I’ll say this now - if we keep hold of him next year, he will be the greatest signing Burnley have ever made. Give him a season in the championship and by the time we’re back up he’ll be flying and he is that £100m player we’ve heard about.

He’s 19 and putting up better stats than Dwight did for us at that age. Not only this, he’s got raw attributes which make him much more valuable. His dribbling, pace and two footed nature gives him a much higher ceiling than Dwight imo.

Also, to think we’ve got Koleosho in our ranks as well, we could have some very valuable talent.

Nah

We won't have a £100m player.

But the two you refer to - Odebert and Koleosho - are extremely promising.

If we go down they will tear Championship teams apart.

Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 2:20 pm

I’ll say this now - if we keep hold of him next year, he will be the greatest signing Burnley have ever made. Give him a season in the championship and by the time we’re back up he’ll be flying and he is that £100m player we’ve heard about.

He’s 19 and putting up better stats than Dwight did for us at that age. Not only this, he’s got raw attributes which make him much more valuable. His dribbling, pace and two footed nature gives him a much higher ceiling than Dwight imo.

Also, to think we’ve got Koleosho in our ranks as well, we could have some very valuable talent.

Odobert is promising, nothing more at the moment.
Yes he is quick, yes he can dribble, but his end product once he reaches the danger area is often lacking.

He hasn't had a good, full 90 minutes since Fulham away before Christmas.
Age is on his side and hopefully he will kick on and make an excellent player, he certainly seems to have the qualities required, but he needs to be more consistent with them.

£100m?? Never in my opinion.

I'm not sure. He hasn't really progressed in any aspect of his game since the start of the season. If anything he's got slightly worse.

Hopefully he can still.kick on though, there's clear talent there but he's incredibly soft.

Dwight is a 1-2 trick pony but he is super at those things and you can carve out a solid PL career doing that. Whether Wilson hits those heights with a different bag of talents remains to be seen. Great potential though and we were right to sign him, as with Koleosho.

IF we go down they’ll be competing with Benson and Zaroury for starts. They have proved themselves in the Championship.

A great talent and he will shine next year in the Premier league as we are staying up.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:20 pm

IF we go down they’ll be competing with Benson and Zaroury for starts. They have proved themselves in the Championship.

Not so sure Benson and Zaroury would want to stick around in the Championship after not featuring much for us this season. It's a motivation thing. They've been there and done it with Burnley. Might be time for a change.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:20 pm

IF we go down they’ll be competing with Benson and Zaroury for starts. They have proved themselves in the Championship.

I’m fairly sure Benson and Zaroury will be wanting out next season.

He will not end up being 5% as good as Jimmy Mac

He’s not that good . Gives the ball away a lot

Great potential but that's it at the moment, first 10 minutes yesterday he was unplayable but then by half time I'd forgot he was even on the pitch.
He needs to be consistent over 90 minutes then game on game before he gets anywhere near £100 million but he has bundles of ability it's up to him how far he goes

He’s a good, promising player that’s probably worth about what we initially shelled out for him.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 2:58 pm

Odobert is promising, nothing more at the moment.
Yes he is quick, yes he can dribble, but his end product once he reaches the danger area is often lacking.

He hasn't had a good, full 90 minutes since Fulham away before Christmas.
Age is on his side and hopefully he will kick on and make an excellent player, he certainly seems to have the qualities required, but he needs to be more consistent with them.

£100m?? Never in my opinion.

Fulham at home Odobert was excellent

Not sure why zaroury will be pushing for a move next season instead of playing in the championship.

He’s not setting the league alight for hull at the moment

I think he's got the tools to be a terrific player and has done remarkably well considering his age and the fact he's in his first season in England and English football.

He would probably have benefited from being given a break at times but he's carried a threat in pretty much every game despite our limitations as a team. Impossible to expect him to be a consistent threat over 90 minutes if the team cannot get him the ball in good areas consistently.

He'll have to tighten out of possession but that's to be expected at his age and experience.

I think we have a great player on our hands!.......He's improving all the time IMO.
Very unlucky not to score yesterday, that was a TOP save.

Why does Dwight McNeil need to be involved in the conversation?

One of four left wingers on our books. Five if JBG is classed as a left winger.

Has talent this young man as has Koleosho. Oh and Zaroury. I'll pass on Tresor

in what is a difficult season he is at least showing personality to have a go at players - that's quite big in his first season imho

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:50 pm

Fulham at home Odobert was excellent

He was very good in patches, drifting in and out of the game.
Hence my comment that his last game where he had an excellent 90 minutes was Fulham away.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:28 pm

He was very good in patches, drifting in and out of the game.
Hence my comment that his last game where he had an excellent 90 minutes was Fulham away.

Think it would be fair to say most wingers drift in and out of games, very few who are on it week in week out for 90+ minutes and if they are they aren’t available to Burnley

Fulham away, first half we wasn’t in the game at all

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:25 pm

He’s not that good . Gives the ball away a lot

Pele, George Best, Gascoigne and Maradonna were all very capable of giving the ball away.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:29 pm

Pele, George Best, Gascoigne and Maradonna were all very capable of giving the ball away.

Only a Burnley fan could put Odobert amongst Pele, George Best, Gazza and Maradona

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:49 pm

He’s a good, promising player that’s probably worth about what we initially shelled out for him.

If we sell him in the summer we will double our money on him. At least. Even if we're a Championship club.

I hope we don't though.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:55 pm

I think he's got the tools to be a terrific player and has done remarkably well considering his age and the fact he's in his first season in England and English football.

He would probably have benefited from being given a break at times but he's carried a threat in pretty much every game despite our limitations as a team. Impossible to expect him to be a consistent threat over 90 minutes if the team cannot get him the ball in good areas consistently.

He'll have to tighten out of possession but that's to be expected at his age and experience.

On your last point I can never make my mind up really.

We had this problem with Cornet as well, playing wide in a 442 is just a different position to the 433 role and I'm not sure he will ever be good at the defensive side in this system.

Ideally we need to put players in their best positions and he would probably be at his best staying higher up the pitch in a 433 as would most of the wingers we signed. The only one suited to the 442 was Koleosho.

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:22 pm

Think it would be fair to say most wingers drift in and out of games, very few who are on it week in week out for 90+ minutes and if they are they aren’t available to Burnley

Fulham away, first half we wasn’t in the game at all

So I presume that you would agree with me then that he would never be worth £100m, which was the post that I was replying to?

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:40 pm

Only a Burnley fan could put Odobert amongst Pele, George Best, Gazza and Maradona

Not sure about your understanding of English.
Most folk would understand what I implied...which was that some of the worlds greatest players would give the ball away at times and hence to say that Odobert isnt a high quality player for that specific reason isnt really very sensible.

I hope that's helped.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:27 pm

Not sure about your understanding of English.
Most folk would understand what I implied...which was that some of the worlds greatest players would give the ball away at times and hence to say that Odobert isnt a high quality player for that specific reason isnt really very sensible.

I hope that's helped.

You could have named any footballers in the world, could have named several well known footballers but you chose four of the best in football history

Goliath wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:14 pm

On your last point I can never make my mind up really.

We had this problem with Cornet as well, playing wide in a 442 is just a different position to the 433 role and I'm not sure he will ever be good at the defensive side in this system.

Ideally we need to put players in their best positions and he would probably be at his best staying higher up the pitch in a 433 as would most of the wingers we signed. The only one suited to the 442 was Koleosho.

I don't think any player gets a free pass on doing the hard yards without the ball, be it tracking back (I've seen Jesus as the last nan for Arsenal thus afternoon) or pressing. But its as much tactical understanding as anything else and that takes time for an instinctive ball player.

Think Brunn Larsen works fine in a 442 by the way but I don't think it's how VK expected us to set up pre season.

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:39 pm

You could have named any footballers in the world, could have named several well known footballers but you chose four of the best in football history

Well done for completely missing his obvious point

claretspice wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:41 pm

I don't think any player gets a free pass on doing the hard yards without the ball, be it tracking back (I've seen Jesus as the last nan for Arsenal thus afternoon) or pressing. But its as much tactical understanding as anything else and that takes time for an instinctive ball player.

Think Brunn Larsen works fine in a 442 by the way but I don't think it's how VK expected us to set up pre season.

Yep not many get the free pass. I'd say Salah these days and probably a few others, I didn't necessarily mean that. But staying higher and getting support in the defensive side from an extra midfielder.

Yep I nearly included JBL in being fine in a 442 but his best asset is his movement in behind into goalscoring positions. He sniffs out chances and again that's probably done best from that higher position. He is solid enough at the defensive work though compared to Odobert

He did not look out of place yesterday against mega money international players...…..could easily have been playing for chelski yesterday...

Targetman wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:21 pm

So I presume that you would agree with me then that he would never be worth £100m, which was the post that I was replying to?

I didn’t suggest you were wrong to say he won’t be worth 100m, I just replied to another game in which I thought he was excellent.

I don’t think he’s shown enough to say that he will be worth 100m but neither did Declan rice when he first played at turf moor.

With the sort of fees that get thrown at around now, no reason at all why 30m can’t be the minimum for him

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:40 pm

Only a Burnley fan could put Odobert amongst Pele, George Best, Gazza and Maradona

That's not how the comparison works. He isn't saying "Odobert is as good as these players."

He is saying, "Even the very best in the world ever aren't faultless so let's judge Odobert accordingly."

Edit: I replied before I saw that Fatboy47 had clarified it himself. In this instance, you've got the wrong end of the stick.

It shows what transfer fees are though because Enzo went for 107m and was worse than pretty much the whole Burnley team on Saturday.

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:11 am

I didn’t suggest you were wrong to say he won’t be worth 100m, I just replied to another game in which I thought he was excellent.

I don’t think he’s shown enough to say that he will be worth 100m but neither did Declan rice when he first played at turf moor.

With the sort of fees that get thrown at around now, no reason at all why 30m can’t be the minimum for him

I was replying to the original post on this thread which stated Odobert would be worth £100m if he stays with us in the Championship next season.

I don't think you can compare Declan Rice with Odobert, playing wise or transfer fee wise.
I'm not sure when Rice first played at Turf Moor for West Ham, maybe 3 or 4 years ago? Of course he wouldn't have looked a £100m footballer at that stage of his career, particularly as that is a huge amount of money even several years later at this present time.

Declan Rice though always had something about him even at that young age, you could tell very early in his career that he would go on to bigger things with both club and country. In fact I'm pretty sure that he will take over the captaincy of England from Harry Kane at some stage.

Are those type of qualities apparent in Wilson Oderbert at a similar time in this early stage of his career, I would say no. Some players develop later than others and I'm sure that Odobert will go on to have a successful career in the game. I'm absolutely certain however that he will never be transferred for £100m, and that was the point that I was making in my reply to the original post on this thread.

Koleosho might well turn out to be the better player of the 2 young lads that will be fighting for that left wing spot when he is fully fit again.

It would be fantastic for our club to have 2 excellent young prospects in our squad so lets hope that both Odobert and Koleosho can develop into consistently, exciting players.

Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 31, 2024 2:20 pm

He’s 19 and putting up better stats than Dwight did for us at that age.

He's not.
I did a pretty comprehensive dig into their respective stats a few weeks ago the last time "Odobert is better than McNeil at the same age" was floated round, mostly going off FBref. Only measure he beats McNeil on when you drill into it is 1v1 dribbles. They're hard to compare because:
1- different style of player, attacking winger/wide forward vs orthodox wideman
2- different team approach, not all 442s are the same
3- Dwight was our primary creative outlet, Odobert less so, though could be argued Dwight MADE himself it rather than was appointed it.

But McNeil is significantly better on chance creation, goal contributing actions, their passing was similar but McNeil's a shade better overall and MUCH better at distance, McNeil outperformed his xG enormously at 19 (as has Odobert, they almost match on this, more or less even) but McNeil actually had higher expected assists than assists that first season and his was way, way better- in other words, he actually would have got more assists given a few ones you'd expect to be converted that weren't. His creativity was extraordinary for a 19 year old. All this with better defensive work by a country mile too.

This is not to say in any way that Odobert is a bad player. He's not. He's probably more 2 footed than Dwight, he's faster, he's a more explosive and flashy dribbler (Although Dwight's dribbling was underrated for us because of how much defensive work he ended up taking on). I'd say Odobert at 19 is better than McNeil at 21-22. Not better than McNeil at 19-20, certainly not better than McNeil now who has improved his goal threat massively at Everton.

Still think Odobert will develop, think we'll make good money on him when he's inevitably sold, and I think that before he is, he should develop into a really really good creative player for us.

But I would be very surprised if he comes close to "the best signing we ever made". He's raw and has talent, but he can be very anonymous especially played centrally- he got the assist for Fofana vs Brentford but had been entirely absent before that and absent for several games. He can make a couple flashy runs but a lot of the time they don't achieve much (similar to Koleosho, electric dribbler but wasn't as productive as you might hope). Odobert is also shockingly loose in possession and very poor at pressing, showing for the ball in midfield, and defensively nonexistent. There's times he simply doesn't move to receive passes in midfield, let alone help his fullback- Vitinho LB is suicide with Odobert ahead of him.

Again these criticisms don't make him "not a good player" or "not a promising player". But he has huge, huge flaws to his game that Burnley fans ought to be able to see as they've affected us at times, I think barring the odd moment he's stagnated/slightly declined for a few months now (Not shocking given his age, but again, realistic expectations on a 19 year old). I genuinely think if you're going to play a mercurial in out winger with defensive weaknesses who can pull off moments of brilliance, Benson is the better option, or at the very least the obvious sub rotation, and that if the intention is for both wingers to contribute more in buildup & defence, Gudmundsson and Larsen are better options, based on CURRENT ability, even if Odobert has a higher ceiling than them.

Just to put his age into context, he's three years behind Olise for example. Two years behind Cole Palmer. Five years behind McNeil.

He's doing very well to be putting in even half decent performances in the Premier League at 19 years old. He must have a high ceiling for sure. No certainties he reaches that though.