Nottingham Forest reports suggesting they will discover the outcome of their profit and sustainability charge on Monday.
Any points deduction would be most welcome.

Gut feeling is six reduced to three. Meh!

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:40 pm

Gut feeling is six reduced to three. Meh!

Everton got there's reduced because of errors in the premier League's case, can't see them making the same mistake twice.

Don’t want to be a party pooper but it will be irrelevant to us anyway. We need the weakest other 2 to come down with us and that is the same 2 that came up with us.

karatekid wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:02 pm

Don’t want to be a party pooper but it will be irrelevant to us anyway. We need the weakest other 2 to come down with us and that is the same 2 that came up with us.

I don't expect us to stay up, but:
If Forest get a 6pt deduction and we beat them in the last game of the season, then we only have to match their other results between now and the end of the season to finish above them.
We'll finish above Sheff U so our other target would be Luton, who are catchable.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:40 pm

Gut feeling is six reduced to three. Meh!

Successful appeals tend to get a third of the points off - there needs to be a new rule about frivolous appeals

Forest's main point of mitigation was the price achieved for Brennan Johnson as a opposed to what was available in the reporting time frame - Everton's case and appeal saw that mitigation rejected both times.

there are media reports that the overspend at Forest was greater than Everton's, which suggests a bigger point deduction for them.

Forest were represented by Nick de Marco possible the most successful legal council against English Football Authorities, he also represented Everton at their appeal.

I expect Forest to get a bigger penalty than Everton's new charges, simply because the double jeopardy/natural justice argument has strong basis in English Law, it will mitigate but not terminate the charges is my guess

I wonder if the big Greek lad will barge into the room during the tea and biscuit break

karatekid wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:02 pm

Don’t want to be a party pooper but it will be irrelevant to us anyway. We need the weakest other 2 to come down with us and that is the same 2 that came up with us.

Er no we need to stay up

They have to give the same as they did with Everton's 1st charge. 10 points reduced to 6 on appeal. Everton will get 10 points for the 2nd time with no reduction on appeal.

We've got to catch Luton first!

Edit.

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:40 pm

We've got to catch Luton first!

Not necessarily. Beat both and give them both a 6 point deduction, we finish above and relegate Everton and Forest, all other things being equal.

We can dream. And should.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:45 pm

Not necessarily. Beat both and give them both a 6 point deduction, we finish above and relegate Everton and Forest, all other things being equal.

We can dream. And should.

Lovin' your optimism.

Heart says I hope you're right, head says we'll fall short by whatever means.

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 3:38 pm

Lovin' your optimism.

Heart says I hope you're right, head says we'll fall short by whatever means.

I think all our heads say that. We have left it too late. We kept playing some players whose form wasn’t good enough.

But the chance is there. That’s key for us, players, fans, owners. To believe.

And let’s be honest, after what happened with Richarlison 2 years ago, and the Greek guy in Athens, wouldn’t it be great?

If the point deductions happen before the end of the season and with us still to play Everton and Forest it could be very very close

When are Everton due to find out their second penalty?

Also are we still pursuing compo from Everton? I certainly hope so.

mybloodisclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:02 pm

When are Everton due to find out their second penalty?

Also are we still pursuing compo from Everton? I certainly hope so.

The hearing has yet to happen, so it will be mid to late April

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:40 pm

We've got to catch Luton first!

They have city, arsenal and spurs 3 of next 4 games. By no means dead in the water if forest get a deduction

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:51 pm

I wonder if the big Greek lad will barge into the room during the tea and biscuit break

A lot will depend which biscuits are on offer.

If all else fails, and absolute refusal to accept our fate will see us through....

Thanks to General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett for the inspiration...

Forest have a big couple of weeks coming up.

Yes, the hearing this week but also their next two games are at home to Palace & Fulham. Two wins in those games and any points reduction could be irellevant. Depending on any sanctions, no wins and it could be a killer blow to their season.

We won't give up but it's so frustrating that we aren't closer to really take advantage.

There are suggestions that Forest have been offered a softened penalty (reduced) if they do not appeal - which should affect the credibility of the Premier League to my mind. The stories also suggest Everton are going to get a similar offer

The reasons being offered for this are that it makes the run in more certain for all clubs involved in the relegation fight.

What it actually shows is that the Premier League is still playing catch-up on the issue of firm penalties for rule breaches - this is in large part not down to Premier League administration, but to the fact that Premier League members (the clubs) were not prepared to agree to such penalties

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:21 am

There are suggestions that Forest have been offered a softened penalty (reduced) if they do not appeal - which should affect the credibility of the Premier League to my mind. The stories also suggest Everton are going to get a similar offer

The reasons being offered for this are that it makes the run in more certain for all clubs involved in the relegation fight.

