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SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:16 pm
by Tricky Trevor
Just a one liner in todays paper reviews saying he gave Nathan Patterson a slap. He called it a nothing but if it is making the papers Patterson might have thought differently.
Anybody got updates?
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:22 pm
by Quicknick
Who is Nigel Patterson?
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:25 pm
by Bosscat
Quicknick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:22 pm
Who is Nigel Patterson?
Who is SD
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Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:26 pm
by Jakubclaret
He should have done it here to a few had he had we might not have been relegated.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:31 pm
by ClaretTony
Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:16 pm
Just a one liner in todays paper reviews saying he gave Nathan Patterson a slap. He called it a nothing but if it is making the papers Patterson might have thought differently.
Anybody got updates?
And all explained yesterday in the press conference
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:13 pm
by Elizabeth
For anybody who didn’t see the press conference Dyche admitted the slap and said the player did not appreciate it.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:19 pm
by beddie
Elizabeth wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:13 pm
For anybody who didn’t see the press conference Dyche admitted the slap and said the player did not appreciate it.
Mollycoddled babies. Imagine it being Fergie or Clough.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:23 pm
by Elizabeth
I saw Stan in the Burnley Tesco store this week and thought something similar
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:25 pm
by DCWat
beddie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:19 pm
Mollycoddled babies. Imagine it being Fergie or Clough.
Not sure, in this instance, that mollycoddled is right.
Back in Clough’s, and earlier in Ferguson’s career, this sort of thing might have been seen as just one of those things. These days, giving someone a slap, just shouldn’t happen.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:29 pm
by Elizabeth
Dyche attempted to play it down at the news conference but this is the type of thing the vultures wait for with their selective outrage
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:31 pm
by StayingDown4Ever
So he assaulted him?
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:48 pm
by Silkyskills1
They were on a 'jolly' in Portugal for a few days when it happened.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:50 pm
by Swizzlestick
Interesting comments from SD. Remembering reading about this a few weeks ago and it was brushed off as something and nothing but he’s made it sound like it was a bit more than that.
And how is ‘not liking being slapped in public’ “mollycoddled”? I’m sure you wouldn’t like your boss to do that, ‘joking’ or not.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:53 pm
by bfcmik
Elizabeth wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:29 pm
Dyche attempted to play it down at the news conference but this is the type of thing the vultures wait for with their selective outrage
In an age where a parent may not slap their own child, however gently, selective outrage is not required when someone slaps another person. Or, are there limits to what is deemed unacceptable because the person receiving the slap was a man?
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:59 pm
by ElectroClaret
Dyche..." I tapped him on the head like an older brother would and he didn't get the joke. It's really that simple.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Nothing in it really."
(BBC Sport)
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:11 pm
by Elizabeth
bfcmik wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:53 pm
In an age where a parent may not slap their own child, however gently, selective outrage is not required when someone slaps another person. Or, are there limits to what is deemed unacceptable because the person receiving the slap was a man?
I didn’t mean to go deep mik. Until I see anything different I will think of this as a playful act in a physical sport club training environment that has backfired on Dyche. I would be dismayed if it led to anything more serious.
I hope you agree that we live in an age where people are too quick to criticise while turning a blind eye to what they get up to
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:28 pm
by Clovius Boofus
Sounds like training ground falling out, and that's about it. I think if there had been anything more to this, you know, like a proper slap, there would be way more info in the press and SD most likely wouldn't still be in post.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:32 pm
by equinox
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:26 pm
He should have done it here to a few had he had we might not have been relegated.
Was that not half the problem?
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:45 pm
by basil6345789
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:59 pm
by equinox
Utc
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:49 pm
by Jakubclaret
equinox wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:32 pm
Was that not half the problem?
I'm not aware of Sean giving anybody a bitch slap during his tenure here he always came across as too mellow for any of that.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:57 pm
by blatherwickstattoos
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:49 pm
I'm not aware of Sean giving anybody a bitch slap during his tenure here he always came across as too mellow for any of that.
Maybe it wasn’t SD but his assistant and other coach who was suspended for bullying an u21 player?
Heard numerous tales
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:59 pm
by Jakubclaret
blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:57 pm
Maybe it wasn’t SD but his assistant and other coach who was suspended for bullying an u21 player?
Heard numerous tales
I'm not sure it's the first I've heard of it but I don't dispute there could be some truth in it. It wouldn't be the first example of people abusing their positions of power.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:06 pm
by Goliath
Dyche is an excellent manager but he really lets himself down with this stuff. He seems to make no effort to develop himself. I've always been a big fan but there's definitely a tinge of arrogance there now, I've heard him say in an interview that he would go to watch foreign teams train like some managers had done when out of work because he knows how to put on training sessions.
It came across as really narrow minded and it's not what I'd have heard from him when he first came to Burnley. Being in the promotion league and constantly receiving the negative labelling has not been good for him. There's a constant defensive barrier up now. This story will do him no favours.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:10 pm
by taio
Goliath wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:06 pm
Dyche is an excellent manager but he really lets himself down with this stuff. He seems to make no effort to develop himself. I've always been a big fan but there's definitely a tinge of arrogance there now, I've heard him say in an interview that he would go to watch foreign teams train like some managers had done when out of work because he knows how to put on training sessions.
It came across as really narrow minded and it's not what I'd have heard from him when he first came to Burnley. Being in the promotion league and constantly receiving the negative labelling has not been good for him. There's a constant defensive barrier up now. This story will do him no favours.
The story will have no bearing on his reputation or future. Nothing story.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:16 pm
by Goliath
taio wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:10 pm
The story will have no bearing on his reputation or future. Nothing story.
