Going at end of the season West Ham have confirmed, did a decent job there ..

This is a bolt from the blue.

If VK walks this is someone imo we should seriously consider

Rice was a huge loss for them, yet Moyes has still had them close to the European spots. A very good manager who I think they'll miss, like last time.

Julen Lopetegui going in at West Ham

David Moyes is a decent guy with huge experience-and one for Pace to have up his sleeve. He lives in the north west too. The way the PL is going, not that many clubs would I think take a punt on him, but I think managing BFC might well appeal to him

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 1:26 pm

David Moyes is a decent guy with huge experience-and one for Pace to have up his sleeve. He lives in the north west too. The way the PL is going, not that many clubs would I think take a punt on him, but I think managing BFC might well appeal to him

I can’t imagine Pace would be remotely interested in appointing someone like Moyes

Sign him up this afternoon.

Unfortunately, I highly doubt our financial situation would allow such a move. Unless Brighton really do want our manager.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 1:15 pm

Julen Lopetegui going in at West Ham

Through his toys out of the pram and walked away from
Wolves after being denied significant funds to spend on transfers, claiming the players in situ weren’t good enough to survive a PL campaign.
Gary O’Neil has proved what a terrific manager he is by steering Wolves to PL safety despite losing key players for significant periods of the season due to injury.

A lot of West Ham fans are incredibly deluded! What a brilliant job he’s doing there.

West Ham fans have been unhappy for a while- Victim of his own success to some extent. Good manager is Moyes and did a good job with them, he'll get another job easy enough.

He's done a great job at West Ham and is a brilliant manager. He hasn't managed in the Championship since 2002 and any suggestion of us getting him is ridiculous.

boyyanno wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 1:36 pm

Good manager is Moyes

Paid the price for a while because of Man U and then taking Sunderland down. But before Man U and since Sunderland he’s been excellent.

Think West Ham will be in a relegation battle next season

Ric_C wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:03 pm

Think West Ham will be in a relegation battle next season

Quite possible-this reminds me of when Charlton wanted Curbishley out after he had taken them to a top 7 in the PL. Look at them now

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 1:15 pm

Julen Lopetegui going in at West Ham

Best of luck to him, I think he’ll need it, especially if he doesn’t play “The West Ham Way”.

beddie wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:07 pm

Best of luck to him, I think he’ll need it, especially if he doesn’t play “The West Ham Way”.

He doesn't, he's quite pragmatic tbh.

Ask Spurs fans what they think of the all out offensive style being served up by Postagoglu*

*spelling probably wrong?

An appointment like that would be the end for me, the youngsters of management & players has been a breath of fresh air after the Dyche years & I liked Dyche but play & ideas had gone very stale.

There would be romance in the game if he went back to North End and got them in the Premier League

Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:17 pm

An appointment like that would be the end for me, the youngsters of management & players has been a breath of fresh air after the Dyche years & I liked Dyche but play & ideas had gone very stale.

Only went stale under Dyche because he wasn't given funds to refresh the squad. Do you really think this is a breath of fresh air compared to 2018-2020 under Dyche? I certainly don't.

Moyes is an extremely talented manager but a certain style of footballer is needed to implement his tactics, as mentioned losing Rice was massive.

Why was losing Rice 'massive'?

They've done okay this season.

All the in-laws are Hammers season ticket holders, they fully acknowledge the success they've had. They just can't stand the style of football.

SonofPog wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:35 pm

All the in-laws are Hammers season ticket holders, they fully acknowledge the success they've had. They just can't stand the style of football.

Yes we know that.

equinox wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:38 pm

Yes we know that.

But did i know that you knew that?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 1:42 pm

Paid the price for a while because of Man U and then taking Sunderland down. But before Man U and since Sunderland he’s been excellent.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. His OT record/ per game was same ballpark as Mourinho and Van Gaal.

My Nephew is a Hammers season ticket holder and he feels he's done a great job there with what he had to spend, but like he said manager like players move on but fans don't..

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 1:10 pm

If VK walks this is someone imo we should seriously consider

It's really not.

SonofPog wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:35 pm

All the in-laws are Hammers season ticket holders, they fully acknowledge the success they've had. They just can't stand the style of football.

EVERY club that plays in the "Proper way" but ends up in trouble fully deserve all the problems that come their way.

Seems many fans would rather see the ball played out from the back, but get nowhere, rather than win a European competition.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 1:28 pm

I can’t imagine Pace would be remotely interested in appointing someone like Moyes

I bet there are quite a few expirenced directors out there who are actively contacting him as we speak.

Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:17 pm

An appointment like that would be the end for me, the youngsters of management & players has been a breath of fresh air after the Dyche years & I liked Dyche but play & ideas had gone very stale.

Was this season better than any of those Prem seasons under Dyche ?

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 4:32 pm

Was this season better than any of those Prem seasons under Dyche ?

I look forward to Stockbroker belt's answer to that!

Nonayforever wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 4:23 pm

I bet there are quite a few expirenced directors out there who are actively contacting him as we speak.