What it actually shows is that the Premier League is still playing catch-up on the issue of firm penalties for rule breaches - this is in large part not down to Premier League administration, but to the fact that Premier League members (the clubs) were not prepared to agree to such penalties

That's why i don't like the Premier league anymore...

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:21 am

There are suggestions that Forest have been offered a softened penalty (reduced) if they do not appeal - which should affect the credibility of the Premier League to my mind. The stories also suggest Everton are going to get a similar offer

The reasons being offered for this are that it makes the run in more certain for all clubs involved in the relegation fight.

What it actually shows is that the Premier League is still playing catch-up on the issue of firm penalties for rule breaches - this is in large part not down to Premier League administration, but to the fact that Premier League members (the clubs) were not prepared to agree to such penalties

I wonder what 'softened penalty' will mean. And can VAR rule it out?

Just interested to know how everyone else is celebrating this?

I know some of you will be working which is a bit inconvenient for when the news breaks but I'm guessing the party will be in full swing when you get home.

Street parties, friends and family home event or have you hired a function room?
What's the right food? Is it a sausage roll kind of event or should we be setting the bar higher?

For those of you that should having to work tomorrow, how are you booking your sickie?

The awful decision to give the Luton equaliser and the late equaliser last week at West Ham - those 4 points could really bite us in the you know what at the end of the season. Those 4 points on our total now would put us only 1 behind Luton, 4 behind Everton and Forest with both to play and possible Forest points deductions and only 5 behind Brentford. Would really be game on.

Goody1975 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:46 pm

Forest have a big couple of weeks coming up.

Yes, the hearing this week but also their next two games are at home to Palace & Fulham. Two wins in those games and any points reduction could be irellevant. Depending on any sanctions, no wins and it could be a killer blow to their season.

Two wins in those 2 games would give Forest 31 points.
So 14 in front of us. If, say, they then get a 4 point penalty
that's still 10 points in front of us.
That would still be a huge ask of us.

So yes, any points reduction may well be irrelevant.
So let's hope Palace and Fulham shape themselves.

any news??

kenyon6923 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:37 am

The awful decision to give the Luton equaliser and the late equaliser last week at West Ham - those 4 points could really bite us in the you know what at the end of the season. Those 4 points on our total now would put us only 1 behind Luton, 4 behind Everton and Forest with both to play and possible Forest points deductions and only 5 behind Brentford. Would really be game on.

Dont forget our incorrectly disallowed winner at Forest. That ought to have been another 3 points closer to them

burnley007 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:23 pm

any news??

Four point deduction

Drops Forest below Luton and four points clear of us

We are Staying up I said we are staying up .....

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:52 pm

Drops Forest below Luton and four points clear of us

Are we assuming they'll appeal?

I guess 'we cheated so we could make more money' isn't the sound defence they thought it was.

Should be relegated for that alone.

not true according to BBC
Decision still awaited but sometime this week.Likely on the 20th to bury it in the CPI for February on that date.
A good time to bury bad news?

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:55 pm

Are we assuming they'll appeal?

Appeal expected

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:56 pm

I guess 'we cheated so we could make more money' isn't the sound defence they thought it was.

Should be relegated for that alone.

Agreed, no deterrent to any club knowing the are going to end up mid table or above. You could argue at around 2m a league place it is almost encouraging it.

mdd2 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:57 pm

not true according to BBC
Decision still awaited but sometime this week.Likely on the 20th to bury it in the CPI for February on that date.
A good time to bury bad news?

I wouldn’t be believing the BBC

Guardian are reporting it:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ainability

Burnley v Forest last game could still be fun !!

Everton getting 10 points and then 4 points back, now Forest getting 4 points, premier league don’t have a clue what they are doing, setting it up nicely to just fine Man City

Athletic confirming it too with potential appeal by 15th April

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:17 pm

Everton getting 10 points and then 4 points back, now Forest getting 4 points, premier league don’t have a clue what they are doing, setting it up nicely to just fine Man City

Not done by the Premier League. It’s always an independent panel.

Wonder why it wasn't six. Feels very much like they are making it up as they go along.

aggi wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:24 pm

Wonder why it wasn't six. Feels very much like they are making it up as they go along.

Different panels might affect it but from what I can understand the Forest situation was nothing like as bad as Everton. And if they can persuade a panel to understand the Johnson situation then they could win their appeal.

I expect this to galvanise Forest and them to at least win back the four points in the next two home games.

Obviously we hope it doesn't.

A win for the rich Greek guy who can afford the best lawyer

indeed

four points deducted according to BBC

The weasel in charge at Notts Forrest will try every trick in the book to get out of this one.