Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:49 pm

Über fans vs realists

shulgin wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:51 pm

Saw the aftermath of it. Angry man coming down the steps having to be held back by family. Loser.

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:04 pm

There's probably never been a season which divides opinions so markedly. Kompany (and co) was absolutely amazing last season and is utterly dreadful this season. Discuss!!!! Absolutely bound to garner polar opposite opinions. Do you allow him loads of credit for last season which was brilliant, amazing and wonderful and possibly the best most of us can ever remember, or do you pillory him as a complete baffoon for subsequently spending 100 million quid on a bunch of hopefuls who are clearly going to get us relegated? Tough one. (Imo)

jlup1980 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:31 pm

As good as last season was (and it was amazing), this season has been the polar opposite and some! I can't recall a season as bad (given the level and the investment). The season was over before Christmas and we've got steadily worse as the season has progressed. There's just nothing to get excited about. Our games are over after 10-15 minutes most weeks and that alludes to a terminal issue. We're just a very poor team.

However I think the big issue many have, including myself, is next season. VK won't have the experienced heads and the togetherness he had in the Championship last season. We'll be a young team with no leadership or backbone. He will clearly have burned his bridges with important players this season and I genuinely don't see how he turns it around. Do you keep him and hope he turns it around or roll the dice and bring in a new voice for next season? That's the divide.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:37 pm

This has got to be the worst home record in our history?

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:48 pm

it's the most home games we've lost in our history apparently

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:54 pm

Thought it must be even thinking back to other relegation seasons.

colne-claret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:48 pm

This season has been that bad that I saw two sets of fans nearly coming to blows in Jimmy Mc upper today. Bloke in his sixties as well. Old enough to know better. We can all disagree with each other but christ why are people scrapping over it?!

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:56 pm

it's come as a surprise given we only lost 1 at home all last season.

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:26 pm

Said it in another thread, fans shouldn't turn on each other unless it's at the fans who are quite literally only here for Kompany, or Pace, or a particular player. The club is bigger than a manager, a player, or indeed, an owner.

I don't agree with booing players. I don't agree with abuse directed towards our players. I don't agree with the extent of vitriol but I also don't agree with fans saying "Just keep quiet if you dont like it" or "Dont come if youre not happy" etc. I'm sick of "But the Orient Game" and "But the 4th tier". Just as much as I'm sick of pretending current success erases or equals winning the first division title- which I wasn't alive for. People say its a small club mentality to cling to past glories- it's much smaller club mentality to cling to lesser glories because they're more recent, and the most small club mentality of all to cling to past FAILURES as a reason to play "im the biggest fan". The Orient Game shouldn't be either a point of pride or any kind of measuring stick to rebuff criticism, it should be something we seek to never return to. What other club lauds their worst moments like that? If we're playing the "I'm a real fan and you're a glory hunter" game, why is it that the fans who go in for that also seem to want to insulate Alan Pace- the definition of a latecoming glory hunter who's only here for profit, sure he might develop an attachment but it's baffling to me how the Pace defenders and the "Okay, sod off, we don't need your criticism you glory hunter" groups seem to be a 1:1 overlap.

The fans and community are the most important part of a football club, theyre the ones there to pick things up if it all goes wrong and no matter what we might think of each other's opinions, views or judgments, unless it's crossing that line into abuse towards our own (whether players or fans) we should be pulling together. Not willing players to fail, not booing our own, and not belittling other fans or telling them to clear off if they're dissatisfied because you remember the 4th tier.

