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Pretty sure it was reported earlier in the season the number of appearances was triggered and the 15m was to start being paid this summer.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:28 pmit surely has to be that we haven't triggered enough appearances to buy him (on purpose)
yeah, think about it logically - can you honestly say with a straight face that FIVE appearances would trigger a clause as was reported ? It makes zero senseNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:29 pmPretty sure it was reported earlier in the season the number of appearances was triggered and the 15m was to start being paid this summer.
I believe the report specifically mentioned 10 apps.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:31 pmyeah, think about it logically - can you honestly say with a straight face that FIVE appearances would trigger a clause as was reported ? It makes zero sense
I've only seen 5, but 10 also makes zero sense. Either way it's a huge shame for usNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:33 pmI believe the report specifically mentioned 10 apps.
I haven’t seen anything from any sources to say that it wasn’t accurate, typically it would have been rebuffed by now.
I also believe VK was asked about it at the time and refused to comment (read into that what you will)
Got to imagine we could at least get 6-7 million back if we shifted him on this summer.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:36 pmI've only seen 5, but 10 also makes zero sense. Either way it's a huge shame for us
I doubt we've signed him but I'm very often wrong (as I'm sure you have noticed, I pride myself in a 3/10 correct ratioNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:38 pmGot to imagine we could at least get 6-7 million back if we shifted him on this summer.
Either that or send on loan and hope he has a blinder in Europe somewhere
)Given your 3 out 10 ratio of being correct how do we know it is not 2 out of 10 or less?Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:41 pmI doubt we've signed him but I'm very often wrong (as I'm sure you have noticed, I pride myself in a 3/10 correct ratio
ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:55 pmGiven your 3 out 10 ratio of being correct how do we know it is not 2 out of 10 or less?
I like it !!!!When Chris Wood signed on loan for Forest his permanent deal was triggered after he made 3 appearances, so it can happen. I imagine it's an FFP thing. Fingers crossed it's not the case with Tresor, though.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:31 pmyeah, think about it logically - can you honestly say with a straight face that FIVE appearances would trigger a clause as was reported ? It makes zero sense
Wood has done well for them. Our best striker of the EPL era.mickleoverclaret wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:18 amWhen Chris Wood signed on loan for Forest his permanent deal was triggered after he made 3 appearances, so it can happen. I imagine it's an FFP thing. Fingers crossed it's not the case with Tresor, though.
Normally I err towards giving a player more time to settle in, get used to our style of play/his new surroundings but Tresor has been SO poor when he's come on; lazy, slow, a totally unacceptable work rate. Last season Foster was visibly trying; making runs, having a go at goal. We've had none of this from Tresor. His first half away at Brentford was an absolute disgrace of a performance.Foshiznik wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:20 amGiven the severe restrictions in his opportunities to impress, i find it difficult to comprehend the majority view of writing him off so quickly to be honest.
I'm sure we all thought the same of Lyle Foster and Sander Berge after the same amount of minutes and look how they have turned out to be mainstays in our starting 11 now.
So all of us who didn't think the same of Foster or Berge are fine to write him off I guess. As he's been awful when he's played and clearly has no part in our plans I feel pretty comfortable doing so.
Completely agree with your point but i still feel it is harsh as he's only played 14 Premier League games and only 4 of them have been for more than 45 minutes (3 of them coming during his first 5 games at the club). In fact, 8 of them have been for only 16 minutes or less coming on as a sub during a really bad run of performances from everyone in the team.LDNBFC87 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:47 amNormally I err towards giving a player more time to settle in, get used to our style of play/his new surroundings but Tresor has been SO poor when he's come on; lazy, slow, a totally unacceptable work rate. Last season Foster was visibly trying; making runs, having a go at goal. We've had none of this from Tresor. His first half away at Brentford was an absolute disgrace of a performance.
I'm not sure you've read my comment correctly but horses for courses.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:51 amSo all of us who didn't think the same of Foster or Berge are fine to write him off I guess. As he's been awful when he's played and clearly has no part in our plans I feel pretty comfortable doing so.
And you ought to be proud of that. This board's full of 'in the know' experts who don't manage that sort of success rate... Well, apart from on those occasions when they ignore what they wrote last month and say something entirely different after the event.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:41 pm...I'm very often wrong (as I'm sure you have noticed, I pride myself in a 3/10 correct ratio
It's because he's a Cam first, then a left winger and sometimes a very very very rare right winger, Kompany only seems to play him in his weakest position, we've not seen the best of him yet, when he gets a prolonged run on the left wing a lot of fans will be left with egg on their face's
If you look at it in all the windows we have had under kompany, majority of our better signings have all been loan signings.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:12 amWhen you realise that Burnley FC have spent circa £60m on Tresor, Amdouni, Ramsey, and Trafford it’s easy to understand why this season has been such a car crash.
The best possible outcome for all involved is that the club have found a way not to sign Tresor and he’s going back in the summer. Reports earlier in the season seemed fairly confident we’d actually signed him though so I’m not holding out much hope. An absolutely appalling player.