If the players didn't like it it will. If he doesn't get some results quickly he could be in big trouble.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:20 pm
by Jakubclaret
Goliath wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:16 pm
If the players didn't like it it will. If he doesn't get some results quickly he could be in big trouble.
Nobody better than SD they could attract not in light of their troubles & current position they need to be grateful they've got him could do hell of a lot worse.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:23 pm
by Goliath
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:20 pm
Nobody better than SD they could attract not in light of their troubles & current position they need to be grateful they've got him could do hell of a lot worse.
I agree he just doesn't help himself.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:25 pm
by taio
Goliath wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:16 pm
If the players didn't like it it will. If he doesn't get some results quickly he could be in big trouble.
On your second point, that could be the case irrespective of this nothing story.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:28 pm
by Jakubclaret
Goliath wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:23 pm
I agree he just doesn't help himself.
He's history now, he's not done to bad for himself with his limitations he's pragmatic enough to always be in job contention for clubs flirting with relegation. He'll never get a job at a bigger club than Everton I don't think.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:30 pm
by Goliath
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:28 pm
He's history now, he's not done to bad for himself with his limitations he's pragmatic enough to always be in job contention for clubs flirting with relegation. He'll never get a job at a bigger club than Everton I don't think.
Yep it's his own ego holding him back though. He doesn't accept that his limitations are actually limitations. It's all a media created narrative to him. He could have been brilliant if he'd develop his style of play slightly
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:33 pm
by Jakubclaret
Goliath wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:30 pm
Yep it's his own ego holding him back though. He doesn't accept that his limitations are actually limitations. It's all a media created narrative to him. He could have been brilliant if he'd develop his style of play slightly
He's never really had his hands on a big treasure chest so perhaps his limitations would have been more expansive had he, even at Everton he's had 1 arm tied behind his back.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:41 pm
by Goliath
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:33 pm
He's never really had his hands on a big treasure chest so perhaps his limitations would have been more expansive had he, even at Everton he's had 1 arm tied behind his back.
We don't know for sure but there was one occasion where he was given one of the biggest budgets in the division when we were relegated.
He used it to spend Lowton, Joey Barton and Andre Gray along with having Boyd and Arfield as the widemen. He could have changed the style then if he'd wanted to which suggests to me he's happy with the solid 442/4411.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:47 pm
by Jakubclaret
Goliath wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:41 pm
We don't know for sure but there was one occasion where he was given one of the biggest budgets in the division when we were relegated.
He used it to spend Lowton, Joey Barton and Andre Gray along with having Boyd and Arfield as the widemen. He could have changed the style then if he'd wanted to which suggests to me he's happy with the solid 442/4411.
Solid signings if you look at the outlay & overall output.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:18 pm
by boatshed bill
A "slap"? I've heard that term used for so many different extents of manual violence
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:27 pm
by Elizabeth
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:18 pm
A "slap"? I've heard that term used for so many different extents of manual violence
All a bit vague bill. Have you anything pertinent to disclose to give an idea of where you stand on this particular incident involving Dyche ?
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:06 am
by Colburn_Claret
I thought this story came out a week ago.
it was just a playful cuff that the recipient didn't appreciate. Tarks and another of the players went and told SD that the lad didn't like it, so SD went and apologised as he hadn't realised the kid had misunderstood.
At least that was the story I read.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:09 am
by boatshed bill
Elizabeth wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:27 pm
All a bit vague bill. Have you anything pertinent to disclose to give an idea of where you stand on this particular incident involving Dyche ?
No, it was a comment on the uses of the word rather than on this particular incident.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:10 am
by corporal jones
When putin invades a nato country and we have conscription soon after, let's hope we are not relying on Mr Patterson and his ilk.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:56 am
by Awayfromburnley
corporal jones wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:10 am
When putin invades a nato country and we have conscription soon after, let's hope we are not relying on Mr Patterson and his ilk.
Because a workplace slap is the same as the above.
No one should be slapped. Ever. Unless someome is acting in self defence.Simple as that.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:59 am
by Swizzlestick
Anybody in their right mind would be turning down conscription in those circumstances. Christ knows what this has to do with the topic in hand, but it’s very UTC to come up with wild hypothetical situations.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:53 am
by Bordeauxclaret
I’m using against International Breaks in the footy season but this particular break has created some proper mental threads and comments on here.
I think we need more of them.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:10 pm
by jojomk1
Seem to recall a story going round (at the time) that someone was "slapped" after the Norwich away game a couple of years ago
Or maybe I got that story wrong
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:44 pm
by boatshed bill
I've worked in some pretty rough places but i've never seen anyone slapped, punched, or given any other form of beating by a superior. It just doesn't happen.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:46 pm
by Tricky Trevor
Wasn’t it Steve Stone that had allegations whilst with our age group lads?
He’s still on SDs staff so it must have washed over if that was the case.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:26 pm
by Middle-agedClaret
My own view -FWIW - is that this story is much ado about nothing.
However, in a world where the actions detailed at the link can take place, there is probably a major criminal investigation taking place as I type…
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/tribu ... sons-hand/
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:00 pm
by bfcjg
The result today was a real slap in the face for Everton
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:21 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Twelve games without a win. I'd say he's in bother.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:50 pm
by Sproggy
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:21 pm
Twelve games without a win. I'd say he's in bother.
Their worst run in 29 years. Newcastle away then Burnley at home next. Lose those two and he might be seeking alternative employment.
Re: SD in bother
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:51 pm
by Rick_Muller
Sproggy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:50 pm
Their worst run in 29 years. Newcastle away then Burnley at home next. Lose those two and he might be seeking alternative employment.
Let’s hope he survives Newcastle away… and doesn’t get potted before playing us. Last thing we need is “new manager bounce”
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