4th highest in the Premier League at 52.5% on target, via The Other 14 account on Twitter X.

Only bettered by Isak, Ferguson and Doucoure. Hasn’t scored enough of his 21 on target, but that will come.

We’re lucky to have him. The names at the top of the list are all really good players.

https://x.com/other14the/status/1772974 ... 51897?s=61

YESSS.

Fantastic news.

Very surprising stat. Even his number of shots is decent as well

So if you bing all your shots straight at a keeper it'd be 100% accuracy.

With such a small discrepancy in these I wouldn't read into it in anywhere near the way you are doing, and it's the wrong way to use statistics.

He did well last night in Lansdowne , now a bit of a dive for the free kick that lead to the goal , funny part was seeing O'Shea shouting at him that it was a dive or something , should be fun at training this week .

Tribesmen wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:38 pm

He did well last night in Lansdowne , now a bit of a dive for the free kick that lead to the goal , funny part was seeing O'Shea shouting at him that it was a dive or something , should be fun at training this week .

If he dives and it leads to a goal, he can dive 8 times on Saturday for me

The main thing is getting back what we paid for him , I think around 12-15m? Doubt he’ll get prem interest , but a decent euros could ramp up his value nicely. Bit of a show pony and not comfortable in our side but can imagine him getting a decent ish Bundesliga gig

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:36 pm

So if you bing all your shots straight at a keeper it'd be 100% accuracy.

With such a small discrepancy in these I wouldn't read into it in anywhere near the way you are doing, and it's the wrong way to use statistics.

If you are correct, and like very often with stats, I don’t feel you are, there would be other crap outliers at the top of this table.

But there aren’t. Just very good, very expensive players. Like Zeki.

find the work ethic stat

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:01 pm

If you are correct, and like very often with stats, I don’t feel you are, there would be other crap outliers at the top of this table.

But there aren’t. Just very good, very expensive players. Like Zeki.

No idea what you're talking about.

There's even an argument to be made that guys with lower shot accuracy *may* score more because they're trying to place their shots in locations that may not hit the target but if they do the keeper will have a lower chance of saving them.

Again, nowhere near as definitive (especially with such small deviation) as you're making out. This is what poor analysis is.

Can’t remember a lazier player for us

Scored some decent goals but doesn’t put a shift in

That's a really crap stat. He could have scuffed every single shot.

If we saw more of the ball and had a stronger midfield there’s no doubting he’s a great player. Agree with others that he doesn’t put enough of a shift in but his main weakness is that he’s not strong enough.

Would love to see him destroy the Championship next season.

Get the feeling he doesn’t want to do anything apart from shoot on goal so this stat doesn’t surprise me.

Don’t think he fits in with the team formation at all. Needs everything passing to him for tap ins.

Doesn’t make runs and doesn’t track back. Wouldn’t get a game under Dyche

Repeated examples of the OP picking out one stat, stripping away any context, and presenting it as proof a player is good. A pointless exercise.

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:34 pm

Repeated examples of the OP picking out one stat, stripping away any context, and presenting it as proof a player is good. A pointless exercise.

Might be able to get a spot on MOTD if he keeps it up going off the panel from their last show.

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:34 pm

Repeated examples of the OP picking out one stat, stripping away any context, and presenting it as proof a player is good. A pointless exercise.

It's a good example of the dangers in the use of data. If you use meaningless figures like that then you'd be in trouble. I think most clubs have got a pretty good grasp on which data is useful these days though

Sign off a good player, more to come & defo more goals, good movement & can take a player on, could be one other prem teams might take a punt on.

Hopefully we pop that stat on his 'For Sale' advert in the summer.

Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:06 pm

Hopefully we pop that stat on his 'For Sale' advert in the summer.

Hopefully we can find a relevant stat for occasionally taking a nice touch then doing naff all with it

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:34 pm

Repeated examples of the OP picking out one stat, stripping away any context, and presenting it as proof a player is good. A pointless exercise.

What if you also presented it with the context that he is our joint top goalscorer this season?

Walton wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:00 pm

What if you also presented it with the context that he is our joint top goalscorer this season?

A better stat in its own right, still missing a lot of context and absolutely nothing to do with the point I made

All this proves (having watched him all season) is that you can make up any old nonsense under the title “stat” and make it look like something it isn’t.