Well we have signed some good players as well like O’Shea, Berge, Koleosho, and Odobert, but there’s no getting away from the fact that our 4 big money signings have flopped very badly and we look a much better team without any of them playing.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:20 amIf you look at it in all the windows we have had under kompany, majority of our better signings have all been loan signings.
Money spent on McNally, twine, churlinov and then this season Trafford, Tresor, Ramsey and Amdouni all seem a waste of money
Vinny has no other choice as he is painfully out of his depth at Premier League level.
Have we ever seen him when chasing a game and when we are having a lot of possession?getbennyon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:32 amVinny has no other choice as he is painfully out of his depth at Premier League level.
Every time he plays, his value drops...best to pretend there have been other circumstances(when leaving him out) to try and hold value.
I think it's easier to accept that not every signing works out rather than another life scenario.Goliath wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:42 amHave we ever seen him when chasing a game and when we are having a lot of possession?
I definitely saw some technically really good play from him but having him wide meant he needed to do a lot defensively which he's never going to do. It would have been nice to see him in the role Odobert had the other day, I would imagine with the space that was opening up centrally he's more likely to pick out a killer pass than Odobert is.
Sure. Although that doesn't really lead to much discussion which isn't ideal for a messageboardgetbennyon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:57 amI think it's easier to accept that not every signing works out rather than another life scenario.
I just don't think you're seeing this.Goliath wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:42 amHave we ever seen him when chasing a game and when we are having a lot of possession?
I definitely saw some technically really good play from him but having him wide meant he needed to do a lot defensively which he's never going to do. It would have been nice to see him in the role Odobert had the other day, I would imagine with the space that was opening up centrally he's more likely to pick out a killer pass than Odobert is.
Agree and Odobert is only 19 while Tresor is 24.dougcollins wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:45 pmI just don't think you're seeing this.
Odobert knows he has to defend - Tresor apparently doesn't.
A player who is only functional when all is going well for the team isn't a player we need on the pitch.
Not sure that’s totally correct either every time I have seen him there has been an effort to defend it is just that he isn’t very good at it. Technically you can see he is a very good player just not suited to us this season and when he has played for the most part he has been out of position and getting 5-10 minutes here and there less for a couple of games. If he is with us next season I firmly believe he will be very good but he won’t be here he will go back to his parent club.dougcollins wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:45 pmI just don't think you're seeing this.
Odobert knows he has to defend - Tresor apparently doesn't.
A player who is only functional when all is going well for the team isn't a player we need on the pitch.
I agree but he clearly has some exceptional technical qualities. I'm surprised we've not tried to use them when we are behind in games more often. More from the Number 10 role which is the one position where you can sort of get away without defending very welldougcollins wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:45 pmI just don't think you're seeing this.
Odobert knows he has to defend - Tresor apparently doesn't.
A player who is only functional when all is going well for the team isn't a player we need on the pitch.
So it’s the manager’s fault then? He buys a player, or should I say gets him in on account then doesn’t know how best to play him?AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:18 amIt's because he's a Cam first, then a left winger and sometimes a very very very rare right winger, Kompany only seems to play him in his weakest position, we've not seen the best of him yet, when he gets a prolonged run on the left wing a lot of fans will be left with egg on their face's
Agree with your general view here but do Martinelli, Anthony, Sterling or Saka do much defensively from wide? I’d say no.Goliath wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:11 pmI agree but he clearly has some exceptional technical qualities. I'm surprised we've not tried to use them when we are behind in games more often. More from the Number 10 role which is the one position where you can sort of get away without defending very well
Anthony does tbf. He's crap going the other way though.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:59 pmAgree with your general view here but do Martinelli, Anthony, Sterling or Saka do much defensively from wide? I’d say no.
I don’t think it is the most vital attribute in attackers. Handy, yes. But our weakness has been creation. Hence we are near bottom of all tables regarding that aspect. That is why we will drop. The way VK sets up, we needed 2-3 in every game.
But if Tresor got a record 21 assists from the left wing in Belgium, then surely that is our 'creation'?CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:59 pm
I don’t think it is the most vital attribute in attackers. Handy, yes. But our weakness has been creation. Hence we are near bottom of all tables regarding that aspect. That is why we will drop. The way VK sets up, we needed 2-3 in every game.
He played on the left v Liverpool and did OK.Alanstevensonsgloves wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:23 pmBut if Tresor got a record 21 assists from the left wing in Belgium, then surely that is our 'creation'?
Especially since koleosho is out.
Why don't we play him there? Seems harsh to criticize the lad based on being played out of position...
It was absolutely brassic that night against Luton. All the subs had the warm gear on and none will have wanted to come on for the last 10 minutes.
If he can't hack playing 10 minutes in the cold then he's in the wrong country.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:28 pmIt was absolutely brassic that night against Luton. All the subs had the warm gear on and none will have wanted to come on for the last 10 minutes.
Anyone judging him on that performance wants him to fail.
He has come from that tropical paradise of Belgiummickleoverclaret wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:31 pmIf he can't hack playing 10 minutes in the cold then he's in the wrong country.