"Experienced"

Something which our Manager and Board sadly lacked in the summer, based on this season

And will be interesting to see how they decide how to progress next summer given yet another overstaffed and unbalanced squad that we will end up with at the end of the season after OOC's and loanees go/return

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 4:32 pm

Was this season better than any of those Prem seasons under Dyche ?

And you persistently slagged Dyche off as well.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:41 pm

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. His OT record/ per game was same ballpark as Mourinho and Van Gaal.

In fairness to Mourinho and Van Gaal, neither of them inherited the PL Champions.

Unfortunately for Moyes, his appointment at Man U was similar to that of us appointing Laws with playing staff questioning exactly what he’d done to warrant getting the job.

Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:17 pm

An appointment like that would be the end for me, the youngsters of management & players has been a breath of fresh air after the Dyche years & I liked Dyche but play & ideas had gone very stale.

Perhaps it was that breath of fresh air that blew away more than half the crowd before the final whistle on Saturday?

Good bloke and cracking manager

The West Ham Way. Just what was it and when was it last spotted? As elusive and ephemeral as a bubble.

equinox wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 1:01 pm

This is a bolt from the blue.

You mean Claret and Blue

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 1:28 pm

I can’t imagine Pace would be remotely interested in appointing someone like Moyes

You are probably right.

A man who built a very decent PNE side. Went in to build a strong Everyon sidr. Was chosen by Sir Alex F to take over from him at MU. Twice made WHU a decent prem club with stability.

Not Mr Ps style that. New team every season, with every other team given a 10 game start, just for a few quid and some variety.

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 7:14 pm

Perhaps it was that breath of fresh air that blew away more than half the crowd before the final whistle on Saturday?

I was thinking the breath of fresh air that increased season ticket sales & average attendance in the championship than the prem.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:26 pm

Only went stale under Dyche because he wasn't given funds to refresh the squad. Do you really think this is a breath of fresh air compared to 2018-2020 under Dyche? I certainly don't.

Hasn't dyche openly admitted in a recent interview that he would never have been happy or taken the opportunity of spending the millions that's been given to kompany. I always felt dyche was master of he's own downfall because of it, it was well documented in the early years that he was always more than just a football manager right from the start, always had a big say in the finances, so I could never weigh up, did he want the money to strengthen or didn't he. Although the rumour is that he was tapped up by Everton and that's why he was sacked, I always wondered if the real argument was how much there was in the kitty and did that go a long way re difference in vision between him and the new owners and eventually behind him being ousted. However, I agree this is not a breath of fresh air imo, lots thought it had become stale at the end under dyche, and some sort of change was needed, but not for the sort of season we've had, question is where from here. We could clearly do worse than moyes imo, but as already been said, doubt we could afford the transition.

alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑

Tue May 07, 2024 11:55 am

Hasn't dyche openly admitted in a recent interview that he would never have been happy or taken the opportunity of spending the millions that's been given to kompany. I always felt dyche was master of he's own downfall because of it, it was well documented in the early years that he was always more than just a football manager right from the start, always had a big say in the finances, so I could never weigh up, did he want the money to strengthen or didn't he. Although the rumour is that he was tapped up by Everton and that's why he was sacked, I always wondered if the real argument was how much there was in the kitty and did that go a long way re difference in vision between him and the new owners and eventually behind him being ousted. However, I agree this is not a breath of fresh air imo, lots thought it had become stale at the end under dyche, and some sort of change was needed, but not for the sort of season we've had, question is where from here. We could clearly do worse than moyes imo, but as already been said, doubt we could afford the transition.

There are some inaccuracies in there. I don't believe Dyche would ever comment on Kompany's spending, it's not the sort of thing he'd do. And he very definitely didn't have a big say in the finances. Tapped up by Everton? If so, very strange that he was out of work for over nine months having been sacked by Burnley.

Yes, it had become stale. He wasn't able to refresh his squad and he was forced to continue playing players who might well have lost their places had he been able to bring in new players.

I've been on the Turf for all 18 home games this season. Seen us win twice, concede goals for fun with some of the most naive football I've ever seen us play with no suggestion that it is going to improve based on that tactical shambles last Saturday. It's a bad smell, not fresh air.

Yes, I'd take Moyes tomorrow.

equinox wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:32 pm

Why was losing Rice 'massive'?

They've done okay this season.

Only us, Luton and Sheffield United have conceded more than West Ham this season. He attributes much of that to losing Rice, who sat in front of the defence and minimised the number of balls that got through. Rice has been one of the bets midfielders in the Premier League this season, any side would miss him.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue May 07, 2024 12:11 pm

There are some inaccuracies in there. I don't believe Dyche would ever comment on Kompany's spending, it's not the sort of thing he'd do. And he very definitely didn't have a big say in the finances. Tapped up by Everton? If so, very strange that he was out of work for over nine months having been sacked by Burnley.

Yes, it had become stale. He wasn't able to refresh his squad and he was forced to continue playing players who might well have lost their places had he been able to bring in new players.

