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All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:42 pm
by Terrier
Why we are going down.
Individual errors
Missing easy chances
Good build up that comes to nothing once we get near their goal!
Not shooting when presented with openings.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:42 pm
by Vegas Claret
exactly
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:43 pm
by HahaYeah
Come on you Clangers.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:44 pm
by fidelcastro
Terrier wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:42 pm
Why we are going down.
Individual errors
Missing easy chances
Good build up that comes to nothing once we get near their goal!
Not shooting when presented with openings.
And having the wrong manager who bought the wrong players for a PL campaign.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:44 pm
by Goody1975
You forgot about one of the forward line trotting about with minimum effort.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:46 pm
by DCWat
Muric doing his utmost to show why there were concerns about him at this level. From the sublime to the ridiculous.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:47 pm
by fidelcastro
DCWat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:46 pm
Muric doing his utmost to show why there were concerns about him at this level. From the sublime to the ridiculous.
Yet the experts on here wanted him in.
Hope they're happy.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:50 pm
by Dark Cloud
Please add weird team selection and tactics including substitutions which have all been a huge contributing factor.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:50 pm
by CoolClaret
Pretty much, yeah.
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:47 pm
Yet the experts on here wanted him in.
Hope they're happy.
Sorry I forgot, the alternative... *checks notes*... 1 home win, 9 losses and 1 draw, was a much better alternative, wasn't it?
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:51 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
DCWat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:46 pm
Muric doing his utmost to show why there were concerns about him at this level. From the sublime to the ridiculous.
His one mistake wouldn't of mattered if we put our chances away
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:52 pm
by fidelcastro
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:50 pm
Pretty much, yeah.
Sorry I forgot, the alternative... *checks notes*... 1 home win, 9 losses and 1 draw, was a much better alternative, wasn't it?
Show me a mistake from Trafford that was worse than the ones Muric has made in the last two games please!
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:53 pm
by DCWat
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:47 pm
Yet the experts on here wanted him in.
Hope they're happy.
It’s a tricky one. The good that he brings is not only great to watch, it also helps the team to progress play far better. The bad that he brings is really, really bad.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:56 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:52 pm
Show me a mistake from Trafford that was worse than the ones Muric has made in the last two games please!
Show me the saves Trafford made that Muric does or picking out a pass 50 yards up the pitch or fitting our system like Muric does
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:57 pm
by Hedontplayforyou
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:47 pm
Yet the experts on here wanted him in.
Hope they're happy.
We are a much better team with him in it than with the previous keeper. Unfortunately the last two games have been killers for Muric in two moments.
Naturally this means the experts in here forget about or ignore the good things he has done.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:58 pm
by fidelcastro
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:56 pm
Show me the saves Trafford made that Muric does or picking out a pass 50 yards up the pitch or fitting our system like Muric does
Trafford has made plenty of saves. He wasn't ready for the PL, but Muric definitely wasn't the answer either.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:59 pm
by Hedontplayforyou
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:52 pm
Show me a mistake from Trafford that was worse than the ones Muric has made in the last two games please!
Bournemouth lob. Fulham lob. Both absolutely awful.
Just two off top of my head - but his dilly dallying with the ball and time taken to pick a pass ( which was more often than not a bad one that put us under pressure) also stifled the entire side.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:59 pm
by CoolClaret
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:52 pm
Show me a mistake from Trafford that was worse than the ones Muric has made in the last two games please!
Traff made a similar mistake to Aro's against Everton when away at Luton earlier in the season - it just spooned wide instead.
That also isn't the point, nor has it ever been.
The arg, at least my arg from the start was:
- Muric (and other players) didn't do anything to warrant being dropped for the opening run of games, upon promotion you ride that wave for as long as possible.
- That if we want to be a more expansive passing team then our best bet of doing it was with Muric.
I never said it would be plain sailing and of course we would have hairy moments - that's how I expected the season to go... A little bit more like Bielsa's first season in the Prem with Leeds, lots of 4-3s / 3-2s etc etc.
I wanted a change from Traff because we were playing dross football, could barely get out of our own half and would end up losing anyway.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:59 pm
by Vegas Claret
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:47 pm
Yet the experts on here wanted him in.
Hope they're happy.
We've played much better with him in the team, first 30 mins today we were excellent and the game should have been over by half time - not any of our keepers fault that JBL missed a sitter or Forfana can't score again from within the 6 yard box with an empty goal. Dreadful mistakes every last one of them and all costly.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:00 pm
by Middle-agedClaret
As ever - there is no thread on UTC without the potential to end in sniping and bickering…
IMHO, of course.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:59 pm
by gandhisflipflop
Wilson Odobert is the laziest player I have seen in a Burnley shirt for quite a while
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:03 pm
by boatshed bill
Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:50 pm
Please add weird team selection and tactics including substitutions which have all been a huge contributing factor.
Weird selections that have had us in with a very good chance of winning the last 6 games?
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:06 pm
by Murger
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:59 pm
Wilson Odobert is the laziest player I have seen in a Burnley shirt for quite a while
When he pussy footed out of a challenge, that really wound me up. I cannot stand that sort of cowardice.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:09 pm
by gandhisflipflop
Murger wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:06 pm
When he pussy footed out of a challenge really wound me up. I cannot stand that sort of cowardice.
There was a point in the first half where Brighton were attacking down our right side, a 2v1 in favour of Brighton which left Assignon with an impossible task. Their player cut inside and fired a shot on target. Where was odobert? 30 yards away strolling back. It isn’t good enough and it’s not a one off either. Palace away he was ******* useless.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:13 pm
by Dark Cloud
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:03 pm
Weird selections that have had us in with a very good chance of winning the last 6 games?
