Simon Hooper (Wiltshire) v Brighton

How to Score
A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) - out of 25
B. Consistency - out of 25
C. Fitness and Positioning - of 25
D. Control and Authority - out of 25



Please only Rate the Ref, IF you attended the game today and after the game has ended. Thank you.

A 21
B 22
C 17
D 20

I never do scores, but I thought he was another poor ref.

He seemed to give them every free kick whilst they were getting knocked over by fresh air.

8
8
10
10

I’ve never seen a ref give so many soft free kicks to one side, and it wasn’t us. Seemed to want to slow play down to ensure he could keep up.

Shite. Quick to book Cullen but weren't for sorting any of the Brighton niggles out. The one on Esteve was a shocker. Think he's missed a pen as well. Struggled to keep up with play. Allowed to kick ball and throw tantrums constantly. Every 50/50 call went Brighton way.
A - 5
B - 5
C - 7
D - 5

MeeActon1 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:30 pm

Seemed to want to slow play down to ensure he could keep up.

Ha, I’ve said exactly that before about Hooper. I believe it to be true.

He made a mistake that cost us the game

Scores in double figure seem amazingly generous despite his good intentions to let the game flow.

A 9
B 8
C 7
D 9
Very Poor Referee

20
22
22
23

Refereed the game excellently today

I thought he was soft on them to be fair. He tried to keep the game moving. Seen worse.
19
17
21
22

Hooper wasn't the problem, Rob Jones on VAR was AGAIN

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:15 pm

20
22
22
23

Refereed the game excellently today

Couldn’t disagree more with that. Game of opinions though.

Well he's the first referee I've laugh at a player (Pedro), tell him he dived and oroxeed to not book him for it. Shocking isn't the term anymore because it's no shock that these guys are week in, week out allowing players to take the **** out of them. Hooper is another in the long list of refs who are woefully substandard not just at this level, but below. Struggled to keep up with play, had no control or authority to speak of, especially where Brighton and Mr Pedro were concerned, didn't apply the laws of the game correctly and wasn't remotely consistent in his decision making. Rancid.

Definitely a game of opinions
I followed match on SSN and they said he had been a good referee
I have seen Hooper on TV lots of times this season and imho he is among our better referees

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:21 pm

Hooper wasn't the problem, Rob Jones on VAR was AGAIN

He's part of the decision making process.

He was absolutely shocking. No idea what game those who have scored high were watching.

A - 5
B - 5
C - 5
D - 5

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:32 pm

Well he's the first referee I've laugh at a player (Pedro), tell him he dived and oroxeed to not book him for it. Shocking isn't the term anymore because it's no shock that these guys are week in, week out allowing players to take the **** out of them. Hooper is another in the long list of refs who are woefully substandard not just at this level, but below. Struggled to keep up with play, had no control or authority to speak of, especially where Brighton and Mr Pedro were concerned, didn't apply the laws of the game correctly and wasn't remotely consistent in his decision making. Rancid.

Couldn’t agree more.

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:32 pm

Well he's the first referee I've laugh at a player (Pedro), tell him he dived and oroxeed to not book him for it. Shocking isn't the term anymore because it's no shock that these guys are week in, week out allowing players to take the **** out of them. Hooper is another in the long list of refs who are woefully substandard not just at this level, but below. Struggled to keep up with play, had no control or authority to speak of, especially where Brighton and Mr Pedro were concerned, didn't apply the laws of the game correctly and wasn't remotely consistent in his decision making. Rancid.

There could be a 10min video of Pedro’s dives and fouls from the first half alone.

Just another awful ref but fortunately we can’t blame him for the result.

10
5
10
5
Inconsistent and allowed Brighton players to con him.
Fitness questionable.
Foul count of 18-8 is unusual, probably showing the extent to which he was conned.

We've had a lot worse this season but that doesn't mean he wasn't poor. He couldn't wait to reward their falling over whenever we went near them. At one point I thought he was getting wise to it as he waved their shouts away but that didn't last long. How on earth Pedro didn't get booked for getting frustrated and kicking out in front of their dugout beggared belief. The tackle on Esteve was also quite sly and naughty. Neither challenge even warranted a talking to apparently.
I'll excuse him for the penalty shout as it didn't look clear enough to me at the time..however looking back on the replay there is certainly a good claim. Where was VAR?
Yet another sub standard refereeing performance.

Dire
Ignored the blatant penalty for us and allowed late over the ball challenges by Brighton and was unable to keep up with play another poor ref of a pub league standard
A 5
B4
C5
D4

I thought he was awful to be honest. Fell for every Brighton fall over to be a foul. Brighton are the worst for what the PL has come. I knocked my seat and 3 of their players fell over.

Not good at all. God knows what some were watching to award scores like they have.

Who was the Brighton player who had a row with the ref late on, and then sarcastically applauded him as he ran off? Surely that’s a second yellow?

He missed the Odobert penalty for starters.

I’m staggered by some of the high ratings - quick to book Cullen, correctly, but then let a catalogue of booking offences go. The tackle on Esteve on half time was a shocker, didn’t even have a word. Pedro kicking through Assignon in frustration - no booking. The lad booting the ball into the stand when a corner already given - a booking. Pedro kicking ball away first half - a booking. I’m all for letting the game flow but you can’t decide you’re going to book one player for an offence then let all the other go. That’s b””l””s.

A - 15
B - 7
C - 12
D - 14

He wasn’t horrendously bad but he certainly wasn’t excellent - far from it

15
12
9
13

Surprised at the consistency ratings given he gave a number of other free kicks where the player caught the man just before ball, including the one for Brighton from which Muric made a decent save just before half time, and yet didn't give a penalty when Estupinian did exactly that to Odobert.

