Which is the worst

1. The Berge handball decision forest away
2. Not checking the handball Bournemouth away
3. Not giving koleosho pen first half West Ham at home
4. The penalty against us at Villa away
5. Foul on Trafford Luton at home
6. JBL disallowed goal Bournemouth at home
7. Penalty and red against assignon Chelsea away
8. Ait-Nouri dive wolves at home

Numbers 8,5,7 my top 3

To be honest 123, whilst a fair summary and good question……

And despite us still having a very slim chance……….

I really CBA with the Premier League …………………….

it hasn't happened yet

How many points have we dropped because of inaccurate refereeing/VAR decisions ? I have lost count.

No guarantees in any of the games but id like to think we would be at least 8 points better off had VAR made correct decisions

MT03ALG wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:00 am

How many points have we dropped because of inaccurate refereeing/VAR decisions ? I have lost count.

The more shocking bit is how many points have we gained benefiting from inaccurate refereeing decisions. It should balance out. But my honest guess is 0 points. No wonder people mention bias/conspiracies etc.

There was a handball decision a few weeks ago (was it West Ham?) with Berge right at the end which we 100% got away with. Other than that I can’t think of anything.

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:45 pm

8. Ait-Nouri dive wolves at home

Ait-Nouri didn't dive. That gives the ref some justification in making the decision. Ait-Nouri lost his balance but ref fancied giving Wolves a free-kick.

The most shocking one is only two home wins.
That's killed us.

The ridiculous decision to keep Muric sat on his backside until it's probably
too late is also material to our pending demotion.

Every single team in the PL would point out dodgy reffing against them,
but make no mistake, we're the architects of our own downfall.

up_the_clarets_1989 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:38 am

There was a handball decision a few weeks ago (was it West Ham?) with Berge right at the end which we 100% got away with. Other than that I can’t think of anything.

He headed the ball on to his own arm, even if they wanted to give a penalty, they can't, it just isn't one.

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:45 am

The most shocking one is only two home wins.
That's killed us.

The ridiculous decision to keep Muric sat on his backside until it's probably
too late is also material to our pending demotion.

Every single team in the PL would point out dodgy reffing against them,
but make no mistake, we're the architects of our own downfall.

It’s entirely possible to be of the view that the club have made lots of mistakes this season, whilst also accepting that we’ve been on the wrong end of several decisions that have cost us points.

I really don’t see the need to evangelically point out the former on every thread. It’s as if folk are scared others might not be viewing the season in exactly the same way they do.

Anyway, for me the Berge handball was the worst of the lot. We’d played well that night and who knows what an early away win would have done for our confidence. It also indirectly led to Foster being sent off and us being without him for 3 games.

Last night was the worst for me,absolutely shocking from the ref.

up_the_clarets_1989 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:38 am

There was a handball decision a few weeks ago (was it West Ham?) with Berge right at the end which we 100% got away with. Other than that I can’t think of anything.

We didn’t get away with anything Berge heads it first and it then hits his arm those are never given for anyone

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:45 am

The most shocking one is only two home wins.
That's killed us.

The ridiculous decision to keep Muric sat on his backside until it's probably
too late is also material to our pending demotion.

Every single team in the PL would point out dodgy reffing against them,
but make no mistake, we're the architects of our own downfall.

Agree, but number 1 is the worst decision.

The Chelsea penalty was bad enough,but it sunk to a new low last night with a free kick for tripping yourself up. Premier league C A F.

You will find the replay for the dive last night at the link below if you scroll down to VKs interview. We were didn't defend the FK anywhere near good enough, but shouldn't have had anything to defend. Another shocker that goes under the radar for the PL.

https://www.skysports.com/football/burn ... ort/482894

SSN highlighting VK saying don't focus on the goal, but the free kick that led to it, then SSN show a completely different incident.
Who the **** does the editing, a horse fiddler or PGMOL.

1, 7, 8.