And we ultimately won.....?
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:52 pm
by scouseclaret
Terrier wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:42 pm
Why we are going down.
Individual errors
Missing easy chances
Good build up that comes to nothing once we get near their goal!
Not shooting when presented with openings.
All true, but you missed out shocking refereeing decisions potentially costing us points…
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:22 pm
by alwaysaclaret
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:47 pm
Yet the experts on here wanted him in.
Hope they're happy.
Unfortunately still the best keeper at the club.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:27 pm
by alwaysaclaret
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:59 pm
Wilson Odobert is the laziest player I have seen in a Burnley shirt for quite a while
Tresor ? Was trotting up and down yesterday like he couldn't care less.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:48 pm
by Poulton-le-Claret
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:59 pm
Wilson Odobert is the laziest player I have seen in a Burnley shirt for quite a while
Amdouni is worse for me on that front and probably Tresor.
Odobert is mainly doing my head in with bottling tackles. He is playing like someone who wants out in the summer and doesn't want to get injured between now and the of the season.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:09 pm
by gandhisflipflop
alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:27 pm
Tresor ? Was trotting up and down yesterday like he couldn't care less.
He wasn’t on for long enough to pass judgement but he has certainly done himself no favours this season in previous games
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:25 pm
by Enola Gay
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:52 pm
Show me a mistake from Trafford that was worse than the ones Muric has made in the last two games please!
Stuck in no-man's-land against Bournemouth and Fulham allowing himself to be easily lobbed, nailed to his line away at Arsenal allowing a goal from a corner, his attempt at coming for a corner at Liverpool costing us another.
And that's just the ones that came to mind reading this thread.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:38 pm
by Ric_C
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:47 pm
Yet the experts on here wanted him in.
Hope they're happy.
hate stuff like this tbh
We've lost 1 in 5 with him in the team btw, so "ya boo sucks" (blows raspberry)
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:49 pm
by ClaretPope
The thing that annoyed me the most (apart from their goal) was the comparison between the ball control of their forwards when the ball was played to feet and ours who, more often than not, gave away possession. In the paraphrased words of George Best: “they can trap it further than I can kick it”.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:01 pm
by fidelcastro
Enola Gay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:25 pm
Stuck in no-man's-land against Bournemouth and Fulham allowing himself to be easily lobbed, nailed to his line away at Arsenal allowing a goal from a corner, his attempt at coming for a corner at Liverpool costing us another.
And that's just the ones that came to mind reading this thread.
And none of the mistakes you highlight were as embarrassing as the one by Muric yesterday.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:02 pm
by fidelcastro
Ric_C wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:38 pm
hate stuff like this tbh
We've lost 1 in 5 with him in the team btw, so "ya boo sucks" (blows raspberry)
And it could well have been much better than that without him.
We'll never know.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:06 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:02 pm
And it could well have been much better than that without him.
We'll never know.
We certainly know what the results would have continued to be with Trafford in the team.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:24 pm
by strayclaret
We should rename ourselves as Cock Up City
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:36 pm
by fidelcastro
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:06 pm
We certainly know what the results would have continued to be with Trafford in the team.
You must lend me that crystal ball.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:54 pm
by Enola Gay
Opinions vary.
They all ended up in goals conceded.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:43 pm
by Terrier
Here we go again!
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:44 pm
by CoolClaret
The mistakes at the back is on the manager.
Play with fire you get burnt. A little bit more 'pragmatism' and we'd be in a much better spot.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:45 pm
by Terrier
Here we go again!
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:08 pm
by Guller Bull
All there why we are staying up!
This last 6/7 games have been great to watch.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:09 pm
by Murger
If we had strikers who could finish, that would be 3 points.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:15 pm
by AlargeClaret
The sheer tactical naivety of VK is almost staggering . To try and take on Utd in an open attacking “ cup style “ match was a huge gamble . We made endless mistakes , got v lucky on occasion , and committing 10 men forward was nigh on suicidal . A touch os SD pragmatism would go a long long way .
That said ,apart from poor finishing we gave a v poor UTD a decent game . Onana put some great saves in too, though if he hadn’t been an idiot they’d have likely won .
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:23 pm
by SouthamptonClaret
We had 53% possession,
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:24 pm
by SouthamptonClaret
We had 53% possession, 7 shots on target and came away from Old Trafford with a point. I think VK got something right. An SD 10 men behind the ball bore fest with our current squad would have seen us very heavily beaten. Only in my opinion of course
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:26 pm
by agreenwood
******* itching to pile on some folk.
Good point. Good performance.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:28 pm
by Swizzlestick
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:47 pm
Yet the experts on here wanted him in.
Hope they're happy.
Yes, very.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:29 pm
by CoolClaret
SouthamptonClaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:24 pm
We had 53% possession, 7 shots on target and came away from Old Trafford with a point. I think VK got something right. An SD 10 men behind the ball bore fest with our current squad would have seen us very heavily beaten. Only in my opinion of course
I agree with this tbh.
Maybe on hindsight it'd be better playing with the extra midfielder and then bringing one of Fofana/Foster on to play two up top together, but I fully understand why VK did that with United's make shift back line.
Re: All there in one match.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:23 pm
by Juan Tanamera
Me too.
Should we form our very own happy clappy club?
I quite enjoyed the courage Vinny showed in taking on Manyoo toe to toe, I thought it made for a game that had a bit of everything and I won't need to trim my finger nails for another week.
Glass almost full.
