According to my FB memories.

From a steady Eddie to a roller coaster is probably an understatement.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:29 am

According to my FB memories.

From a steady Eddie to a roller coaster is probably an understatement.

Have you missed him?

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:39 am

Have you missed him?

Certain bits yeah.

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:39 am

Have you missed him?

I think more than anything I’ve missed the identity that we had with the (Dyche) players, somehow you knew what you’d get from each of them, good or bad. Somehow I felt that I knew them. Unfortunately with the current crop apart from a just a few of them they still feel like strangers. I think what I’m trying to say is that I’ve missed that togetherness that Dyche instilled.

beddie wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:07 pm

I think what I’m trying to say is that I’ve missed that togetherness that Dyche instilled.

Yep, me too.
And we certainly wouldn't be debating on other threads
about players fitness, or lack of it.

I’m not sure I miss his last 18 months, which seem to have been wiped from various memories whenever the current situation is compared to this season.

I’m also not sure how “together” the team was towards the end. Ben Mee certainly alluded to some unhappiness in those final seasons in more than one interview.

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:10 pm

Yep, me too.
And we certainly wouldn't be debating on other threads
about players fitness, or lack of it.

Which thread is the fitness debate on?

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:21 pm

Which thread is the fitness debate on?

The Obafemi thread.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:21 pm

Which thread is the fitness debate on?

Obafemi thread
Foster thread
And funnily enough the "Fitness" thread

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:21 pm

Which thread is the fitness debate on?

viewtopic.php?style=2&f=2&t=75357

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:29 pm

Obafemi thread
Foster thread
And funnily enough the "Fitness" thread

Well covered then

I was going to say I’ll check them out but likely don’t need to read them to know what they’ll say.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:32 pm

Well covered then

I was going to say I’ll check them out but likely don’t need to read them to know what they’ll say.

Exactly

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:21 pm

I’m not sure I miss his last 18 months, which seem to have been wiped from various memories whenever the current situation is compared to this season.

I’m also not sure how “together” the team was towards the end. Ben Mee certainly alluded to some unhappiness in those final seasons in more than one interview.

Can’t edit, but should have read..

“… whenever the current situation is compared to his tenure”.

I haven’t missed him. That Everton game last week was a typical Dyche type of game. I haven’t enjoyed this season either but I’m still confident of long term success playing a more possession based game

Dyche’s side was steadily improving through potentially to 2020 but then it stalled due to lack of investment in the squad.


We stopped picking up home wins and that was crucial to us. The game after we won at Liverpool we beat Aston Villa 3-2 at home. Since that game we’ve won just 8 out of 48 home games in the Premier League.

That last season and a half under Dyche was tough but I want my team to be winning games and two home games this season is just not acceptable.

Depends if you like gambling or not - the excitement is higher with VK but Dyche’s pragmatism is the far safer bet

LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:27 pm

Depends if you like gambling or not - the excitement is higher with VK but Dyche’s pragmatism is the far safer bet

Looks like we lost.
And I have to say I haven't seen much excitement
this season, last season then fair enough.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:23 pm

Dyche’s side was steadily improving through potentially to 2020 but then it stalled due to lack of investment in the squad.


We stopped picking up home wins and that was crucial to us. The game after we won at Liverpool we beat Aston Villa 3-2 at home. Since that game we’ve won just 8 out of 48 home games in the Premier League.

That last season and a half under Dyche was tough but I want my team to be winning games and two home games this season is just not acceptable.

I'd have liked it if Dyche had been able to stay (meaning perhaps that our new board could have recognised the short comings because of the lack of investment) and then given the resources that VK has had to improve the team. It would have been interesting to see what he really could have done with better quality players. The evidence is that he would do well.

Hipper wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:39 pm

I'd have liked it if Dyche had been able to stay (meaning perhaps that our new board could have recognised the short comings because of the lack of investment) and then given the resources that VK has had to improve the team. It would have been interesting to see what he really could have done with better quality players. The evidence is that he would do well.

The resource that VK had was having to sell pretty much all of the best players we had under Dyche plus losing two key players for nothing and then replacing them plus some of the other aging players at half the cost.

Dyche could have sold on players like Mee, Collins, Tarkowski, McNiel etc and rebuilt the team himself but he didn't choose not to probably because he knew how hard it would be to try and replace them with younger cheaper unproven players like VK had to do.

I reckon if VK had Pope, Collins, Mee, Tarks, McNeil and Cornet this season we would be doing a lot better than we did two years ago.