1- 6 pointer that happened at a time early enough that a result might have sent us down a better path, outrageous decision with blatant double standards.

7 & 8- cost us 4 points when we finally have a bit of momentum and our tails up, feels like the Prem telling us we're not allowed to rally and save ourselves.

There's been a lot of bad calls and I don't think 7 or 8 are top 3 in the sense of "most obviously incorrect decision", but in terms of worst impact on us I put them there just due to the timing of it as we finally seem to turn a corner

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:43 am

SSN highlighting VK saying don't focus on the goal, but the free kick that led to it, then SSN show a completely different incident.
Who the **** does the editing, a horse fiddler or PGMOL.

they've also got player stats from Bournemouth v Palace in the write up on that link

I'm still amazed that some folk refuse to see Sander Berge upper arm movement towards the ball on the Forest one. It's subtle but it's there and helps the ball towards his path. It's a soft decision that could go either way without too much complaint from me - the fact that VAR gets involved and its still ambiguous highlights the wider problem for me.

ArmchairDetective wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:31 am

The more shocking bit is how many points have we gained benefiting from inaccurate refereeing decisions. It should balance out. But my honest guess is 0 points. No wonder people mention bias/conspiracies etc.

The only one that comes to my mind is Luton away when they probably should have had a penalty late on.

what_no_pies wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:09 am

I'm still amazed that some folk refuse to see Sander Berge upper arm movement towards the ball on the Forest one. It's subtle but it's there and helps the ball towards his path. It's a soft decision that could go either way without too much complaint from me - the fact that VAR gets involved and its still ambiguous highlights the wider problem for me.

Didn’t the PGMOL issue an apology to us for that decision?

Was a shocker.

And if it’s ambiguous, why did they overturn the goal?

The one at Forest is the worst, and it was the telly ref behind it. One of those where they went trawling through footage for anything which could get a perfectly good goal disallowed. Not even a Forest fan appealed for it, totally killed our mini-revival, Foster got (deservedly) sent off soon after but it would never have happened of course..

The one last night was obviously terrible but like so many English refs, anytime a player goes to ground, it's a free kick. You watch European football, and the refs let loads more go. Our game is actually the least physical now, whereas we used to pride ourselves on it. Dives and 'contact' are generally ignored by refs on the continent, weirdly they actually need to see a foul to give a free kick.

what_no_pies wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:09 am

I'm still amazed that some folk refuse to see Sander Berge upper arm movement towards the ball on the Forest one. It's subtle but it's there and helps the ball towards his path. It's a soft decision that could go either way without too much complaint from me - the fact that VAR gets involved and its still ambiguous highlights the wider problem for me.

Thanks for your input Howard.

1,5,7 and 8. Refereeing standard has been appalling this season.

1 and 5. Some other bad ones on that list but those two actually cost us goals, last night was a bad decision and wasn't a foul but at least we could still have done something about it, obviously defend the free kick better.

The Berge handball and the no foul on Trafford calls both happened late in games that we drew and had they been called correctly we (probably) win them both.

Add in the fact that those two games were against the two sides currently directly above us in the league, they're clearly the worst and most damaging of a long list of awful officiating that we've been on the wrong end of.

The worst one out of the lot isn't even on your list. Blatant handball from the last man at Villa. Fecking bats the ball into his own path so he can bring it under control.

You've also missed Alexis McAllister whacking Ramsey in the shins in the build up to the Liverpool goal away which was 100% a foul but Ramsey didn't go down.

what_no_pies wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:09 am

I'm still amazed that some folk refuse to see Sander Berge upper arm movement towards the ball on the Forest one. It's subtle but it's there and helps the ball towards his path. It's a soft decision that could go either way without too much complaint from me - the fact that VAR gets involved and its still ambiguous highlights the wider problem for me.

The PGMOL literally apologised for the Berge handball and came out and said it was one of two decisions that was 100% incorrect this season

BigGaz wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:06 am

The worst one out of the lot isn't even on your list. Blatant handball from the last man at Villa. Fecking bats the ball into his own path so he can bring it under control.

