiki:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ra ... ints-total

In other words, they all stayed up.

Club/Championship season/points/Premier League season/position/points

Reading 2005-06 101 2006-07 8th 55
Sunderland 1998-99 105 1999-00 7th 58
Newcastle 2009-10 102 2010-11 12th 46
Leicester City 2013-14 102 2014-15 14th 41
Fulham 2000-01 101 2001-02 13th 44
Man City 2001-02 99 2002-03 9th 51
Wolves 2017-18 99 2018-19 7th 57
Portsmouth 2002-03 98 2003-04 13th 45

You can only imagine the buzz and feel good factor getting relegated with 22 points would bring compared to a crap season and only getting 19 points

Nonayforever wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:50 pm

VK obviously has no objective.
A team in our position would stop what they are doing ( it's not working & never will ) and start from scratch by earning a clean and progressing from there.
We are not even settling up for a clean sheet just rearranging the chairs on a sinking ship.

Except for the fact that we were the better side on Saturday.
VK did his job, those in attack and defence did not.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:07 am

Statistically it does have a considerable effect (especially for a club like us in our supposed financial position).

I believe the stat is any team that achieved less than 23 points in a premier league season took at least 4 seasons to get promoted again.

That would be absolutely massive for our club if that were to happen.

A quick look at the graphic in the OP tells you that your statistic is wrong.

I don't know when the earliest we can be relegated is, but it wouldn't surprise me to win half the remaining games after relegation has been confirmed. There's some talent in our squad that might be able to turn it on once the pressure is off and there's a shop window to display in.

I disagree with those saying it doesn't really matter. If we don't show any fight or dig a few results out it might get past the point of no return for Kompany with large sections of the fan base.

Hipper wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:50 pm

Based on this and a bit of Wiki:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ra ... ints-total

In other words, they all stayed up.

Club/Championship season/points/Premier League season/position/points

Reading 2005-06 101 2006-07 8th 55
Sunderland 1998-99 105 1999-00 7th 58
Newcastle 2009-10 102 2010-11 12th 46
Leicester City 2013-14 102 2014-15 14th 41
Fulham 2000-01 101 2001-02 13th 44
Man City 2001-02 99 2002-03 9th 51
Wolves 2017-18 99 2018-19 7th 57
Portsmouth 2002-03 98 2003-04 13th 45

and look how long ago they all were. The most recent one was Wolves and they bought Ruben Neves for 16 million, Diogo Jota, Willy Boly and plenty more (all in the Championship) so it's no real surprise they went up and stayed up with that side