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:10 pm

Yep, me too.
And we certainly wouldn't be debating on other threads
about players fitness, or lack of it.

Indeed and being played out of position.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:52 pm

The resource that VK had was having to sell pretty much all of the best players we had under Dyche plus losing two key players for nothing and then replacing them plus some of the other aging players at half the cost.

Dyche could have sold on players like Mee, Collins, Tarkowski, McNiel etc and rebuilt the team himself but he didn't choose not to probably because he knew how hard it would be to try and replace them with younger cheaper unproven players like VK had to do.

I reckon if VK had Pope, Collins, Mee, Tarks, McNeil and Cornet this season we would be doing a lot better than we did two years ago.

Two of (several) problems two years ago were
1. That Ben Mee got injured v Leicester.

2. Wood left mid season.

I was at the Norwich game, his last stand. It was pretty shocking and did have an end of an era feel to it. But as above, the squad had been starved of investment and stagnated for 2 years, you can't do that in the Prem.

Hard to call how good / bad a decision it was, as two years on we find ourselves in the same spot as we were then. Last season was hugely enjoyable, but against that, I probably fear for next season more than I would if Dyche was in charge. Could well be wrong about that, just a feeling.

As brilliant a manager as he was for us last season was immense, I don't miss him at all.

I have mixed feelings about Dyche. I remember that in the COVID period he had hardly any players he went to Palace with Kevin Long, two keepers and 4 kids on the bench, and won 1 - 0! It was from around about that point on things seemed to grow gradually worse with minimal investment so that Oligarlick and John Banditkiewicz could trouser their millions.

Personally I had no problem with his style of football, he got us 54 points twice, but I don't go to football to be "entertained".

On the other hand we were heading for the rocks when he was fired and even Michael Jackson got 11 points from 8 games so he wasn't getting a tune out of the old band of brothers three of whom went straight into retirement.

We had our best season ever at championship level last season and have followed it up with a struggle but (to me at least) a season where we are improving whilst playing a possession based style. I watched us at Everton and preferred to watch a team using possession than one waiting for mistakes from the opponent and having a sole reliance on set plays.

Dyche was magnificent for Burnley FC of that there is no doubt but nearly a decade was the right tenure and, as others have suggested, it was not all rosy in the kitchen in terms of team spirit at the end. I haven’t missed him at all.

I was at Norwich. As bad as we’ve been this season that performance was utterly disgraceful

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:17 pm

I was at Norwich. As bad as we’ve been this season that performance was utterly disgraceful

I was also there and i benchmark that against future performances and I agree with your assessment. We haven’t come close to being as disgraceful as we was on that day

There was a marked downturn with the departure of Tony Loughran and replacing him with Steve Stone.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:32 pm

I was also there and i benchmark that against future performances and I agree with your assessment. We haven’t come close to being as disgraceful as we was on that day

The players didn’t care, no running, no pressing, no energy which is a prerequisite for a dyche team. He’d lost that dressing room months before and that little bully who’s name I won’t mention who was on the coaching staff didn’t seem to help matters

blatherwickstattoos wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:40 pm

The players didn’t care, no running, no pressing, no energy which is a prerequisite for a dyche team. He’d lost that dressing room months before and that little bully who’s name I won’t mention who was on the coaching staff didn’t seem to help matters

Stone you mean yea a truly horrible human being.

beddie wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:07 pm

I think more than anything I’ve missed the identity that we had with the (Dyche) players, somehow you knew what you’d get from each of them, good or bad. Somehow I felt that I knew them. Unfortunately with the current crop apart from a just a few of them they still feel like strangers. I think what I’m trying to say is that I’ve missed that togetherness that Dyche instilled.

Probably the best post I've seen on here and the closest to echoing my own feelings. This season has been the closest I've felt to falling out of love with football.

Dyche...the best Burnley manager in living memory. Consistently delivered in the PL until the owner of the time started to lose interest.
Absolutely amazing last season in the Championship but our current manager has been seriously caught out this last season.
I gather many Everton fans aren't very happy with Dyches management but for a club who have their own serious problems, he's doing ok for them.

I think we were playing pretty well under Dyche when he went and that was overshadowed by a poor Noriwch performance, which we still should have taken a point from
The Everton game before it was fantastic, we also played well at home v Utd, Liverpool, Spurs and Brighton before he went.
I still think it was strange timing. The dreadful run had been prior to Christmas.

Goliath wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:58 pm

I think we were playing pretty well under Dyche when he went and that was overshadowed by a poor Noriwch performance, which we still should have taken a point from
The Everton game before it was fantastic, we also played well at home v Utd, Liverpool, Spurs and Brighton before he went.
I still think it was strange timing. The dreadful run had been prior to Christmas.