We don't have a good fanbase. I've said it before and got pelters for it, but we really don't. They're not cohesive, they don't make the Turf an intimidating place full of noise like some grounds, we've got a weird divide where some people are never happy without a boo boy to take potshots at, and others are never happy unless they're showing how big a fan they are by belittling anyone critical. Just like there was a huge swathe of fans who got so self conscious by the 'anti football' crap from the media that they turned against things then, just like some seem so desperate for media approval now that they point to managers saying nice things after smashing us 5-0 as progress. "No one likes us we don't care" should be replaced by "We hate ourselves but want everyone else to like us".
And I'm aware by saying this I'm taking a pop at the fans while saying we need to not do that, but I don't know how else you say it- we need to pull together rather than engaging in either superfan signalling or in unconstructive abuse. I honestly think there's been problems within our fanbase for a long time, ever since Coyle left save maybe 4-5 years under Dyche, this is just bringing it out in the open.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:30 pm

So like every other clubs fans then! Annoyed and falling out when things are going wrong and amazingly like last season when we were winning every week no issues.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:30 pm

So like every other clubs fans then! Annoyed and falling out when things are going wrong and amazingly like last season when we were winning every week no issues.

TheCatsWhiskers wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:55 pm

Fans turning on each other, booing our own goalkeeper,

Time for a a break from home matches for many I suspect.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:52 am

At the final whistle I was annoyed by the amount of booing as my polite but dispirited clap was drowned out, however Trafford just bolted away from the stand,no attempt to at least acknowledge the fans.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:52 am

At the final whistle I was annoyed by the amount of booing as my polite but dispirited clap was drowned out, however Trafford just bolted away from the stand,no attempt to at least acknowledge the fans.

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:42 pm

Looked like a few thousand did today with all the empty seats

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:31 am

There weren’t that many empty seats. I said to my brother when I sat down that the lower tiers of the stands were fuller than I thought they would be.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:53 am

There were a few empty seats round us, I think westleighs was one but certainly not as many as I thought there would be

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:31 am

There weren’t that many empty seats. I said to my brother when I sat down that the lower tiers of the stands were fuller than I thought they would be.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:30 am

As I nipped down at the start of half-time, nobody was queuing at the bars. Not sure if it was because of it being Sunday or people have given up on it. That was longside upper and my mate said the same for the lower.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:30 am

It was the emptiest home sell out I have ever seen.

I can't really judge the Longside but there was 10 empty seats on my row and one in front. Jimmy Mac upper/lower had lots of empty seats, as did the Bob Lord.
I reckon around 15k turned up.

As I nipped down at the start of half-time, nobody was queuing at the bars. Not sure if it was because of it being Sunday or people have given up on it. That was longside upper and my mate said the same for the lower.

jlup1980 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:31 pm

As good as last season was (and it was amazing), this season has been the polar opposite and some! I can't recall a season as bad (given the level and the investment). The season was over before Christmas and we've got steadily worse as the season has progressed. There's just nothing to get excited about. Our games are over after 10-15 minutes most weeks and that alludes to a terminal issue. We're just a very poor team.

However I think the big issue many have, including myself, is next season. VK won't have the experienced heads and the togetherness he had in the Championship last season. We'll be a young team with no leadership or backbone. He will clearly have burned his bridges with important players this season and I genuinely don't see how he turns it around. Do you keep him and hope he turns it around or roll the dice and bring in a new voice for next season? That's the divide.

claptrappers_union wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:15 pm

There are lots of empty seats in the Longside Upper. Everyone was going through the motions yesterday.

I've not seen a season like it. It's depressing. How **** must Sheff Utd be if that's the only home game where we played well.?

I think the fans have been brilliant and very patient this season. If we were Everton, Newcastle, Chelsea, Palace... there would've been banners calling for Kompany weeks ago. I think I'd be happy if we just forfeited the season now so I can have my Saturdays back. Start again in the Championship in August with Kompany in charge rather than see him torn down like this in the Premier League every week.

jlup1980 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:57 pm

I've posted on here and on social media that I didn't count Sheff Utd as a proper win as soon as it happened. We had two really tough games against them last season and you always knew what to expect from them. They're a hard working, well organised team.

The Sheff Utd that rocked up to the Turf earlier this season had an agenda. Namely, they wanted Heckingbottom gone. They were worse than atrocious. It wasn't a Burnley win, it was a Sheff Utd loss designed and played out to perfection by their players. Look back at the goals and the complete lack of effort from their defenders. Then compare that to last season. It was the same players.

We will go through the whole season without beating a proper team at home. How utterly depressing.