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Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:24 am
by thelifeofbrian
what was going on?
Burnley kicked off in the centre then the ref blew his whistle- it looked like Var was intervening but nothing came up on the screen, we waited for a couple of mins whilst the ref was clearly communicating with someone before Esteve took the centre and tried to shoot into an empty net from the halfway line only to miss by about 20 feet(comical and embarrassing all round).
If VAR were involved,
1,can play be pulled back after the restart?
2, can VAR retrospectively go back to that free kick incident to say to the ref disallow the goal as it wasn't a foul?
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:28 am
by NottsClaret
Can't go back after the restart, that's why the issue at Spurs v Liverpool happened.
Don't think the video ref gets involved on free kicks. I imagine they were pretty desperate for a reason to disallow after seeing the 'free kick' back, but there was literally nothing there, other than poor marking.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:29 am
by MDWat
1. It shouldn’t do, no. He blew the whistle and we kicked off. He ****** up.
2. No, they can’t.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:30 am
by morninbob
It would be interesting to hear the audio from it, but we aren't Liverpool so it won't happen.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:31 am
by aggi
VAR was checking for offside. It wasn't particularly close though.
The freekick can't get checked.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:32 am
by thelifeofbrian
aggi wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:31 am
VAR was checking for offside. It wasn't particularly close though.
The freekick can't get checked.
[if so why did they kick off?]
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:32 am
by randomclaret2
They know it wasnt a Free Kick in the first place
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:45 am
by BigGaz
I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that he didn't spot that there was no contact when he's two yards away OR that he allowed the kick off to happen before they'd finished looking for a reason to disallow it. Even if they'd found one, at the point he's let them restart that's it, they cannot intervene.
Amateur hour in the richest/best league in the world TM.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:57 am
by randomclaret2
BigGaz wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:45 am
I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that he didn't spot that there was no contact when he's two yards away OR that he allowed the kick off to happen before they'd finished looking for a reason to disallow it. Even if they'd found one, at the point he's let them restart that's it, they cannot intervene.
Amateur hour in the richest/best league in the world TM.
You can be sure if it was our goal they would have found the reason to disallow it
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:39 am
by FCBurnley
Surely the no foul was part of the build up to Wolves goal and as such should be part of the checking procedure ?
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:49 am
by claptrappers_union
More VAR shambles, fans not important to enough to know what's going on.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:58 am
by THEWELLERNUT70
morninbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:30 am
It would be interesting to hear the audio from it, but we aren't Liverpool so it won't happen.
We can request the audio as it's something that's available to all clubs according to Webb
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:02 am
by distortiondave
What needs to happen to make sure free kicks like that aren't given again, is to make every foul a red card, because red cards always get checked.
Reductio ad absurdum.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:42 am
by FCBurnley
If we look at series of events prior to goal they are as follows
O’Shea gives away possession to AN
OS tries to retrieve possession from AN
AN trips over
Ref incorrectly awards Fk
Wolves take free kick
AN scores
So from OS giving away possession to them scoring they only have 3 touches of the ball so how can the incorrect decision by the ref not be deemed as part of the build up to the goal
Defies all logic and belief. Ref made mistake cost us a goal and 2 points. Exactly why we have VAR which is then not used !
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:19 pm
by Goliath
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:42 am
If we look at series of events prior to goal they are as follows
O’Shea gives away possession to AN
OS tries to retrieve possession from AN
AN trips over
Ref incorrectly awards Fk
Wolves take free kick
AN scores
So from OS giving away possession to them scoring they only have 3 touches of the ball so how can the incorrect decision by the ref not be deemed as part of the build up to the goal
Defies all logic and belief. Ref made mistake cost us a goal and 2 points. Exactly why we have VAR which is then not used !
Let's not forget Fofanas daft part in it where he stupidly gave the ball away instead of keeping it and seeing through to half time
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:27 pm
by beddie
Plus that diabolical rule that’s called ‘offside” . What a shambles last night in front of the JHL. That rule needs changing.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:33 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
The tactic was to go really tight on ait-nouri all game, last minute of the half we should have sat off and low blocked the half out
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:40 pm
by Poulton-le-Claret
NottsClaret wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:28 am
Can't go back after the restart, that's why the issue at Spurs v Liverpool happened.
Don't think the video ref gets involved on free kicks. I imagine they were pretty desperate for a reason to disallow after seeing the 'free kick' back, but there was literally nothing there, other than poor marking.
I expect this is correct, VAR refs must have known it was a mistake and wanted to find a reason to cancel it out. Hopefully we hear the audio, not that it does anything other than make us more angry
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:42 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
If VAR were even watching the game should have told the ref you gave an incorrect free kick meaning no goal.