I've been on the Turf for all 18 home games this season. Seen us win twice, concede goals for fun with some of the most naive football I've ever seen us play with no suggestion that it is going to improve based on that tactical shambles last Saturday. It's a bad smell, not fresh air.

Yes, I'd take Moyes tomorrow.

I watched the interview, and he most definitely pointed out that he would never have accepted the amount of money kompanys been given, I didn't take it to be a comment on kompanys spending, more a view of what we as a club could afford which is my thinking towards the other point I've made re he's inclusion on the financial matters within the club, a couple of years after he's appointment there was a lengthy article in the daily mail regarding it, stating he was much more than just a football manager, and had a hand on the purse strings regarding transfers.

As I said the tapping up by Everton is a rumour, but I always think no smoke without fire, and in terms of being out of work for 9 months, maybe that was something to do with he's payoff so to speak, re he's contract, I'd guess there was some wrangling about it.

Totally agree, I've also seen all 18 games on the turf, and the biggest worry for me as I've said on another thread, I don't see kompany has learnt anything, other than the fact that the Premier league has moved on a damn sight since he played in it. Based on that, think I'd take moyes right now as well.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2024 2:26 pm

Only went stale under Dyche because he wasn't given funds to refresh the squad. Do you really think this is a breath of fresh air compared to 2018-2020 under Dyche? I certainly don't.

This was a significant factor - that is not in doubt - but, there are other ways to freshen things up and that involves changing/adding to the coaches etc - It was no coincidence that the worst of it came when Tony Loughlan was no longer around.

It is not talked about now but the introduction of Mike Rigg as Technical Director, which initially appeared to be a positive idea in the general development in the club, marked a point in which the relationship between Dyche and Garlick/the board started to fragment. I remember one poster was hugely against Rigg from the off and gave detailed reasons why - I haven't seen him post for quite some time. There were a handful of others of a similar view.

Interestingly there was initial speculation that Mark Warburton would be given the role, which caused quite a number on here to worry that he was too close to Sean Dyche. There was also the view that Dyche was very restrictive in his targets, the hope of the appointment of the Technical Director was to expand that target pool. Once appointed it was understandable, though apparently unfortunate, that the incumbent was given their head on a number of recruitment targets.

This is not a criticism of anyone, I may also be guilty of it - It is always interesting to see how things evolve, then who different people apply hindsight and change the narrative to suit memories/recollections that may differ.

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Tue May 07, 2024 1:11 pm

This was a significant factor - that is not in doubt - but, there are other ways to freshen things up and that involves changing/adding to the coaches etc - It was no coincidence that the worst of it came when Tony Loughlan was no longer around.

It is not talked about now but the introduction of Mike Rigg as Technical Director, which initially appeared to be a positive idea in the general development in the club, marked a point in which the relationship between Dyche and Garlick/the board started to fragment. I remember one poster was hugely against Rigg from the off and gave detailed reasons why - I haven't seen him post for quite some time. There were a handful of others of a similar view.

Interestingly there was initial speculation that Mark Warburton would be given the role, which caused quite a number on here to worry that he was too close to Sean Dyche. There was also the view that Dyche was very restrictive in his targets, the hope of the appointment of the Technical Director was to expand that target pool. Once appointed it was understandable, though apparently unfortunate, that the incumbent was given their head on a number of recruitment targets.

This is not a criticism of anyone, I may also be guilty of it - It is always interesting to see how things evolve, then who different people apply hindsight and change the narrative to suit memories/recollections that may differ.

just for clarity I know Mike Rigg appeared after the ill-fated summer of 2018

Not in a million years would our current owners employ someone like Moyes who is more akin to Dyche. Nor would I want someone like Moyes at Burnley given you could argue that his failure at Sunderland is the most similar job to the Burnley one. The main issue is style of football and age of squad.

We can all compare the current situation to the very best of the Dyche era which as great as it was, took 4 years and a relegation to achieve playing a very different style with vastly more experienced players. Let’s perhaps give our young team a chance to improve rather than quickly start looking back to our limited risk non possession based football past. Personally I’d prefer to watch a team trying to win than trying not to lose.

Folk may not like Dyche ball which IMO was very much overhyped. Look at Dyche ball when we had Defour in the squad. SD played to our strengths and IMO it fell apart because he wasnt given the funds to strengthen. Nine and a bit seasons in charge and 7 saw us in the top flight finished 7th once with 54pts and 10th with 54pts.We never played as badly and as consistently under SD as we have this season. I know if wont happen but you can bet if he took over this squad we would stop shipping goals PDQ. EH and his team shipped goals for fun which SD stopped almost from day one of his arrival.
VK managed to build a squad that ran wild in the Championship then largely demolished it. Three players started on Saturday who were in the squad at the start of last season and the keeper has only played 8 times!!!!!
The idea amongst some posters that we will walk the Championship next season has as much credibility as the predictions that VK would have us survive in this league this season. Well as CT posted the trap door is wide open now and I expect the fall to be done by half time at WHL. I REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG