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Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:43 pm
by Juan Tanamera
I know we should have defended it better, but that was never a free kick in my opinion and we go in at half time with our tails up.
Overall a great performance that I thought deserved 3 points.
Glass still half full.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:47 pm
by bfcjg
If you trip yourself up and get a free kick it's time to seriously question the honesty of officials and VAR
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:48 pm
by SouthamptonClaret
From Sky sports....
"We've just seen the replay of the "foul" that led to the Sarabia free-kick and boy it's so soft. Ait-Nouri loses his balance rather than is fouled but referee Thomas Bramall disagreed. Terrible call from the official".
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:51 pm
by JimmyRobbo
It's just another example of where players are never penalised, retrospectively, for diving. In fact, they're regularly rewarded. The result is that refs give the softest cr@p as a foul.
I find it just as frustrating that a number of their players fell over having fouled; pretended to be injured; then let off a card.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:51 pm
by Aclaret
Not sure if it's the incompetent refs or the Footballing God's that don't want us in the Premier league.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:52 pm
by gsyclaret
Nobody was anywhere near him when he fell over, unbelievable
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:52 pm
by warksclaret
We can't influence referring or VAR decisions, and its a fact more go against you when you are at the bottom. What you can influence however is poor defending, and taking your chances. It will be these two factors that relegate us, not referring decisions
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:53 pm
by BurnleyFC
The whole of the stadium, apart from the pillock in the middle, could see it wasn’t a foul.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:00 pm
by ElectroClaret
Poor decision and we've had a fair few of those against us, but
they're not the reason we are where we are.
Two home wins tells it's own tale.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:03 pm
by warksclaret
We needed to be playing like we have in the last 4 matches, at the start of the season. We may then have had a chance of averaging a point a game and fractionally over, and so staying up
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:05 pm
by IPAclaret
Ait-Nouri is another in a long line of cheats
All sides are bad but Wolves are particularly annoying
I'll just fall over, scream like a little girl and get another free kick from which we score from to deny Burnley a much needed and deserved 3 points. Piece of pi is this football lark.
Why the refs can't see what everyone else can is baffling
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:09 pm
by summitclaret
Couldn't give a sh1t. If we can defend a free kick like that we don't deserve to win.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:12 pm
by Somethingfishy
From where I was in the JHU I don't think he dived. He tried to do one of those fancy turns where they flick the ball the other way and change direction in one movement and he fell over the ball...just as O' Shea ran past him. No contact at all. I'll need to watch it back but it looks like another in a long line of rank bad decisions against us. Yes we should have defended it better but we should never have needed to defend it.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:15 pm
by what_no_pies
It wasn't a foul and it wasn't a dive. He twisted himself into a knot and fell over.
Why didn't VAR intervene. The clearest and most obvious of the lot so far led directly to a goal and they didn't sort it out. Why not?
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:18 pm
by JohnDearyMe
summitclaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:09 pm
Couldn't give a sh1t. If we can defend a free kick like that we don't deserve to win.
But the free kick never happens if the ref does his job. Appalling decision
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:20 pm
by AmbleClaret
IPAclaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:05 pm
Ait-Nouri is another in a long line of cheats
All sides are bad but Wolves are particularly annoying
I'll just fall over, scream like a little girl and get another free kick from which we score from to deny Burnley a much needed and deserved 3 points. Piece of pi is this football lark.
Why the refs can't see what everyone else can is baffling
You don't get relegated because of one free kick. 2 home wins by April however ......
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:21 pm
by Buxtonclaret
Should never have been given.
Not close to a foul.
Having said that, that header wasn't the only free one we gave them on goal tonight.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:22 pm
by Loyalclaret
what_no_pies wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:15 pm
It wasn't a foul and it wasn't a dive. He twisted himself into a knot and fell over.
Why didn't VAR intervene. The clearest and most obvious of the lot so far led directly to a goal and they didn't sort it out. Why not?
I donr know the answer but when would VAR start the review from? Before the free kick or after it is taken?
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:23 pm
by SPC&G
Looked like he tripped over himself from JHU 4 but I would like to see it again. Well. I won’t like it but you know what I mean. I was happy with the performance though. Probably left it too late but, if we can keep the bulk of this squad I’m optimistic for next season.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:24 pm
by dermotdermot
It was never a foul. He seemed to just spiral himself down. Totally unfair.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:25 pm
by what_no_pies
I seem to recall corners that shouldn't have been corners being reviewed and goals chalked off. Why have VAR if its not going to sort that out?
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:26 pm
by Swizzlestick
Even from my vantage point on Longside Upper you could see that he just fell over but, as Vinny highlighted the other day, the officiating has just been appalling this season.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:31 pm
by what_no_pies
Just showed my wife the incident on my phone. She normally doesn't take even the slightest bit of interest but 'he just fell over' was her comment and even she was questioning how the officials can get that so badly wrong between them.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:32 pm
by THEWELLERNUT70
Cr@p decision AGAIN compounded by cr@p defending at a set piece AGAIN
There's nothing more to dissect on the incident
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:38 pm
by Robbie_painter
Terrible decision it’s happening right in front of us and nothing happens.We don’t do **** all
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:41 pm
by AmbleClaret
Robbie_painter wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:38 pm
Terrible decision it’s happening right in front of us and nothing happens.We don’t do **** all
I don't know of any fans from any team who doesn't want to scrap VAR. Maybe there should be a mass boycott of games focused on one weekend. That'd show 'em.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:42 pm
by claptrappers_union
As fans, we need to start protesting the quality of decisions by poor referees this season. We need banners, booing the Premier League Anthem or something. Action needs to be taken.
I genuinely believe there's a conspiracy, and Howard Webb needs to resign.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:42 pm
by Cirrus_Minor
A very soft free kick from where I sat, but we do see those every game in the Premier league. But the defending from it was very poor.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:45 pm
by Stayingup
It happened in front of us and he fell over the ball. Twisted and fell over it. A joke of a decision given that the referee was right there. But poor defending for the header. What a good performance from us. I thought Brun Larsen scored a very nice goal but should really have buried the chance in the second half that was saved.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:45 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
It’s not a soft free kick as it’s not even a bloody foul he literally trips himself up with the Burnley player two yards away from him as the replays show.
Horrendous decision again as was letting Wolves players off from yellow cards after cynical fouls by rolling round pretending they’d injured themselves.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:46 pm
by Robbie_painter
AmbleClaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:41 pm
I don't know of any fans from any team who doesn't want to scrap VAR. Maybe there should be a mass boycott of games focused on one weekend. That'd show 'em.
Zee Germans would do.Worst I’ve seen yet thay one
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:47 pm
by Stayingup
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:42 pm
As fans, we need to start protesting the quality of decisions by poor referees this season. We need banners, booing the Premier League Anthem or something. Action needs to be taken.
I genuinely believe there's a conspiracy, and Howard Webb needs to resign.
If the current lot are dispensed with and a few of them should be dispensed with, where are the better referees going to come from? Abroad? It's a thought.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:48 pm
by Vegas Claret
Loads of us said we wished we could have stayed in the Championship, there was a reason and we've seen it most of the season. Worlds best league (it's not) with some horrific officials
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:48 pm
by NewClaret
ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:00 pm
Poor decision and we've had a fair few of those against us, but
they're not the reason we are where we are.
Two home wins tells it's own tale.
Equally, I don’t think we’d be in the relegation zone had the countless bad refereeing decisions not occurred.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:50 pm
by Elizabeth
The simple answer is that it wasn't a foul. The pace of the game is so great you see these given all the time so no special criticism of the ref from me.
I wouldn't be too harsh on the defending of a great free kick delivery.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:51 pm
by claptrappers_union
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:48 pm
Equally, I don’t think we’d be in the relegation zone had the countless bad refereeing decisions not occurred.
I agree with this. It's almost every week now.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:56 pm
by Boss Hogg
Never a free kick but our set piece coach needs firing.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:58 pm
by wilks_bfc
The reason why VAR didn’t intervene is because it can’t overturn “fouls” outside the area
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:01 pm
by ClaretJimmy
Two Leeds supporting family watching the game at home text straight away saying never a foul, and they're normally harsh on us for obvious reasons.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:32 pm
by Vegas Claret
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:37 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Be interesting to know what the delay was after their goal and what the ref would have done if we’d scored from the kick off.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:38 pm
by wilks_bfc
If this is true then heads really should roll
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:40 pm
by morpheus2
It's not even a 'soft' foul as described.... and what makes it even more ridiculous the referee was in a perfect position to see it was not a foul. I'm fuming.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:41 pm
by Burnley Ace
I’m watching and re-watching on the Sky highlights and still can’t see any contact?
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:43 pm
by DCWat
Wow - that is really, really poor.
I sort of get that VAR can’t go too far back, but what are the rules about when VAR is used from (they’d probably still have got it wrong)?
Surely, if a goal comes directly from a set piece, they really should review the awarding of the free kick or corner to ensure the correct outcome.
These decisions are getting silly now - it’s starting to feel beyond bad luck.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:54 pm
by JohnMac
Whilst players are rewarded for cheating the Coaching staff will encourage it.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:00 am
by dsr
Nothing VAR could do. The delay would presumably be looking for offside.
The problem is that refs are taught to give free kicks essentially whenever a PL player asks for one, unless they are certain there was no foul. If a player falls over, and they aren't sure, they will give the free kick.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:02 am
by MT03ALG
gsyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:52 pm
Nobody was anywhere near him when he fell over, unbelievable
O'Shea was near him but just ran past him without looking like he touched him. Blind or biased referee.
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:07 am
by Jimmymaccer
wilks_bfc wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:38 pm
If this is true then heads really should roll
This one is really interesting…………..if VAR were having dialogue even just saying no, that wasn’t a foul but nowt we can do, that’d explain the farcical moments after ……….cant clubs insist on hearing the dialogue?
Either way. Getting totally bored of Premier League refereeing discussions…………..which in itself just shows how crap it is…….
Re: Free Kick Or No Free Kick
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:11 am
by Superjohnnyfrancis
dsr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:00 am
Nothing VAR could do. The delay would presumably be looking for offside.
The problem is that refs are taught to give free kicks essentially whenever a PL player asks for one, unless they are certain there was no foul. If a player falls over, and they aren't sure, they will give the free kick.
Absolutely brain dead decision from Bramall. I think half the time refs just guess its a foul. Could have easily asked var if it was a foul. Robbed again by a crap ref.