I believe thats what the delay was about as they stuffed up again, lucky for them it wasnt in a really big teams game.
Most common sense thing would have been to disallow goal due to no foul being committed.
Club need to file a complaint as it keeps happening.
Unbelivably poor.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:51 pm
by aggi
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:39 am
Surely the no foul was part of the build up to Wolves goal and as such should be part of the checking procedure ?
It starts again with the free kick being taken, they don't go back any further. Just the same as a goal being scored from an incorrectly awarded corner, they won't overturn the corner and disallow the goal.
Annoying when you're on the receiving end of one but personally I'd like less VAR involvement, not more.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:52 pm
by Vino blanco
Is it not the case that once the ref blew for the free kick that is it? You can not use VAR because VAR is only used for penalties, offsides leading to a goal red cards, and fouls taking place in the active lead up to a goal. Once the ref incorrectly blows for the foul that is the end of that phase of play, the resulting free kick is a totally separate phase.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:05 pm
by summitclaret
I thought this thread was going to be about our attempt on an empty net and would a goal have been given. It would have been natural justice if it had.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:06 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Vino blanco wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:52 pm
Is it not the case that once the ref blew for the free kick that is it? You can not use VAR because VAR is only used for penalties, offsides leading to a goal red cards, and fouls taking place in the active lead up to a goal. Once the ref incorrectly blows for the foul that is the end of that phase of play, the resulting free kick is a totally separate phase.
We need to break away from IFAB rules and set our own common sense rules, its ruining the spectacle as no one knows what is being checked in the stadium or at home.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:07 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
summitclaret wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:05 pm
I thought this thread was going to be about our attempt on an empty net and would a goal have been given. It would have been natural justice if it had.
That would have been ideal and why was Sa miles out of his net?
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:31 pm
by Dark Cloud
summitclaret wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:05 pm
I thought this thread was going to be about our attempt on an empty net and would a goal have been given. It would have been natural justice if it had.
Imo, the goal would have been given. The VAR check had been completed, the ref signalled goal and pointed to the centre spot for Burnley to restart the game. Every player was in his correct half of the pitch and the Wolves keeper was miles out of his nets. That's his problem. I just wished so much that the long range kick had gone in because I immediately turned to the guy sitting next to me and said I'm sure the goal would have stood, especially when you realise that the ref didn't call play back for another restart, he let the goalie retrieve the ball and then blew up for half time which surely shows he felt the ball had been legitimately in play. It would have been bloody brilliant.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:40 pm
by Rileybobs
Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:31 pm
Imo, the goal would have been given. The VAR check had been completed, the ref signalled goal and pointed to the centre spot for Burnley to restart the game. Every player was in his correct half of the pitch and the Wolves keeper was miles out of his nets. That's his problem. I just wished so much that the long range kick had gone in because I immediately turned to the guy sitting next to me and said I'm sure the goal would have stood, especially when you realise that the ref didn't call play back for another restart, he let the goalie retrieve the ball and then blew up for half time which surely shows he felt the ball had been legitimately in play. It would have been bloody brilliant.
The only reason why O’Shea missed from the centre spot by so much is that a Wolves player was stood in front of the ball which means he had to play a ‘fade’ around him which didn’t come off. Naturally the Wolves player wasn’t booked for trying to delay the restart.
I think the fact that the referee then blew for half time before another restart suggests that had it gone in the goal would have stood.
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:49 pm
by FCBurnley
What a shambles our National game has become
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:53 pm
by Dark Cloud
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:49 pm
What a shambles our National game has become
Far too much (unnecessary) tinkering!
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:49 pm
by sjb
beddie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:27 pm
Plus that diabolical rule that’s called ‘offside” . What a shambles last night in front of the JHL. That rule needs changing.
Absolutely. It's not the liners' fault as they are told to do it but for God's sake if a player is offside then he is offside. Put the ******* flag up!!
Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:28 pm
by wilks_bfc
Vino blanco wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:52 pm
Is it not the case that once the ref blew for the free kick that is it? You can not use VAR because VAR is only used for penalties, offsides leading to a goal red cards, and fouls taking place in the active lead up to a goal. Once the ref incorrectly blows for the foul that is the end of that phase of play, the resulting free kick is a totally separate phase.
That is correct, but some are unwilling to grasp that.
We all know it was wrong, but even if the infield ref realised straight away after awarding the free kick, there was nothing he could do about it.
The only way he could have “rectified” it would have been to blow for half time as soon as the free kick was taken ala Clive Thomas at the 78 World Cup