Apparently in charge of our recruitment, also happens to be VK’s business with Lee Mooney who was at city previously.

Something doesn’t sit right with this for me. Conflict of interest maybe.

Hot off the press!

Are you going to give a bit more insight into your conspiracy theory ?

What isn't sitting right with you, what benefit is there to whoever you think it is that is benefitting ?

Sorry if it’s been done before I’ve only just found all this out . Baffling me . Mods feel free to delete

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable concern to me

I don't think it's a conflict of interest but I do think it's super clear too much trust has been given to Kompany. If he left tomorrow we would not have a recruitment department.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:30 pm

Are you going to give a bit more insight into your conspiracy theory ?

What isn't sitting right with you, what benefit is there to whoever you think it is that is benefitting ?

The reason he’s picking players signed with this company maybe ? Not sure, I’ve just found out about it all and I thought maybe our fans forum is the kind of place to discuss these things?

My posts on this subject have gone but I think I know why. Sorry.
In any case we will be able to see Mud Analytics when BFC file their next accounts so it will be factual then for all to see.

It's obviously a conflict of interest, it's literally the dictionary definition of it. That's not to say that Kompany is actually exercising this interest at the detriment of the club.

Their name will be Mud in more ways than one if they are scouting players like Trafford for £19 million.

Somebody needs to tell him it’s not working.

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:59 pm

Their name will be Mud in more ways than one if they are scouting players like Trafford for £19 million.

If you fling enough Mud, some of it sticks!

Jamesey
I doubt whether the accounts will refer to Mud Analytics. If they have a contract with the club the payments to them from BFC won’t be separately detailed.

clansman wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:07 pm

Jamesey
I doubt whether the accounts will refer to Mud Analytics. If they have a contract with the club the payments to them from BFC won’t be separately detailed.

Aah, thanks for clarifying this. It’s a pity though as it would be interesting to know.
So on Mud Analytics accounts they wouldn’t have to show this either would they? Although we could probably work out what revenue came their way from BFC.

Mindboggling Utter Dross Analytics

Very aptly named

Ilkley claret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:12 pm

Mindboggling Utter Dross Analytics

Yes, not far off with this!

I would have thought everyone should have concerns.

Mud won’t show any receipts from BFC on company house accounts as they are entitled to enter balance sheet info only being a small company. As you say though it would be very interesting to know how the deal works and how much Mud get paid.

clansman wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:16 pm

Mud won’t show any receipts from BFC on company house accounts as they are entitled to enter balance sheet info only being a small company. As you say though it would be very interesting to know how the deal works and how much Mud get paid.

Yes I thought this. However, as BFC are probably their main or only major client we should get some idea of the scale of monies going to them when we see their turnover.

I do t think we know that we use MUD, do we, so obviously speculation. I suspect we do though.

I think we’ve signed some very talented players using it, if we do, just too many young players, not enough experience or leadership quality which I assume cannot be analysed. We need to reflect on that, accept its limitations, and learn quickly. Which I’m sure we will.

Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood.

Who was in charge of recruitment last season?

It’s not so worrying the signings side of it , as mentioned above we’ve signed some cracking players. My only gripe is , would VK play the lads signed using this agency over the ones that haven’t been. That’s where the issue lies . Be interesting to see if muric was signed using this model .

It’s as clear as Mud.

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:40 pm

It’s not so worrying the signings side of it , as mentioned above we’ve signed some cracking players. My only gripe is , would VK play the lads signed using this agency over the ones that haven’t been. That’s where the issue lies . Be interesting to see if muric was signed using this model .

I really think this is a reasonable concern. My example of choice Charlie Taylor - both last season and the start of this season VK preferred to play players who aren't left backs ahead of him. Concerning and scary.

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:40 pm

It’s not so worrying the signings side of it , as mentioned above we’ve signed some cracking players. My only gripe is , would VK play the lads signed using this agency over the ones that haven’t been. That’s where the issue lies . Be interesting to see if muric was signed using this model .

I wouldn't have thought Muric was bearing in mind where he came from, and how quick it happened when the first choice target fell through

I would guess it includes the players from last season who are not being played, or out on loan.

It’s very naive of Pace to have his current managers business as his sole method of scouting new players that is pretty obvious.

Is it any wonder we are signing sh1te if this bunch of muppets are doing the scouting?

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:52 pm

It’s very naive of Pace to have his current managers business as his sole method of scouting new players that is pretty obvious.

How do you know it’s a method at all? Nevermind, our soul method?

Can you imagine the meltdown if it was ever discovered Mud have appearence bonuses for the players they recruited.
Heck.

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:43 pm

I really think this is a reasonable concern. My example of choice Charlie Taylor - both last season and the start of this season VK preferred to play players who aren't left backs ahead of him. Concerning and scary.

Not sure that’s the best of examples. Charlie missed 3 games at the start of the season, was rumoured to be injured, then came back in and has been ever present bar his missed game for suspension and four further games due to injury.

All the evidence in that scenario points to him being Kompany’s first choice LB all season bar when he’s been injured or suspended.

And if he was just left out in the first three games it’s a sure sign he very quickly corrects any wrong decisions and does not prioritise his own signings over picking the best players (Vitinho or Delcroix could’ve been preferred to him all season).

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:40 pm

It’s not so worrying the signings side of it , as mentioned above we’ve signed some cracking players. My only gripe is , would VK play the lads signed using this agency over the ones that haven’t been. That’s where the issue lies . Be interesting to see if muric was signed using this model .

Can’t imagine the analytics are used so much to sign GK’s.

We do know Kompany watched Trafford in a lot of games last year before he signed. Nixon reported he was at several Bolton games watching him.

I think you’re worrying about nothing: the salary that Kompany takes, his reputation and his ability to retain/develop relationships with MUD (if there is one) all revolves around us being a premier league team. He’s only going to make decisions that he feels give us the best chance of achieving that.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:35 pm

No more than when certain managers were getting new cars as a result of their transfer dealings, though granted, there was an excellent deal amongst them.

It's quite possible that the players fans think of as being brilliant, were brought in as a result of this agreement, without it, the successful players from the championship winning team, and some this last summer may not have been available to the club.

You could make a very solid argument we wouldn’t even be in the Premier League now were it not for MUD. Assuming we even use MUD that is.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:04 pm

Not sure that’s the best of examples. Charlie missed 3 games at the start of the season, was rumoured to be injured, then came back in and has been ever present bar his missed game for suspension and four further games due to injury.

All the evidence in that scenario points to him being Kompany’s first choice LB all season bar when he’s been injured or suspended.

And if he was just left out in the first three games it’s a sure sign he very quickly corrects any wrong decisions and does not prioritise his own signings over picking the best players (Vitinho or Delcroix could’ve been preferred to him all season).

Totally unaware if he was injured - though it's not something we know. Regardless, my baseline expectation for a manager and for a recruitment department is understanding that a football team needs a left back. VK quite slow on the uptake on this one and in favour of players he signed.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:56 pm

Is it any wonder we are signing sh1te if this bunch of muppets are doing the scouting?
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Explains Trafford’s “tiger feet”

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:09 pm

Can’t imagine the analytics are used so much to sign GK’s.

We do know Kompany watched Trafford in a lot of games last year before he signed. Nixon reported he was at several Bolton games watching him.

I think you’re worrying about nothing: the salary that Kompany takes, his reputation and his ability to retain/develop relationships with MUD (if there is one) all revolves around us being a premier league team. He’s only going to make decisions that he feels give us the best chance of achieving that.

I seem to remember that Mattster ( if that's the correct spelling) said that VK tried to sign him whilst at Anderlecht.

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:40 pm

It’s not so worrying the signings side of it , as mentioned above we’ve signed some cracking players. My only gripe is , would VK play the lads signed using this agency over the ones that haven’t been. That’s where the issue lies . Be interesting to see if muric was signed using this model .

What exactly do you think MUD is?

Nonayforever wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:55 pm

I seem to remember that Mattster ( if that's the correct spelling) said that VK tried to sign him whilst at Anderlecht.

Trafford?

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:58 pm

It's obviously a conflict of interest, it's literally the dictionary definition of it. That's not to say that Kompany is actually exercising this interest at the detriment of the club.

This a million times. The whole notion of conflict of interest is about one person being in a position where they have an interest in two organisations which may, repeat may, at some stage not align (at best) or be actively opposed (at worst). It does not mean that someone is actively playing two organisations off against each other - it's all about ensuring that can never happen.

If what has been rumoured about MUD, and VK's involvement, is correct, it is a straight up and down conflict of interest that either should not have happened, or should be accompanied by processes in place to manage it (in fairness, there may be - we wouldn't necessaily know that).

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:42 pm

Totally unaware if he was injured - though it's not something we know. Regardless, my baseline expectation for a manager and for a recruitment department is understanding that a football team needs a left back. VK quite slow on the uptake on this one and in favour of players he signed.

Well they knew we needed a LB.

They did try to sign several in summer, Ian Maatsen and turned us down and Quilindschy Hartman was linked.

Then at least one in Jan, being Jayden Oosterwolde (probably more).

And Charlie, a LB, has played whenever fit, so that’s all your boxes ticked.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:18 pm

And Charlie, a LB, has played whenever fit, so that’s all your boxes ticked.

Was he injured for the first three games of the season?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:36 pm

Was he injured for the first three games of the season?

He was definitely left out of the full squad for the first three games and I seem to remember the suggestion was that he was injured.

That did coincide with the transfer window ending though, so maybe a move had been on the cards. Think he was linked with a return to Leeds in summer?

But in any event, it was a fairly swift resolution and he’s been in the team ever since bar injury/suspension.

Quite a quick row back from "he was injured" to "I seem to remember the suggestion he was injured" there

I feel with a few of our signings we chose to take the opportunity before somebody else did to bring certain players in. Rather than prioritising the required slots we needed to improve on. (Midfield, full backs, striker)

The lack of squad cohesion and gelling of the new side has been made even more difficult by a lack of leadership in the squad and too many parts of the machine (the club as a whole) learning on the job.

We can only hope that this years experience sets the lads up to want to right some wrongs and breeds character amongst the playing staff.

Let’s see if this recruitment policy has any leaders in store for us next season because that is what is desperately required

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:42 pm

He was definitely left out of the full squad for the first three games and I seem to remember the suggestion was that he was injured.

That did coincide with the transfer window ending though, so maybe a move had been on the cards. Think he was linked with a return to Leeds in summer?

But in any event, it was a fairly swift resolution and he’s been in the team ever since bar injury/suspension.

He wasn't in the squad for the first three league games but played in a friendly and the League Cup tie in that period.

Does Tresor get left out as he has already been sold and they don't want him injured to prevent losing out on a dividend ?

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:15 pm

Does Tresor get left out as he has already been sold and they don't want him injured to prevent losing out on a dividend ?

No. He gets left out because he's bloody awful.