I’d happily swap most shots on target but hardly any goals for centre ground of shots on target but some actually go in.

Amdouni isn’t what we need right now. His ineffectiveness is one of the reasons why we are where we are.

Walton wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:00 pm

What if you also presented it with the context that he is our joint top goalscorer this season?

With how many?

Exactly….

Arguing that someone isn’t that bad because he’s joint top scorer means nowt when the totals are so spectacularly low.
I’d hoped for so much from this lad, but it may just be that our style doesn’t suit him. I don’t think he’s a bad player, just not what we need.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:45 pm

With how many?

Exactly….

Arguing that someone isn’t that bad because he’s joint top scorer means nowt when the totals are so spectacularly low.
I’d hoped for so much from this lad, but it may just be that our style doesn’t suit him. I don’t think he’s a bad player, just not what we need.

An 'even better stat' would be his scoring frequency this season, which is once every 450 minutes of football.

Mattheus Cunha(one place below Zeki in shooting accuracy) scores once every 219 min, showing how utterly pointless the stat in the OP is.

Ball retention in key areas stat would be interesting. Am sure he has qualities, but so frustrating how he loses possession easily when we are trying to build play

For those asking for a stat with more context. This shows that his shot placement is better than average (so it's not just a case of hitting shots right at the keeper) but that goalkeepers have overperformed against them. Could suggest that he's been unlucky not to score more.

A great talent who with better service fron cm would get a bag full of goals.

An unbelievably talented young footballer who I think we're lucky to have.

Nobody has stood out this season because we've underperformed as a unit.

Zeki in a team playing well and full of confidence will be a handful. Hope to see this come to fruition at Burnley.

He is garbage ....zero effort ...never looks like scoring ...forever giving the ball away ...

He will not hack the championship ...

In the first half of the season I thought he looked like a really good technical footballer with great feet. A real prospect that we just needed to work out how to get the best out of.

In the last few months I think his form has completely bombed and he hasn't even looked close to being good enough for this level.

Add to that his perceived lack of work rate, desire etc and he's just looking like another player we vastly overpaid for.

The state contradict what I thought was a spelling mistake in the thread title

Mattster wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:59 pm

For those asking for a stat with more context. This shows that his shot placement is better than average (so it's not just a case of hitting shots right at the keeper) but that goalkeepers have overperformed against them. Could suggest that he's been unlucky not to score more.

Thanks for adding more context to my OP. I had simply highlighted a tweet that I found interesting, and, unpopular though it is, praised a Burnley player on this forum.

Some could pick holes and no doubt try to - e.g. your chart has mainly top players in the key bottom right section but also includes Morris and Maupay. Maybe some don’t score because they hit a corner bit not with power? But it does get to a point where the evidence is overwhelming, Zeki is very good at the hardest job in the Premier League, scoring goals.

It is so hard in this league. Look at young Ferguson - valued at £60m+, scored a lot last season, ranks high on the shots on target stats, but hasn’t scored in 4 months. Lots of strikers don’t track back much, that isn’t why they are picked (personally I would have had Berge in that number 10 role a bit like England do with Bellingham, but that isn’t Amdouni’s fault). We see it often, pick an extra striker, score fewer goals as a team. That was VK’s error I think.

Rick_Muller wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:25 am

The state contradict what I thought was a spelling mistake in the thread title

clearly I cannot edit my own (autocorrect) spelling mistake, but that should have been "stats" not "state"

If he stays, which I think is unlikely, he’ll probably be a very good Championship player, but a Premier League player he is not - at this moment in time anyway.

You need more than a good technique to succeed in the top flight.

wbfc wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:59 am

He is garbage ....zero effort ...never looks like scoring ...forever giving the ball away ...

He will not hack the championship ...

He's our top goalscorer

wbfc wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:59 am

He is garbage ....zero effort ...never looks like scoring ...forever giving the ball away ...

He will not hack the championship ...

lol He would tear that league apart. Clearly a good player just not what we need now

Half of Amdouni's shots looked like back-passes.

They were certainly accurate, if aiming at the keeper was his intention.