Our good run that season coincided with Cork coming into the team. Dyche then decided to drop him to get Westwood back in and we stunk again.

Should have moved on sooner, bad decision to stay after his obvious attitude towards the chairman

Will never forget what he did for us and the good times that brought. I never really did like listening to him talk though, got on my nerves. Not too fussed what happens with him now he has left the club.

Has he got the bullet yet,I wonder if the Everton fans will miss him?

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:13 pm

Should have moved on sooner, bad decision to stay after his obvious attitude towards the chairman

Was never aware of any issue with the chairman. I was always quite surprised at how well they seemed to get on.

Would anyone have missed him if we had or have stayed up this season?

Goliath wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:42 pm

Was never aware of any issue with the chairman. I was always quite surprised at how well they seemed to get on.

There were widespread reports of a serious breakdown in relations as 2020 wore on. He was openly critical about the lack of progress re player contracts (and no doubt critical behind the scenes re lack of investment which as we now know was to keep the balance sheet healthy).

EDIT - duplicate

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:06 pm

There were widespread reports of a serious breakdown in relations as 2020 wore on. He was openly critical about the lack of progress re player contracts (and no doubt critical behind the scenes re lack of investment which as we now know was to keep the balance sheet healthy).

Ah sorry thought you meant the new chairman

Goliath wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:28 pm

Ah sorry thought you meant the new chairman

Yeah i think Bill was referring to Garlick. He got on well with Pace, who is quite personable and no doubt the brand new contract helped.

we are debating the status of millionaires, dyche worked for us and was successful. I thought he was great, he didn't have much money, and he still doesnt at everton. to work with. its never a fair point to put managers like him up against the billionaires owners at the giant clubs. VK is in same category. great player with a philosophy that will work again, but trying to implement his plans on a shoestring budget.

I'd be interested to know how many PL games he's won in his last 120 matches

Turgid football barely creating a chance
Struggling to beat a team in the bottom 3
Jobs for his bezzie mate
Old dour pros trusted over anyone else
Scraping through by the skin of his teeth

That’s not Dyche with us by the way that’s Dyche with Everton!

Anyone that thinks it would have been different had he been given some cash is hallucinating. He would have bought more solid old pros

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:23 pm

Dyche’s side was steadily improving through potentially to 2020 but then it stalled due to lack of investment in the squad.


We stopped picking up home wins and that was crucial to us. The game after we won at Liverpool we beat Aston Villa 3-2 at home. Since that game we’ve won just 8 out of 48 home games in the Premier League.

That last season and a half under Dyche was tough but I want my team to be winning games and two home games this season is just not acceptable.

It's a question of what Dyche would have done with the investment. More experienced UK or Irish players a vast majority having zero resale value, or the new model. It's fairly obvious he didn't want the players coming into the club in that final season when the investment went in, so pointless to continue with him.

Is Branthwaite a dour old pro now at 21?

Is McNeill a dour old pro at 24? Mykolenko at 24? Beto at 26? Garner at 23? Onana at 22?

I mean, there’s loads you can dislike about Dyche’s approach….. but bringing the balance makes your points a bit more valid.

CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:24 am

Turgid football barely creating a chance
Struggling to beat a team in the bottom 3
Jobs for his bezzie mate
Old dour pros trusted over anyone else
Scraping through by the skin of his teeth

That’s not Dyche with us by the way that’s Dyche with Everton!

Anyone that thinks it would have been different had he been given some cash is hallucinating. He would have bought more solid old pros

Probably one of the most bizzare posts I’ve read on here.
Were you on Crystal Meth when you wrote it ? While I don’t watch Everton play , the club itself has been a terrible basket case in recent years and they’ve given nothing to Dyche but shed more assets . As for “ solid old pros “ ?? I think Wayne Rooney is your man .

That he’s keeping them above the relegation zone even after points deductions is quite a feat all things said . He was brought in exactly for one purpose to keep them in the prem this season . I’d imagine he’ll be potted regardless as the new stadium is only another full season off .

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:23 am

It's a question of what Dyche would have done with the investment. More experienced UK or Irish players a vast majority having zero resale value, or the new model. It's fairly obvious he didn't want the players coming into the club in that final season when the investment went in, so pointless to continue with him.

Couldn't agree more, by then he'd become a head coach with the owners bringing in players (I was told from a list Mike Rigg had left). It was pointless but they then gave him a new five year deal.