Even allowing for c&b tinted glasses, this guy clearly let them 'boss the game'. How that Pedro chap got away with what he did, only the ref can answer that.

Just so annoying to see cheating being allowed and not dealt with.

And having just seen the Odobert penalty again on motd this morning it's a clear a penalty as you'll see. What exactly is the point of VAR?

I almost give up.

I think I need to change seats to where CT & JD sit
Opinions eh.. we all see the games so differently.

A now typical PL refereeing performance. Dives now always get a free kick & never a booking, whereas nasty fouls aren’t pulled up.
Then we have the non-penalty when the defender got the ball after colliding with the attacker. The only consistency is the inconsistency.
10
5
5
10

Was hoping for a good performance but no, another shocking one.

A - 12
B - 7
C - 12
D - 12

Thought it was a pen on Odoberty

Not consistent with free kicks
Booking Cullen and then letting everything else go

Oh and laughing about it,

And his assistant on the Longside can't tell when the ball goes beyond the goal line.

How is this not a pen?

https://twitter.com/TheBurnleyWay/statu ... PJrEA&s=19

A - 10
B - 10
C - 15
D - 15

This is one of those where those who saw it live and are allowed to vote ‘could’ conclude that he made good decisions, but on checking it on MOTD afterwards would have to change their minds. Personally, I was happy with what I concluded live.

The penalty was clear and obvious. The player missed the ball with his front leg, then accidentally took it with his rear leg, AFTER barging into Odobert. It was a clear penalty and probably stopped us winning the game. There were a few other issues too, like not booking their players twice when walloping the ball away to time waste. He stopped the game for a clear leg injury.

Looking at the replay of the penalty, you could be charitable and say his view might have been obscured. That's what VAR's allegedly for, of course...

As for the rest of the game there's a fine line between 'letting the game flow' and 'bottling out of making decisions' and he spent 90+ minutes doing the latter. Same as every other referee this season; weak.

Leave it to the current cohort of referees and it won't be long before decision-making is taken off the on-field referee entirely and they're just kept-on to signal the decisions being fed into their ears.

Re the non penalty, it looked like one in real time and certainly looked like one after on the replay.

This type of incident is one where the benefits of VAR should be brought into play. As Enola says the ref could be blind sided as to whether Estupinan played the ball or not, so why not give the penalty and then let VAR look at it with their multiple TV angles. The same principle should have been applied to the similar incident involving Vitinho vs Brentford

This is also where there is confusion with respect to the rules, my understanding is that EVEN if the defender plays the ball, if he takes his opponent out with the follow through, it's a foul, as in the incident involving Pope and Bamford 2/3 years ago.

Plainly Estupinan cleaned out Odebert as he was about to shoot, therefore it's a penalty.

Goody1975 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:49 pm

He's part of the decision making process.

absolutely, but Rob Jones has been the common denominator in some farcical decisions for us over the last 2-4 seasons

Anyone who watched that and gave him scores in the 20s needs to give their head a wobble. Typical PL ref full of his own bloated self importance.

8
7
8
8

Some of the scores on here are beyond me I’m afraid.

For C fitness and positioning any low marks imo are ridiculous as he was up with play all the game
Scores should be high around 20

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:56 pm

For C fitness and positioning any low marks imo are ridiculous as he was up with play all the game
Scores should be high around 20

Just out of interest, Dave, how do you know?

5
5
5
5

Have watched the highlights on Sky plus mod but people marking say 5 5 5 and 5 are clearly not looking and giving thought to what A B C and D represent

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:56 pm

For C fitness and positioning any low marks imo are ridiculous as he was up with play all the game
Scores should be high around 20

It is fitness and positioning, not just fitness.

For example, as Enola he was obscured for the penalty, but needed to be in a good position to see it. Good refs see the line of the run and position themselves accordingly.

A 15 that I gave it felt right to me.

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:08 pm

Have watched the highlights on Sky plus mod but people marking say 5 5 5 and 5 are clearly not looking and giving thought to what A B C and D represent

Who cares Dave he was that bad, only Muric was worse. The ref made it all about him.

As with Kompany's fine/ban and rightly so btw, its their arrogant response in their statement, never state where the money is going and not once acknowledging that the refereeing was so poor.

We are so poor this season but having to watch these refs this season has been shocking too. A good ref is a ref you don't notice or talk about.

Fair play but if relegated you will see poorer referees.
I have watched lots of games this season in all 4 divisions and the standard is very poor and do t have VAR to help in offsides
Goals are given with scorers sometimes 2 yards offside

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:53 pm

Fair play but if relegated you will see poorer referees.
I have watched lots of games this season in all 4 divisions and the standard is very poor and do t have VAR to help in offsides
Goals are given with scorers sometimes 2 yards offside

The one bonus is there being no VAR. It’s damaged the game.

Agree VAR certainly hasn’t helped in the way it was intended to

He looked Cullen bit not their players, for worse.

He let just about everything else go. "Get on with it", whichbthey did.

Okref, on that basis.

Even Dermot on ref watch said we should have had a penalty for the foul on Odobert. When he’s sticking up for us you know the refs had a shocker!

PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:11 pm

Even Dermot on ref watch said we should have had a penalty for the foul on Odobert. When he’s sticking up for us you know the refs had a shocker!

He never actually said it should have been a pen. He did say that Estupiñán got lucky but then said it’s a tough call because whichever way you go, people are going to say it’s the other way. Stephen Warnock didn’t think it was a pen but Sue Smith thought it was.