You've also missed Alexis McAllister whacking Ramsey in the shins in the build up to the Liverpool goal away which was 100% a foul but Ramsey didn't go down.

I was hoping someone would find a couple that I missed, there’s been that many this season

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:10 am

I was hoping someone would find a couple that I missed, there’s been that many this season

Should actually put all our heads together and come up with a list across the whole season just to see how shocking the refereeing has been this season.

Add it to the list. I’d love someone to put a compilation together

I would say the most important ones were against Forest and Luton as they cost us points against relegation rivals.

BigGaz wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:06 am

The worst one out of the lot isn't even on your list. Blatant handball from the last man at Villa. Fecking bats the ball into his own path so he can bring it under control.

You've also missed Alexis McAllister whacking Ramsey in the shins in the build up to the Liverpool goal away which was 100% a foul but Ramsey didn't go down.

You nailed it Gaz, mentioned the hand ball at Villa a couple of days ago, it seems to get overlooked because of the soft penalty at the other end.

Amazing that Ramsey gets volleyed at Anfield and Mudryk gets brushed, VAR says one is a foul but not the other, incredible.

If the goal has been a winning goal for Burnley, would the decision have been different?

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:09 am

The PGMOL literally apologised for the Berge handball and came out and said it was one of two decisions that was 100% incorrect this season

They apologised as they recognised it was wrong, there was also a justification to say it hit his arm above the sleeve line, as well as his chest, so that negates any other element of the decision.

The one thing is for certain, it wasn't a clear and obvious error.

Assignon hands down for me because of the double jeopardy involved and both decisions being absolutely wrong

Goody1975 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:44 am

They apologised as they recognised it was wrong, there was also a justification to say it hit his arm above the sleeve line, as well as his chest, so that negates any other element of the decision.

The one thing is for certain, it wasn't a clear and obvious error.

The came out and said it was one of 2 clear errors this season

The whole term ‘clear and obvious error’ annoys me anyway, an error is an error is an error whether it’s a small error or massive

9. Set piece defending

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:24 am

The came out and said it was one of 2 clear errors this season

Yes but they overturned a goal, that is the error, and a gigantic one at that.

The 'clear and obvious error' I am talking about is the protocol for overturning the decision in the first place.

They're all bad.

A thought occurred to me be cause of last night's incident.

I've quoted something before on lots of issues, 'if you look for the bad in people you will surely find it'.
It goes with racism, homophobia lots of things. We let preconceived presumptions cloud the reality.

Take last night's incident. It was clearly never a foul, therefore there is noway the referee saw it. He's sees the man fall down, then the presumption kicks in, he puts 2 and 2 together and comes up 6.
This is a BIG problem, I can understand the odd penalty not being given, because the ref couldn't see it, its sad but sometimes understandable, but to give a foul that never happened is unforgivable and easily avoided. If you're not sure play on. Historically all referees have missed incidents, but I don't think they had this habit of giving things that they hadn't seen.

Just need to pack it up VAR and have goal line technology and the auto offside system they used in the World Cup.

When referees have different opinions of what a foul is and what diving is then you cannot have VAR for those decisions

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:45 pm

Which is the worst

1. The Berge handball decision forest away
2. Not checking the handball Bournemouth away
3. Not giving koleosho pen first half West Ham at home
4. The penalty against us at Villa away
5. Foul on Trafford Luton at home
6. JBL disallowed goal Bournemouth at home
7. Penalty and red against assignon Chelsea away
8. Ait-Nouri dive wolves at home

Numbers 8,5,7 my top 3

The most incompetent one was number 8. It looks worse everytime you see it. Unfortunately VAR isn't implemented properly so there's not a lot that can be done.
The most annoying one was number 5. Goalkeepers are a protected species. There is no way in hell that would not get given for a 'bigger team.' I couldn't believe my eyes when the ref allowed the goal, even the Luton players were expecting it to be ruled out. But because its burnley, the ref decided to be let it count

Claret86 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:18 pm

The most incompetent one was number 8. It looks worse everytime you see it. Unfortunately VAR isn't implemented properly so there's not a lot that can be done.
The most annoying one was number 5. Goalkeepers are a protected species. There is no way in hell that would not get given for a 'bigger team.' I couldn't believe my eyes when the ref allowed the goal, even the Luton players were expecting it to be ruled out. But because its burnley, the ref decided to be let it count

A guy at work used to be a football league linesman and happens to be a Luton fan and he couldn’t believe the decision to give the goal. He said that too many new younger refs don’t have common sense. He said all it needed was to look at the Luton player who committed the foul and his reaction said it all. He know he had fouled Trafford. Same at the weekend as the Chelsea player is celebrating you can see he’s pointing to his arm he knows it’s hit his arm

The worst for me isn’t even on the list , the hand ball at Villa when Foster was going for goal. The Villa defender knocks the ball away with his arm, clear for everyone to see but ignored by the ref and VAR . Coming after Berger sending off that would have changed the whole dynamic of the game again.

Also been told by an official I know in the north east, who assisted a recent match at the Turf, that it was acknowledged within the PGMOL that the Luton goal should have been disallowed . Not sure we actually got an apology or there has been a public apology. It truly makes you sick of the premier league when this is happening every week to us.

northeastclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:25 pm

Also been told by an official I know in the north east, who assisted a recent match at the Turf, that it was acknowledged within the PGMOL that the Luton goal should have been disallowed . Not sure we actually got an apology or there has been a public apology. It truly makes you sick of the premier league when this is happening every week to us.

On the refs mic’d up, Webb did his usual ‘another decision which splits opinion’ and gives us a ‘subjective view’ for the Luton goal.

No doubt because the Chelsea penalty went with the infield decision that probably won’t be selected in the next show so we won’t hear anything

I’m not too upset by the dreadful decision at the Bridge. No pen and Assignon staying on we could still have got beat. It galvanised our guys into an incredible performance and they lost half a step thinking no bother against 10 men.
The blatant foul on Trafford v Luton was the worst until last night. From his position I can’t see any reason for giving the FK. He isn’t pulled, he isn’t tripped, he isn’t kicked. The guy has just had a brain freeze.

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:35 pm

On the refs mic’d up, Webb did his usual ‘another decision which splits opinion’ and gives us a ‘subjective view’ for the Luton goal.

No doubt because the Chelsea penalty went with the infield decision that probably won’t be selected in the next show so we won’t hear anything

Not surprising then that Webb publicly won’t acknowledge the mistake but behind the scenes with the refs it’s regarded as a wrong decision. Corrupt and dishonest , it’s disgusting.

northeastclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:07 pm

Not surprising then that Webb publicly won’t acknowledge the mistake but behind the scenes with the refs it’s regarded as a wrong decision. Corrupt and dishonest , it’s disgusting.

A former ref who in his career was labelled as being favourable to man United is now in charge of the countries referees.

Not sure how you solve it because ex players wouldn’t work either, when you listen to the likes Darren bent and Jamie o’hara on talksport they are so bias towards their own teams

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:44 pm

I’m not too upset by the dreadful decision at the Bridge. No pen and Assignon staying on we could still have got beat. It galvanised our guys into an incredible performance and they lost half a step thinking no bother against 10 men.
The blatant foul on Trafford v Luton was the worst until last night. From his position I can’t see any reason for giving the FK. He isn’t pulled, he isn’t tripped, he isn’t kicked. The guy has just had a brain freeze.

I'm at the back of the CFS and it looked like the contact was minimal. When I saw the replay, I couldnt believe it.
VAR should just be a couple of VAR only refs, who don't officiate on the pitch watching a match in real-time and trying to spot things like that. Nobody wants lines being drawn or 4 minutes worth of analysis. They want terrible decisions like that corrected