He's certainly a skillful player, but he just seems so lazy and looks to me as if he never puts a full shift in .

Don't most, if not all, managers say of strikers who are missing chances "he's getting in the right positions to earn the chances, the goals will come....blah blah"?

I'll be honest, the stat and the subsequent context added, does surprise me to an extent.

He's definitely struggled to have an impact in games, particularly post Christmas. But he's far from alone with that.

What I do find frustrating (but expected amongst any clubs fans really, considering our form and position) is the determination to talk our players down consistently.

Players such as Amdouni (and Trafford really) are still getting selected internationally, despite how apparently useless our fans profess them to be. There's potentially an argument that to an experienced international professional manager and leadership team, these players are international quality. They are young though, and maybe I'm naive, but I feel positivity from the stands is much more likely to see them progress.

Hope Amdouni and Trafford both come back from the international break with a renewed enthusiasm, and really show the talent that those 'in the know' clearly consider them to have.

Indecisive wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:01 pm

Hope Amdouni and Trafford both come back from the international break with a renewed enthusiasm, and really show the talent that those 'in the know' clearly consider them to have.

I haven't seen many questioning Amdouni's talent.

What they do seem to question is his ability to put in a shift - a minimum requirement in the PL.

Look at the City and Arsenal players.

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:16 pm

I haven't seen many questioning Amdouni's talent.

What they do seem to question is his ability to put in a shift - a minimum requirement in the PL.

Look at the City and Arsenal players.

You've kinda quoted a part of what I said to give the impression I'm just saying fans are saying he hasn't talent. I was trying to make a bigger point (beyond whats in this thread) of fans talking down and being hyper critical of their own players during tough times.

The criticism I've read about Amdouni and Trafford has been particularly brutal at times. I'd say probably more recently, these frustrations and criticisms have become clearer and more obvious within the ground.

I'm not questioning people's right to do it, or right to have an opinion. Defo don't want a row on that. My opinion is rather just that ultimately this is more likely to become a self fulfilling prophecy as young players confidence takes a hit.

I think this thread and the stats just suggest that maybe the level of criticism is sometimes more an emotive issue, and isn't indicative of their actual footballing ability.

Again, nothing to do with his actual footballing ability.

All to do with his application.

Semantics mate.

I heard someone say, for example, Trafford is the worst burnley goalkeeper since the early 90's. Some fans were ironically cheering him in recent games. Amdouni has had similar.

My point is. Despite how poor their application/effort/ability is in the eyes of some of our fans..... International managers are still selecting them.

To me, criticising a player is totally understandable. But the actual vitriol shown by a few towards these players is
Shown for what it is by both stats like this, and the international call ups. Anyway, can sense I'm falling down a rabbit hole here, so will respectfully retreat.

Back in August we signed a player who months before StatsBomb had described as the European Messi.

Now a few on here pan him for workrate.

OK, he hasn’t quite clicked as much as we would like, but his winger and striker partner have both been stuffed mid season, and we have lost confidence as a team. If we toss away players like Amdouni, our near record signing, there really is no hope for us as a club.

I’m 100% certain that if we signed Messi back in the day, a few folk would still whine and say “if I played for Burnley I’d run, so why the hell isn’t he doing it”.

Mind boggling.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:14 pm

the European Messi.

Eh ??

And it isn't just the work rate. The lad has a touch yeah, but he makes poor decisions and costs us possession too many times. Too many dolly shots to answer the OP

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:14 pm

Back in August we signed a player who months before StatsBomb had described as the European Messi.

Now a few on here pan him for workrate.

OK, he hasn’t quite clicked as much as we would like, but his winger and striker partner have both been stuffed mid season, and we have lost confidence as a team. If we toss away players like Amdouni, our near record signing, there really is no hope for us as a club.

I’m 100% certain that if we signed Messi back in the day, a few folk would still whine and say “if I played for Burnley I’d run, so why the hell isn’t he doing it”.

Mind boggling.

Amdouni isn't fit to lace Messi's boots and anybody who seriously compares the two is completely off their rocker.

If he was the European Messi, or anything even close, a club like Burnley wouldn't have a chance of signing him.

I’ve heard he can do more kick ups than any of the Everton players.

So come the end of the season, who will be the real winners?