Sequence of events after Wolves Scored

[thelifeofbrian]

what was going on?

Burnley kicked off in the centre then the ref blew his whistle- it looked like Var was intervening but nothing came up on the screen, we waited for a couple of mins whilst the ref was clearly communicating with someone before Esteve took the centre and tried to shoot into an empty net from the halfway line only to miss by about 20 feet(comical and embarrassing all round).

If VAR were involved,
1,can play be pulled back after the restart?
2, can VAR retrospectively go back to that free kick incident to say to the ref disallow the goal as it wasn't a foul?

[NottsClaret]

Can't go back after the restart, that's why the issue at Spurs v Liverpool happened.
Don't think the video ref gets involved on free kicks. I imagine they were pretty desperate for a reason to disallow after seeing the 'free kick' back, but there was literally nothing there, other than poor marking.

[MDWat]

1. It shouldn’t do, no. He blew the whistle and we kicked off. He ****** up.
2. No, they can’t.

[morninbob]

It would be interesting to hear the audio from it, but we aren't Liverpool so it won't happen.

[aggi]

VAR was checking for offside. It wasn't particularly close though.

The freekick can't get checked.

[thelifeofbrian]

VAR was checking for offside. It wasn't particularly close though.

The freekick can't get checked.
[if so why did they kick off?]

[randomclaret2]

They know it wasnt a Free Kick in the first place

[BigGaz]

I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that he didn't spot that there was no contact when he's two yards away OR that he allowed the kick off to happen before they'd finished looking for a reason to disallow it. Even if they'd found one, at the point he's let them restart that's it, they cannot intervene.

Amateur hour in the richest/best league in the world TM.

[randomclaret2]

I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that he didn't spot that there was no contact when he's two yards away OR that he allowed the kick off to happen before they'd finished looking for a reason to disallow it. Even if they'd found one, at the point he's let them restart that's it, they cannot intervene.

Amateur hour in the richest/best league in the world TM.

You can be sure if it was our goal they would have found the reason to disallow it

[FCBurnley]

Surely the no foul was part of the build up to Wolves goal and as such should be part of the checking procedure ?

[claptrappers_union]

More VAR shambles, fans not important to enough to know what's going on.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It would be interesting to hear the audio from it, but we aren't Liverpool so it won't happen.

We can request the audio as it's something that's available to all clubs according to Webb

[distortiondave]

What needs to happen to make sure free kicks like that aren't given again, is to make every foul a red card, because red cards always get checked.
Reductio ad absurdum.

[FCBurnley]

If we look at series of events prior to goal they are as follows

O’Shea gives away possession to AN
OS tries to retrieve possession from AN
AN trips over
Ref incorrectly awards Fk
Wolves take free kick
AN scores

So from OS giving away possession to them scoring they only have 3 touches of the ball so how can the incorrect decision by the ref not be deemed as part of the build up to the goal

Defies all logic and belief. Ref made mistake cost us a goal and 2 points. Exactly why we have VAR which is then not used !

[Goliath]

If we look at series of events prior to goal they are as follows

O’Shea gives away possession to AN
OS tries to retrieve possession from AN
AN trips over
Ref incorrectly awards Fk
Wolves take free kick
AN scores

So from OS giving away possession to them scoring they only have 3 touches of the ball so how can the incorrect decision by the ref not be deemed as part of the build up to the goal

Defies all logic and belief. Ref made mistake cost us a goal and 2 points. Exactly why we have VAR which is then not used !

Let's not forget Fofanas daft part in it where he stupidly gave the ball away instead of keeping it and seeing through to half time

[beddie]

Plus that diabolical rule that’s called ‘offside” . What a shambles last night in front of the JHL. That rule needs changing.

[123EasyasBFC]

The tactic was to go really tight on ait-nouri all game, last minute of the half we should have sat off and low blocked the half out

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Can't go back after the restart, that's why the issue at Spurs v Liverpool happened.
Don't think the video ref gets involved on free kicks. I imagine they were pretty desperate for a reason to disallow after seeing the 'free kick' back, but there was literally nothing there, other than poor marking.

I expect this is correct, VAR refs must have known it was a mistake and wanted to find a reason to cancel it out. Hopefully we hear the audio, not that it does anything other than make us more angry

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

If VAR were even watching the game should have told the ref you gave an incorrect free kick meaning no goal.

I believe thats what the delay was about as they stuffed up again, lucky for them it wasnt in a really big teams game.

Most common sense thing would have been to disallow goal due to no foul being committed.

Club need to file a complaint as it keeps happening.

Unbelivably poor.

[aggi]

Surely the no foul was part of the build up to Wolves goal and as such should be part of the checking procedure ?

It starts again with the free kick being taken, they don't go back any further. Just the same as a goal being scored from an incorrectly awarded corner, they won't overturn the corner and disallow the goal.

Annoying when you're on the receiving end of one but personally I'd like less VAR involvement, not more.

[Vino blanco]

Is it not the case that once the ref blew for the free kick that is it? You can not use VAR because VAR is only used for penalties, offsides leading to a goal red cards, and fouls taking place in the active lead up to a goal. Once the ref incorrectly blows for the foul that is the end of that phase of play, the resulting free kick is a totally separate phase.

[summitclaret]

I thought this thread was going to be about our attempt on an empty net and would a goal have been given. It would have been natural justice if it had.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Is it not the case that once the ref blew for the free kick that is it? You can not use VAR because VAR is only used for penalties, offsides leading to a goal red cards, and fouls taking place in the active lead up to a goal. Once the ref incorrectly blows for the foul that is the end of that phase of play, the resulting free kick is a totally separate phase.

We need to break away from IFAB rules and set our own common sense rules, its ruining the spectacle as no one knows what is being checked in the stadium or at home.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I thought this thread was going to be about our attempt on an empty net and would a goal have been given. It would have been natural justice if it had.

That would have been ideal and why was Sa miles out of his net?

[Dark Cloud]

I thought this thread was going to be about our attempt on an empty net and would a goal have been given. It would have been natural justice if it had.

Imo, the goal would have been given. The VAR check had been completed, the ref signalled goal and pointed to the centre spot for Burnley to restart the game. Every player was in his correct half of the pitch and the Wolves keeper was miles out of his nets. That's his problem. I just wished so much that the long range kick had gone in because I immediately turned to the guy sitting next to me and said I'm sure the goal would have stood, especially when you realise that the ref didn't call play back for another restart, he let the goalie retrieve the ball and then blew up for half time which surely shows he felt the ball had been legitimately in play. It would have been bloody brilliant.

[Rileybobs]

Imo, the goal would have been given. The VAR check had been completed, the ref signalled goal and pointed to the centre spot for Burnley to restart the game. Every player was in his correct half of the pitch and the Wolves keeper was miles out of his nets. That's his problem. I just wished so much that the long range kick had gone in because I immediately turned to the guy sitting next to me and said I'm sure the goal would have stood, especially when you realise that the ref didn't call play back for another restart, he let the goalie retrieve the ball and then blew up for half time which surely shows he felt the ball had been legitimately in play. It would have been bloody brilliant.

The only reason why O’Shea missed from the centre spot by so much is that a Wolves player was stood in front of the ball which means he had to play a ‘fade’ around him which didn’t come off. Naturally the Wolves player wasn’t booked for trying to delay the restart.

I think the fact that the referee then blew for half time before another restart suggests that had it gone in the goal would have stood.

[FCBurnley]

What a shambles our National game has become

[Dark Cloud]

What a shambles our National game has become

Far too much (unnecessary) tinkering!

[sjb]

Plus that diabolical rule that’s called ‘offside” . What a shambles last night in front of the JHL. That rule needs changing.

Absolutely. It's not the liners' fault as they are told to do it but for God's sake if a player is offside then he is offside. Put the ******* flag up!!

[wilks_bfc]

Is it not the case that once the ref blew for the free kick that is it? You can not use VAR because VAR is only used for penalties, offsides leading to a goal red cards, and fouls taking place in the active lead up to a goal. Once the ref incorrectly blows for the foul that is the end of that phase of play, the resulting free kick is a totally separate phase.

That is correct, but some are unwilling to grasp that.

We all know it was wrong, but even if the infield ref realised straight away after awarding the free kick, there was nothing he could do about it.

The only way he could have “rectified” it would have been to blow for half time as soon as the free kick was taken ala Clive Thomas at the 78 World Cup